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Re: Making the Cut

I have been having problems with the whole STS/STO thing also.  It just seems so cut and dry. I have always assumed I was a decent person. I raised my kids, took care of my family. I allowed my kids to find their own spiritual path...I threw some ideas their way, but I never told them this is the only path to follow. I dont blab about my beliefs to the neighborhood, but I will elaborate if asked. Does it bother me that a lot of people around me appear to be asleep? Yes. But somehow I got the info to be on the path that Im on, so why wouldnt somebody else?  I guess what I am trying to say is that somehow things have fallen into my lap when they needed to to give me the right nudges at the right time, in what I consider to be hopefully the right direction. If other people havent picked up on their little nudges, is it my job to give them a nudge? Would that be considered STS or STO? I assume that I can only be ME and if others need to be turned to a different direction, their higher self would give them that nudge they need, not me. Im by no means Mother Theresa, but I think Ive been a good human being. I hate the thought of standing in line and having someone say, "sorry, you didnt make the cut!". Besides, who gets to make that descision?  If we have free will and choice, I guess that means WE get to make that desicion. I choose to move on, Im tired of 3d.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

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I'm a bit more centered and coherant now so i could write a bit more.

The way i see it, the whole sts/sto division is one aspect of the divide and conquer mentality that is spun by tptb. The person you are now travels with you till the end of time, so the you who is at the end of time remebers all that you wanted to be right now. And that person at the end of time can influence down "back" through time, so who you are now depends on who you wish to be as who you wish to be and all other thoughts and emotions travel with you and will be a part of you, so you in the future can look back and  think about it all. The STS and STO are nothing more than turns on a road, sometimes you turn left and sometimes you turn right, i think that right on the road has somehow been twisted to mean right in behavior as well. As if right is any more correct than left.

On second thought, i'm stil not feeling very coherant. There is far too much on my mind but i'll try to be a bit more clear on what i mean.

If supposedly only STO is good yet you are by definition living in an STS planet then it stands to reason that the universe is aware of this planet as you are and your awareness is eternal (It travels with you through other lives till you reache "the end" at which point you become timeless and thus you were aware of what you were going to do and be before you did it and through extension the universe knows everything) Then, if you exists as STS because of your desire to be STS would STO try to convert you to STO, and if so what good would it do. The whole STS STO thing to me seems like a load of bullocks. Because the very thought of a division between self and others is by definition an illusion, so how can you ever serve others at expense of yourself or serve yourself at expense of others because we are all just the same goo. It is like a star trying to argue if fusion or gravity is what makes it a star, both have to exists for the other to exists.

This world is like a radio, you are the waves, you dont change the frequency that the radio operates in, its not your job, your job is to change your own frequency and find a radio that vibrates with you so you can get your message out smile

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18 Reply by heandras (edited by heandras 2006-03-23 13:30:59)

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Re: Making the Cut

Jedi wrote:

This STS/STO thing while very effective in letting me be mindful of my actions with otherselves, is making me be negligent of myself, because when I focus more on myself, I get paranoid I'm polarizing service to self.  Sigh...

The point of the concept of STS/STO is not to label a behaviour as good or bad. Good and bad meaning here, a behaviour that is whether suggested to avoid or to be sought. The concept goes much deeper. It signifies the spiritual polarity of a conciousness-center of “the one infinite creator� , that is not so easy to switch.
I think what makes the concept quite hard to apply in everyday life is, that we simply don’t know true STO-beingness. As incarnated humans we live in an STS-REALM. Means, every being we perceive physically is a negative being (not meaning bad and ugly), and every process that is called natural is an expression of the STS-principle.
STS is the magnetic half of the Creator. Magnetic means – these beings are forced to attract and consume energy from other beings. Usually from beings that are weaker in power. That makes the STS-food-chain. Plants “eat"  minerals, animals eat plants, humans eat animals and plants, humans are eaten by…
I don’t know if there is any practical application of that knowledge in everyday life except the ability to label things. Worrying about oneself being this or that is pointless.

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

19 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2006-03-23 15:27:45)

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Re: Making the Cut

heandras wrote:

The point of the concept of STS/STO is not to label a behaviour as good or bad.

I agree.  I think that it is possible to use the terms without being judgemental.

To use your term, I think that they do suggest a "spiritual polarity" - which I think is an appropriate phrase.

20 Reply by montalk (edited by montalk 2006-03-23 16:53:46)

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A practical way of applying all this is by understanding that we have STS and STO centers within us, and what parts we obey determines what part we express and become more of.

   STS: living in service to the baser impulses - listening to ego and attachment
   STO: living in service to the nobler impulses - listening to heart and wisdom

Perhaps no act we can do here in 3D can be 100% STO... maybe even giving to someone who asks and is in need is done with a subconscious expectation of reward from providence and thus is a slight bit STS. But that's okay. The "51% STO" threshold sounds correct to me because that is the minimum for any intent/action to have an effect that increases - even if imperceptibly - the total freewill balance of all involved.

Listening to the heart sets your intent towards balance, while acting on wisdom keeps you from creating effects so imbalancing as to overwhelm the original nature of your intent. "Making the cut" has something to do with being "done with" or "tired of" third density while being sufficiently ready to enter an expanded state of being. Rejecting 3D rather than transcending 3D may not be the ticket, as it avoids the very challenges one needs to become ready.

There is a common misperception that "STO" means giving so selflessly that one becomes benign and fluffy as a bag of cotton. Not so, if being weak, cowardly, self-sacrificial towards futile ends, or disrespectful of another's chosen learning path ends up creating greater imbalance.

That is the risk of being part STS -- it puts you in direct contact with other STS, which calls for added discernment to avoid being destroyed before service is maximally fulfilled. Pure STO beings, occupying realms nonphysical, are not in forced contact with predators and are plugged into the infinite Creator energy source, thus they can give completely selflessly without burnout. But should they incarnate into our realm as Wanderers, they become vulnerable in applying compassion without discernment.

The interaction zone between STS and STO, say in the Matrix Control System, may result in some ugly manifestations of balancing. I think movies like the Chronicles of Riddick, V for Vendetta, the Matrix Trilogy, etc... attempt to show that what is necessary for balance isn't always "nice."

Nevertheless, getting up after every stumble to continue acting from the highest and truest part within us, that's about the best we can do, right?

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21 Reply by dreamosis (edited by dreamosis 2006-03-23 17:40:41)

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montalk wrote:

"Making the cut" has something to do with being "done with" or "tired of" third density while being sufficiently ready to enter an expanded state of being.

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There is a common misperception that "STO" means giving so selflessly that one becomes benign and fluffy as a bag of cotton. 

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The interaction zone between STS and STO, say in the Matrix Control System, may result in some ugly manifestations of balancing. I think movies like the Chronicles of Riddick, V for Vendetta, the Matrix Trilogy, etc... attempt to show that what is necessary for balance isn't always "nice."

I feel that Ra passed on the terms of STO/STS so that readers could add to their discernment rather than become prejudiced.  Prejudice seems the default mode of the collective mind here on Earth.  I'm tired of it.  And so I seek out ways to end the prejudices inside me.   

STO means to me, simply, "mostly altrusitic" as opposed to mostly egocentric.  And altruism is super easy to accomplish.  You don't need highfalutin psychic abilities or money to do it.  ...Clearing out prejudice is absolutely altruistic.

The thought of altruism ruffles us because it lights up a network of perfect pictures.  Our pictures of altruism become pedastalled--seem unattainable or unreal or too difficult--because we sometimes process symbols literally. 

The archetypal energy of the matyr (Jesus being the most famous) will scare the sh*t out of you when it enters your life if you're too literal with it.  Symbolically, being martyred just means dying to your old self--which everyone must do. 

Some of us will attract situations of literal martyrdom or literal Agent Smiths, but if you can pass through the trials on the inner plane you might not have to do them on the outer plane as dramatically.

I've found when it comes to spiritual awakening that people either want everything to happen like it does in movies or legends (to make them feel special), or they're scared sh*tless that that's how it'll go. 

There are all kinds of faces that STO can take.  You don't have to play the martyr (though everybody dies and is reborn); you don't have to play the super-psychic warrior; you don't have to play the guru.  Perhaps try the fool.  Or the artist.  Or, in line with Siddhartha, try playing the blue-collar boatman.

I'm tired with perfect pictures...

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Re: Making the Cut

I think most people have the wrong view of perfection. Being perfect means being You. Learning YOUR lessions. Following YOUR path.

montalk wrote:

Nevertheless, getting up after every stumble to continue acting from the highest and truest part within us, that's about the best we can do, right?

Right!  wink

23 Reply by dreamosis (edited by dreamosis 2006-03-23 20:19:02)

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One of my favorite quotes about enlightenment is: "being without anxiety about imperfection." 

A summary so far about "making the cut" (what's been written so far in my words):

*be you

*begin getting your information from WITHIN and check it against tested wisdom

*fall down six times, get up seven

*work with life's rhythms

*shift your focus from divisive concepts to unifying concepts, but learn to recognize flawed thinking

*dust off the link between you and your higher self (live according to the highest knowledge you know)

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A challenge to everybody here: pick only three daily practices that you believe would be the most helpful in matching your vibration to 4D.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

25 Reply by whywhywhy (edited by whywhywhy 2006-03-25 08:34:47)

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Re: Making the Cut

whywhywhy wrote:

You will be ready when you are ready, not one second before or after (in human terms that is).  After all what is the damm hurry? I am having fun on planet Earth.  Why not?  I will ascend whenever it happens.  Why not?

Yes I am having fun on planet Earth on this my most recent trip.  But, if I was born as a woman, say in Colombia, married to an alcoholic wife beater, 8-10 children, working the field 12 hrs+, having to go home and take care of the family while getting mistreated by my abusing husband I would be ready to leap out of that physical envelope and not ever return to it. 

Yet, I still do not understand why are we in such a hurry to evolve and arrive to the final destination.  We have already evolved, are evolving and will be evolving to that final state where all the thoughts are known.  It is all happening right at this moment!  We try to use our limited bound to this planet logic to describe in a series of steps a journey that we don’t even yet begin to comprehend.  1D to 2D, then 3D to 4D blah blah blah…………..Just enjoy the ride and do what you consider best on this of one of your many lifetimes or journeys.  That is all you can do! After all you already did it, are doing it and will do it just like a movie playing over and over and over but with subtle variations as it gets replayed.

Imagine yourself in a maze.  On your first shot you get to experience just about every dead end and corner before you arrive to the exit.  Once you finish you are recycled back to the beginning but this time you decide to stick to the wall on the left.  This journey was shorter and you missed many dead ends.  You are then recycled back to the entrance and this time you stick to the right wall in an attempt to shorten the path to the exit door.  The cycle continues until you master the maze and have experienced and seen every corner and dead end of the maze.  You are then returned to the beginning but a level above and below have been added.  Now you can not only go right & left (2D) but up & down as well (3D).  Your goal is to master this 3D maze as well.  Then you add time, more levels, elevators that can skip several levels in one shot, etc...  The permutations and possibilities are astronomical.  So stop and study every corner & every dead end and enjoy this extremely long and wonderful journey.

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whywhywhy wrote:

...I still do not understand why are we in such a hurry to evolve and arrive to the final destination.

This thread isn't about the final destination, but about life beyond Earth.  And I think you're projecting the feeling of "hurry" onto me and other posters.  I'm having fun on Earth, too; however, I'm curious about other experiences.  You don't have to hate a place to leave it.

I understand what you're saying, though.  Oddly I'm reminded of the part in the gospels where the apostles ask Jesus about the end times and he says: (paraphrased) "you don't even know how this all began and yet you're curious about the end?"

All in all I'm more interested in the qualities of 4D--like inner silence, horizontal thinking, emphasis upon choice--than I'm interested in beaming into 4D itself.  I'm sick of being sick and am seeking clearer living. 

I'm aware that there are consequences for forcing evolution, but forcing isn't my intent.  It is my intent, however, to see plainly what thoughts, feelings and actions foster growth and which ones cause stagnation.

I don't seek Heaven, but I do seek a happier existence.

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dreamosis,
Very well said, I agree with you on all point's!  Speed is a relative thing, to each person.   I know I feel a soul-urge to push on, sometimes a bit faster than some, but that's just me.  We all should follow our inner most impulses when it comes to spiritual development... the speed, timing and everything else we need will be right there for us.

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PleiadianHealer wrote:

We all should follow our inner most impulses when it comes to spiritual development...

There is an impulse in me to forge "ahead."  I won't deny that I have anxieties and fears, but there's definitely an impulse in me that comes from a place of excitement, wonder and joy.

I love Earth.  I love Earth.  And I don't even see an evolution into 4D as necessarily leaving Earth, but as a change in consciousness that changes your relationship to it, its inhabitants, and to the universe-at-large.

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29 Reply by whywhywhy (edited by whywhywhy 2006-03-26 07:20:46)

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dreamosis wrote:
whywhywhy wrote:

...I still do not understand why are we in such a hurry to evolve and arrive to the final destination.

This thread isn't about the final destination, but about life beyond Earth.  And I think you're projecting the feeling of "hurry" onto me and other posters.  I'm having fun on Earth, too; however, I'm curious about other experiences.  You don't have to hate a place to leave it.

I'm aware that there are consequences for forcing evolution, but forcing isn't my intent.  It is my intent, however, to see plainly what thoughts, feelings and actions foster growth and which ones cause stagnation.

Dreamosis,

I did not mean it in a bad or derogatory way.  I am not trying to project a feeling of "hurry" on you or anybody here on NR.  I did not say "you all are in a hurry to evolve".  I said "I still do not understand why are we in such a hurry".  I am putting it on myself because I honestly cannot understand it.  You did clarify some of your positions and I appreciate that.  I can see or have an idea on what is that you are trying to accomplish.  Please understand my goal when I post: 

To explain how I see the world around me (that's all I got, my own reality) and perhaps learn how others see the same world.  I also have a ton of questions (Heck, look at my NR name!). 

My intentions are not to agravate, antagonize or criticize.  I seek to learn by engaging and exchanging information.  Understand I am not the best writter in town and sometimes my sentences are short and choppy.  Because of that sometimes a reader may take one of my comments  a tad personal when in reality it was not meant to convey that kind of message.  I hope you understand.  Looking forward to read your posts,

Lee

30 Reply by dreamosis (edited by dreamosis 2006-03-26 18:49:26)

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whywhywhy wrote:

Dreamosis,

I did not mean it in a bad or derogatory way.  I am not trying to project a feeling of "hurry" on you or anybody here on NR.  I did not say "you all are in a hurry to evolve".  I said "I still do not understand why are we in such a hurry".  I am putting it on myself because I honestly cannot understand it.

My feeling, when I read your above posts, was that you were attempting to ground the thread in a good way.  I did appreciate the figurative "What's the hurry?"

What I was mainly responding to was the (perceived) charge that this talk of moving on must come out of a place of anxiety.  It partly does.  And it partly doesn't. 

whywhywhy wrote:

To explain how I see the world around me (that's all I got, my own reality) and perhaps learn how others see the same world.  I also have a ton of questions (Heck, look at my NR name!). 

Same with me. smile  And look at my NR name, I'm a dreamer--I look for possibilities, big changes, and what ifs.  I have a ton of questions, too.

Edit:

Once again, if anybody's interested: a challenge to everybody here: pick only three daily practices that you believe would be the most helpful in matching your vibration to 4D.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.