Re: The Wave and 4th Density Revisited

It's bringing the subconscious into the conscious

That's exactly it.

Your additions did my post well.  Thank you.

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montalk wrote:

In high school I tried practicing the art of stopping my thoughts. Not only did I stop the internal babbler, but I erroneously suppressed everything else inside my head as well, assuming this was "meditation." Well, this screwed me up enough that when I was nervous, my mind would habitually go blank. Being in this state all the time would have made me a zombie fit for a TM cult, but I recovered.

Later I came across Michael Topper, Castaneda, Steiner, and Higher Balance Institute material that explained it was possible and necessary to stop the internal dialogue and runaway fantasies while actually heightening one's state of awareness rather than suppressing it. I think that's what you're talking about, z3n3rg. It's bringing the subconscious into the conscious rather than vice versa and sharpens rather than suppresses the mind. So hopefully everyone understands there's a difference between mindlessness and nonthinking.

Not everyone wink I have difficulties. You mentioned this a while ago – bringing the subconscious into the conscious. To me, that sounds very plausible. I wonder what I am doing while meditation, when my mind gets calm. Usually I focus my attention on the in- and outflow of the breath and “watch”  my mind. When I focus completely on the internal dialogue it immediately stops. It feels like my formerly shattered being merges into one and gets very dense. If the focus drifts away, various thoughts start to appear again. Do I pull the subconscious into the conscious then or do I restrict my thoughts and push them into the subconscious?
How do you discern between the internal babbler and other “necessary”  thoughts that pop up in the mind?

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

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It's funny.  Just recently I started getting the ultra-high frequency ringing in my ears.  I'm predominately left brain.  My right brain has been pretty much shut down most of my life.  I can now use the UHF ringing to balance my hemispheres.  I usually hear it in the right ear.  So I concentrate on hearing it in my left ear.  It goes in and out.  When I get it constant then I can work on hearing it in both ears simultaneously.  I also just started using it as a concentration device for meditation.  I just concentrate on the ringing to quiet the mind.  A warm thanks to the Aliens and Da Guv for helping me out.  You guys rock.  LoL

Is it just me?  When I'm typing, the blue bars turn yellow when it hits the background.  I mean at the end of the blue bars to the edge of the screen is yellow.  First time on last night it distracted me a few times.  I kept looking and the yellow bar extension would disappear.  It's still doing it!  Arrrrr!  I think I'm seeing the board's aura.

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heandras wrote:

I wonder what I am doing while meditation, when my mind gets calm.

Ever try forcing yourself to fall sleep? It feels like shutting off all thought and then pushing away even your own awareness and self-awareness so that you pass into unconsciousness. If successful, you get swallowed by oblivion and forget what happens next. That is the conscious sinking into the subconscious, the opposite of proper meditation because it reduces awareness. Trying to meditate this way by blanking your mind completely is like hitting the breaks without letting off the accelerator. Normal awareness is like driving in busy traffic with pot holes and speed bumps. Proper meditation is exiting onto a smooth and straight highway, shifting into high gear and cruising serenely, taking in the scenery while staying centered in your lane.

How to tell if you have lowered or raised your awareness during meditation? By the following: when you end your meditation, are you able to verbally articulate your thoughts with greater precision than normal, or do you feel too blank to talk or think and could just as well stare at a wall catatonically? The latter indicates you have forcefully suppressed rather than raised your awareness, with results similar to how psycho-tranquilizers affect the mind. What you do during meditation carries momentum well afterwards, and a stilled / clarified / sharpened awareness during leaves it so for a while afterwards. The trick is simply to be fully present in yourself and broaden the bandwidth of your attention while minimizing internal noise...thus you expand consciousness.

heandras wrote:

How do you discern between the internal babbler and other “necessary�  thoughts that pop up in the mind?

The internal babbler babbles, while necessary thoughts are necessary. Listen to your internal dialogue or internal narration and pay attention to how much of that actually needs to be internally verbalized. I don't need to say in my head "Let's go to the fridge and grab a snack" as I walk to the kitchen, yet the babbler says it anyway, and continues unless I take control of my mind and stop letting it waste my energy with all that redundancy. The babbler also likes to make me engage in circular debates with imaginary adversaries over trivial things, which according to Don Juan is a common way the predator/babbler extracts energy from you. You'll find that in most cases, the abstract, intuitive, audiovisual content can be kept and the babbling dispensed with. Like reading a book and directly seeing the scene in your mind's eye without verbalizing the words. It's a faster form of awareness.

When an epiphany comes to me, it's always as an audio-visual-intuitive "thought ball" ... then internal talking does come in handy to unravel it into linear form to express through speech or writing. So it's not the inner vocalization that is "bad", rather it is the hijacking of that faculty by a "foreign installment" that keeps the mind occupied with trivialities and annoyances all day. In conversation, you gotta stop speaking to listen. Likewise, inside you must stop babbling to receive an intuitive impression, but that does not mean shutting out all impression, it just means thinking and perceiving at a higher and more focused level. In conversation, just because silence is the key to listening doesn't mean you tell the other person "shhh, I'm trying to listen!" hahaha.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Thanks for your reply!

montalk wrote:

The trick is simply to be fully present in yourself and broaden the bandwidth of your attention while minimizing internal noise...thus you expand consciousness.

What makes me wonder is how to draw a line between the predator’s mind as a foreign instalment and “my”  mind or positive higher influences. If I shut off anything that pops up in my mind I also restrict useful thoughts - that’s obvious. But, to perceive the quality of a thought I have let it appear on the “screen”  of my mind. So I have to let every thought become manifest in my mind and it never becomes still. To sum it up: How do I minimize the noise without suppressing anything?
If the internal chatter is a foreign instalment as Castaneda suggests, then the only possibility of getting rid of it, would be through shutting it off. Except, if it was an instalment that is seating directly in our mind, not as an attachment at our mind. As an analogy: your arm shakes, if someone grabs your hand and is shaking it. Your arm could also shake if you move it unconsciously. Now, if you want your arm to be still, in the first example you must get rid of the person that is grabbing and moving it, while the second example requires paying attention and just stop moving. A bit dumb analogy, but I hope it makes clear what I’m struggling with. mad big_smile

montalk wrote:

How to tell if you have lowered or raised your awareness during meditation? By the following: when you end your meditation, are you able to verbally articulate your thoughts with greater precision than normal, or do you feel too blank to talk or think and could just as well stare at a wall catatonically?

Nice hint. I’ll keep an eye on that.

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

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This is one of the best threads yet! -- incredible posts. Really encouraging to read so many people are focusing on  positive aspects.
Montalk, I agree 100% that things don't just 'come to us' ... not without our giving Intention and Consent, consciously or unconsciously.  When people create by "default" instead of "deliberately" they seldom want to lay claim to their creation.

I agree with what you said, too, Z3N, in that it is not our 'overcoming' .. but 'becoming'. Overcoming entails resistance that tends to keep what we do not want velcro'd to us.
Capitan, I applaud your breakthrough in seeing that it is your emotional blockage that seems to be tearing you up. I promise you, you WILL survive when you allow your emotions to flow. It might be quite a wild ride but you will be OK. Please don't give the 'wall' itself too much fear and power...you are STILL the master. The P's have this saying: Dealing is Feeling, and Feeling is Healing. I'd venture to say that every Rx drug on the market is aimed at preventing us from FEELING...and therefore actually HEALING.
I have always appreciated Seth's take on emotions. He said war is the result of a feeling of __powerlessness__ ... not aggression. We have been taught to avoid negative emotions!--therein lies the actual danger.
Also, thank you, Montalk and Pleiadian Healer for the great lists.
Not everything about the New Age was Pink Fluffy...or I guess as referred to on this list as woowoo. The GOOD thing about it was that it lent itself more to FEELINGS ... We can spiritually intellectualize til the cows come home, but unless it is accompanied by feelings, its imbalanced... at least that is my experience.
Actually, looking back, I enjoy some of the goofy memories I have about the times I really got into the Pink Fluff stuff. Hey! I had FUN. I didn't go so far as to wear the flowing white gowns and have an ameythist crystal taped to my forehead (I actually saw that once! hmm ) but a lot of it was like vacationing in Disneyland after being caught up in my horrible religious experiences. (not a bad analogy if I say so myself! smile ...LOL )

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I know what you mean, Imhotep...My life has been a bit like being "Dharma" from "Dharma and Greg" as I was growing up, raised by hippie parents who enjoyed getting into everything! It was fun though. I escaped the 'religious' indoctrination. Glad I chose to NOT do that in this lifetime. smile
Peace,
Summer
PS: This is one cool thread!!