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The  news regarding this Bird Flu all over is certainly worrying . It is being said that this bird virus is mutating in such a way that now humans who come in contact with it are getting it, but later the virus may mutate in such a way as to transmit from person to person.

Look at this BBC news : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3422839.stm

A case in Thailand indicated the probable transmission of the virus from a girl who had the disease to her mother, who also died.
In 2004, two sisters died in Vietnam after possibly contracting bird flu from their brother who had died from an unidentified respiratory illness.

Four different influenza antiviral drugs (amantadine, rimantadine, oseltamivir, and zanamivir) are approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the treatment and/or prophylaxis of influenza.
According to this http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8002742/, under treatment, they have written :
"The virus appears to be resistant to two older generic flu drugs, amantadine and rimantadine. However, the newer flu drugs Tamiflu(oseltamivir) and Relenza are expected to work – though supplies could run out quickly if an outbreak occurs."

But how far all this is true, only time can tell ...

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For an interesting perspective, see Stuart's latest article
http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_ … ndemic.htm

If I understand him correctly, he thinks what will actually be infecting people on a large scale is not the bird flu virus but something else being passed off as a mutation of that virus. Makes sense, and very easy to do through intentionally tainted vaccines.

(for kicks I asked my pendulum once when the supposed bird flu would show up in the US and got December as the very earliest but nothing widespread until January-March...for what it's worth).

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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I read the article. Its a very pessimistic  and cynical view that human beings themselves will bring on this pandemic.

Even if Humans are capable of great bad things and capacity for evil is quite unlimited, they wont be that foolish to bring in a mutated virus which can attack and kill anyone indiscriminately, including themselves and their near and dear ones. They would rather drop a bomb somewhere so that they themselves dont get effected.

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Prenity wrote:

I read the article. Its a very pessimistic  and cynical view that human beings themselves will bring on this pandemic.

Even if Humans are capable of great bad things and capacity for evil is quite unlimited, they wont be that foolish to bring in a mutated virus which can attack and kill anyone indiscriminately, including themselves and their near and dear ones. They would rather drop a bomb somewhere so that they themselves dont get effected.

You've never met a psychopath have you? smile  They are most certainly capable of killing others (including their 'near and dear' ones),  plus they would develop an antidote for themselves.

Never Give Up!

35 (edited by Prenity 2005-10-16 21:59:27)

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No, I have not met a psychopath smile

But I like to hold a rosier view of this world and hope such things dont happen (till they happen!).

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FLU REMEDIES:

If you *do* start to get sick despite preventative measures, here are some suggestions for consideration:

DR. SHEN'S "Zong Gan Ling" - this is a Chinese herb they sell at Whole Foods. Very pure, reputable company. I'm always super cautious about taking any kind of herb unless I know the manufacturer. This stuff is superb.

NATROL ESTER-C : Copious amounts of a good quality Vit. C will work wonders. Getting a powdered Vit. C is key. Natrol makes an awesome non-acidic C with bioflavonoids that's gentle on the tummy, so you can take 4000- 5000 *if* you are getting sick.

VEG MEDICINE: Sometimes supplements aren’t what my body needs. This "veg medicine" recipe has saved me from the flu many a time. Combine collard greens, leeks, onion, garlic (10 cloves), carrots, and parsley in a pot and cover with water. DO NOT BRING TO A BOIL, simmer for an hour or so, and drink it all day. Tastes pretty dull (I have to add salt) but this stuff'll kick some serious viral butt.

GREEN TEA: I'd suggest getting a really good quality organic green tea and drinking a couple cups a day during flu season. Green tea is a fabulous anti-bacterial.

Don't forget that it's especially important to protect yourself when you fly.  I find an echinacea/goldenseal combo (liquid) is the most effective for me... and in order to ingest large amounts of garlic, I cut the cloves into pill size pieces and swallow them like capsules.

Garlic is an amazing anti-biotic, as many of you agree.... but I've read that dried garlic does not contain the anti-viral agent that raw garlic contains. Supposedly, the element that causes garlic to smell is what contains the anti-bacterial/viral properties (?)

Here's a site called FLU-WIKI that contains some basic, practical info:
http://www.fluwikie.com/

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Two more flu remedies:

Tamiflu and Elderberry syrup

38 (edited by choice 2005-10-18 05:46:51)

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Every Australian could be vaccinated against bird flu, if a successful drug is developed.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 … 485181.htm
From the same page...

The flu drug Relenza was originally developed by the CSIRO in Australia and was produced here previously by the Pharmaceutical giant, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK). Alex Gosman, the GSK director of government and corporate affairs, says the company will restart its production of the drug in Melbourne again, with supplies to be available in time for winter next year.

but...

GSK says its decision to restart production in Australia will not necessarily increase local supplies.

I suppose they have to fill orders already placed by the WHO or other governments.

Perhaps that could be a good thing for those that choose to pursue a different course of evasion rather than vaccination. It's a very emotive issue and one not researched by most people. Ask any parent who hasn't vaccinated their kids with all the usual triple-whammy cocktails, but chosen instead to use a homeopathic prohpylactic (and then watched all the kids that have been vaccinated get sick anyway)
Also, as montalk said above re the Stuart Wilde article

If I understand him correctly, he thinks what will actually be infecting people on a large scale is not the bird flu virus but something else being passed off as a mutation of that virus. Makes sense, and very easy to do through intentionally tainted vaccines.

One of the things that I just find it very hard to do is trust either governments or big pharm to act in anyones
interest apart from ultimately their own.

Everything in what we call creation is energy resonating at different frequencies.
The universe is a song...

39 (edited by Barefoot Doc 2005-10-18 10:22:13)

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choice wrote:

Ask any parent who hasn't vaccinated their kids with all the usual triple-whammy cocktails, but chosen instead to use a homeopathic prohpylactic (and then watched all the kids that have been vaccinated get sick anyway)
Also, as montalk said above re the Stuart Wilde article

If I understand him correctly, he thinks what will actually be infecting people on a large scale is not the bird flu virus but something else being passed off as a mutation of that virus. Makes sense, and very easy to do through intentionally tainted vaccines.

One of the things that I just find it very hard to do is trust either governments or big pharm to act in anyones
interest apart from ultimately their own.

None of my kids was ever vaccinated and i used the Homeopathic prophylactics on them, its the eyes most vaccinated kids have that no one home look in their eyes after vaccinations for a while.
Some Homeopaths i have spoken with think the 2 nosode homeopathic remedies Oscillococcinum and Tuberculinun Aviaire are indicated prophylactics and treatments for avian Flu, thats assuming of course that its not a lab created disease thats going to be blamed on HN51.
It all depends on the "essence" of the pandemic, Homeopathy had a very high success rate with previous pandemics while most treated with allopathy died.


Stuart Wilde may well be right IMO they have been targeting people for years with "tainted" vaccinations especially in Africa read population control and an ever increasing numbers of old people who would be most at risk from flu pandemics.




http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/Other … c_prep.htm

http://medicinegarden.com/homeopathy/NC … 91405.html

http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies … opathy.htm

Not forgeting mega dose vitamin c treatment as a potent anti viral, use Sodium or Calcium ascorbate as bowel tolerance is easily breached with the very acidic ascorbic acid.  http://www.cforyourself.com/Conditions/ … __flu.html

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Energy wrote:

...One night, I had a dream where I was on a gameshow similar to "Wheel of Fortune."  I spun the wheel, and the announcer said..."You've won the Bejing flu."  I woke up the next morning sick as a dog.  Was out of the academic game for the next two weeks.  I don't blame the announcer though, he was just doing his job.  lol  Vanna White was nowhere to be seen in the dream... talk about a nightmare.

-Energy

That's hilarious!!  lol

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What does a bird flu hoax or pandemic  accomplish?

OCTOBER 21, 2005. I've written several articles pointing out the obvious scientific hoaxes surrounding the current bird-flu pandemic nonsense.

And I'll have more coming soon on that score.

Meanwhile, let's review WHO BENEFITS scaring the pants off everyone for no good reason.

First, the government(s) gets to put troops on the streets. Again. This continues the conditioning operation, in which private citizens become accustomed to military presence in civilian locales.

This is big. Posse Comitatus continues to erode. The military is hyped as the only institution that can really protect the population against all sorts of disasters.

Second, there is the opporunity, at some point, to declare emergencies and QUARANTINES. "Stay home. Don't go out. If you do, you'll be arrested."

Third, the government can begin to take action against any criticism of the medical authorities and their manipulations. We are now seeing a Bill working its way through Congress, and this Bill will outlaw any legal action taken against government or drug companies for injuries sustained from medical drugs or vaccines given during a state of emergency---such as an epidemic.

Fourth, there will be vaccines forced on the population, to "fend off" the epidemic. This re-enforces the practice of mandatory medical treatment.

Fifth, vaccines always contain the seeds of toxicity. I'm not just talking about mercury. There are formaldehyde, aluminum, and other chemicals in the vaccines. Many vaccines are made by passing germs through animal products, such as chicken eggs, which already contain a wide variety of other germs. And of course, the vaccines are injected directly into the body, bypassing a number of the usual immune defenses.

Vaccines, via this toxicity, and by their very nature, SUBSTITUTE for the body's own natural defense systems. In other words, the vaccines weaken the body's habit of defending itself.

With all this toxicity, the population is weakened under the paradigm of vaccines. This is obviously good for authoritarian rule. The weaker the people, the harder it is for them to think and act clearly and feel the confidence necessary to live as independent
entities.

Yes, Virginia, you can achieve all of the above goals merely by hyping a non-existent pandemic that, at the most, has klled 60 people around the world in the last several years.

Don't forget drugs given for the flu, either. Medicines like Tamiflu are toxic. They can bring on all sorts of severe adverse effects.

The massive propaganda machines of various governments and health agencies have already achieved a stunning coup. Their hammered warnings of imminent pandemic have penetrated so far into the collective consciousness, globally, that even with a sudden pronouncement of no more than 20 human bird-flu cases in a small town in the US or England, the people of those countries would agree and consent to all sorts of draconian measures.

Very few people would stop and think about the science or the politics. People would trample each other to get a flu shot. People would stay indoors. Businesses would close. Airports around the country could be shut down with barely a murmur of protest.

That's the effect of really good propaganda. You don't need case numbers that amount to anything. You don't need science. You just need official liars and the press and the government.

That's right. It DOES look a lot like the basic scenario of 1984. You don't need a real war. You only need the pretense of one.

And why would anyone want to so weaken and control a nation like the US? Because, under the rubric of globalism, every country has to be reduced and brought down to a lower level of economic and individual functioning, so that "share and care" elites can continue their moves toward the rule of the many by the few.

Look at a slice of history. Wasn't the dismal human period called the Middle Ages just the thing for the Roman Church? Didn't that authority (the few over the many) thrive in such an atmosphere? And when the Renaissance reared its head with an accompanying mercantilism---when the individual human being rose up---didn't the iron control of the Church begin to wane?

JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com

Interesting that Governments have large stock piles of the useless and toxic drug Tamiflu.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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This forum has a lot of info/links on bird flu

http://s13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED … topic=3204

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

43 (edited by PleiadianHealer 2006-03-31 18:26:06)

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This is from the Winter Solstice, Dec. 2005 edition of "The Pleiadian Times" by Barbara Marciniak, issue #52:

"2006 will prove to be a extraodinary pivital year as the end of a nearly twenty-year (1987-2012) stretch of boot camp comes to a close.   It is time to make very wise choices.   Focus your attention on recognizing the signs and symbols of change.

Coastal regions are vulnerable not only to hurricanes and tidal wave activity; they are also predisposed to the ravages of pandemic outbreaks in areas with a high population density.    All of these situaltions trigger old memories concerning issues of survival and safety. 

In the U.S., we recommend that you live at least one hundred miles inland from the coast.  Make any necessary changes now; you have the next year or so to position yourself in a place that suits your requirements.   

Trust yourself to navigate the changes that will restructure life.   If it is time to move and you feel it in your bones, pack up and go.  A restless migration has been afoot for a while now across the globe.   Even though many people do not consciously know why they are moving, they are repositioning to be in place for certain experiences.   In some areas, procuring food, water and fuel will be challenging,  and with fuel prices being manipulated, for many the cost of living will become exorbitant.   Out of necessity many people will be forced into a change of lifestyle. 

Other major issues of concern for 2006 and 2007 include a steep rise in delusional thinking accompanied by unprecedented levels of mental instability and insanity....."

44 (edited by Imhotep7 2006-03-31 17:47:14)

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Barefoot Doc, thanks for the posting by Jon Rappaport...to me, he is one of the 'trustworthy' guys and one that B. Marciniak likes.

Pleiadian Healer...that last sentence in the above post of Barb's --all I can say is Ain't It the Truth!!. ... I have a friend in Kendal (UK) who has 3 friends that have all had nervous breakdowns in the past year. Two of these friends claim to have had disturbing alien contact. 

What I am noticing is the increased anxiety levels in many of my friends and acquaintances. One, I'm afraid is heading for a breakdown ... She's into the P's...but she is ALSO into what she attempts to humorously call Vitamin P (Prozac) and relies heavily on it ... It's so easy (for me) to tell she is not willing to deal with her real feelings. Dealing is Feeling, and Feeling is Healing.
I feel anxious myself at times. Taking the homeopathic Ignatia Amara helps me. Mostly -- rather than anxiety, I have a sad feeling of alienation quite often... And to think the energy levels are going to intensify! Holy Moly. hmm

One thing that is good for warding off flu symptoms is Anas Barb (which we have a friend send from England because the states will only sell a very weak version of it) and it is quite excellent (I think! smile ) Influenzum is also good. So is going on a 3 day clear organic juice and broth fast for 3 days. This is good for rejuvenating the body. By the way, I don't trust homeopathics that are sold in drug stores or grocery stores under some kind of store name or that claim to be known brand names. Just my intuitive feelings.
Hope everyone experiences a lot of JOY this weekend!

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I've heard of using peroxide in the ears to treat or prevent a cold.  Does anyone know of any other ways to administer it?  Does anyone actually ingest it?

I agree with Barefoot Doc about Sambucol.  It works great for me.  I'm not a high stamina person, and lately I have had to work long hours.  Even though I take good care of myself, I get run down easily.  If I feel like I'm getting sick, I keep the Sambucol lozenges in my pocket and pop one whenever I think of it, and they really do work for me.

Also, my co-worker, who takes a different approach to illness than I do, went to see his doctor when he had the flu.  He was feeling pretty bad, but it was an average flu -- nothing out of the ordinary.  He said his doctor perscribed him Tamiflu, and that it helped.  I was surprised that they are prescribing it like that.  I thought they were saving it for an epidemic or something -- shows what I know.  Myself, I would avoid taking it.