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Topic: Making the Cut

I was going to add to the Sudden v. Gradual Ascension thread, but didn't want to derail it, so here's a new thread about "making the cut."

From the Spirit of Ra site ([url=http://www.spiritofra.com wrote:

www.spiritofra.com[/url])]WHAT DETERMINES WHETHER YOU GRADUATE INTO 4TH DENSITY?

RA:  The necessity for graduation to 4th density is an ability to use, welcome and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. (B4, 71)

RA:  It's a function of the intensity of the violet ray of the individual. (B2, 103)

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And elsewhere:

RA: ...the thought-forms of your people vary greatly and are not able to point in one direction. Thus the harvest will be such that many will repeat the 3rd density cycle. The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However there are few to harvest. (B1, 133)

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And elsewhere:

Note: Elsewhere Ra tells us that even in the harvest of Venus, a highly positive third-density planet, only 20% of the population graduated.

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And elsewhere:

RA: The harvest is now. There is at this time no reason to aim for longevity, but rather to encourage efforts toward seeking the heart of the self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each person. (B1, 138)

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And last one, I swear...

QUESTION:   The book Oahspe says that if an entity is over 51% service to others and less than 50% service to self, then the entity is harvestable for the positive 4th dimensional level.

RA:    This is correct. The negative path is quite difficult for attaining harvestability and requires great dedication.
TO BE HARVESTABLE IN THE NEGATIVE ORIENTATION REQUIRES AT LEAST 95% SERVICE TO SELF and 5% service to others. (B1, 167)

The last quote makes me hopeful about "making the cut."  However, I'm not sure I understand what 51% service to others actually looks like.  How does one quantify service to other behaviors?  By time devoted to it?  By nergy devoted to STO thought patterns? 

As far as the intensity of the violet ray being a standard for making the harvest, I vaguely interpret that to refer to one's connection to one's own higher intellectual center (or crown chakra) and how clear that connection is.  And I think it means the degree to which your higher aspect is integrated into your lower self.

The C's again and again emphasize networking as vital to ascension. 

Ra wrote:

The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest.

So, networking with Wanderers, teachers, and adepts will help.  Spending time with those who support a raise in vibration.

But let's delve into specifics.  How do you make the cut?

If only 20% of a highly positive planet ascended, what does that mean for us?  ...Ra did say that there are far more STO candidates than STS, but I bet our planet barely qualifies for slightly positive.  But then again, who knows what Ra's criteria for "positive" are?  And maybe a negative planet sometimes has higher STO yields.

If 20% ascended, that's 1.2 billion.  If 10% ascended to 4D STO, that's 600 million.  5%=300 million.  1%=60 million--Tokyo plus Mexico City give or take.  But, hey, even 1% of 6 billion is better than the 144,000 figure that the Jehovah Witnesses claim.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.
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Re: Making the Cut

This probably isn't what you want to hear (err, read) but I believe you are thinking in a very limited way. Don't worry about ascension. Just live your life for the Here and Now, and do what comes natural, and then whatever happens, happens. No regrets, no anticipation, just live life as it comes.

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Re: Making the Cut

dreamosis wrote:

However, I'm not sure I understand what 51% service to others actually looks like.

Interesting question. 

dreamosis wrote:

How does one quantify service to other behaviors?  By time devoted to it?

The 51% is a quantitative measure, and I wonder how helpful further quantitative analysis is in this area.  I don't think it would be by time or number of service to self actions or number of service to others actions.

dreamosis wrote:

By energy devoted to STO thought patterns?

I think that this is getting closer.  A qualitative response might be: thinking of yourself and your own needs, and also considering the effect that one's thoughts and actions have on others.

If you take the viewpoint that by treating others well, you can actually increase the quality of your own life, then this "making it" idea doesn't seem to be so difficult.

For someone with a high (95%) service to self focus, this strikes me as someone who views self in a limited way - and is very focused in that limited view.  A perspective that focuses to such an extent on "me, mine, not yours" that others are merely tools for self, rather than relations to self or aspects of self.

I don't "know" any of this to be true, I'm just giving my impressions based on the Ra material and other similar writings.

4 Reply by PleiadianHealer (edited by PleiadianHealer 2006-03-23 07:48:04)

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Re: Making the Cut

dreamosis.
The part where you said "degree to which your higher aspect is integrated into your lower sellf"....strikes me as being one of the keys you're looking for.

The Higher-Self/Soul merge would be a good way to start to focus in this area, not the only way, but just one way. 

You might not like this suggestion, but there is a book called "Spiritual growth: Being your higher-self" by Sanaya Roman that goes over exercises on how to "work with" this merge... or better yet "call it forth".

This is a channeled book, which might turn-off some folks, but I do think it's worth it.  This could also help to fill in some blank's along with the Ra material. 
   

An interesting exercise that I've done in the past that takes about 60 seconds is where you just call out to your Soul/HS  to merge with you and then imagine a ball of glowing white/golden light come down through your crown chakra and merge with your physical body.    This sounds a bit simplistic but when I do this, I can feel my aura expand and also much energy moving through me, as if, a real physical merge is taking place.

I would imagine doing this quick ex. perhaps once a day, would be beneficial to....making the cut.

5 Reply by tenetnosce (edited by tenetnosce 2006-03-22 00:14:29)

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Re: Making the Cut

The whole STO/STS balance thing is very curious to me.  Ostensibly it would seem that we are judged by our actions, but underlying them is an intent.  So there is an external and an internal component.  I've observed the following progression in my life.

Stage 1:  STO(inner)/STO(outer)  The innocenct child stage.  The pure desire to want to help others without any conscious awareness of why or with any particular outcome in mind.

Stage 2:  STS(inner)/STS(outer).  Rebellious teenager stage.  I don't give a crap about anything except my own personal agenda, and only care about others to the degree that they serve my own perceived wants and desires.

Stage 3:  STS(inner)/STS(outer).  The "awakening" or "Love n' Light" stage.  I become immersed in spirituality and metaphysics and consciously seek to "help" others.  But really, on the inside, my actions are ego-dominated, and I am just trying to be "spiritual" because I think it will get me somewhere, or will help me to gain acceptance among my peers.  Lots of preaching from the pulpits, offering unsolicited advice, and flaunting my supposed spirituality, but no real change on the inside.

Stage 4:  STO(inner)/STS(outer).  The wisdom stage.  This is where I currently find myself.  To people looking from the outside, it may appear that I am all about myself, but really I am acting out of a clarity that the best way to serve others right now is to serve myself, and make sure that my own life is in order.  More often than not I just keep my mouth shut and let people live in their own little dramas.  They are not ready to be "awakened" and it certainly isn't my place to decide how or when it will be appropriate for them, or to assume that it is my role to awaken them, or that I even could if I wanted to.  They must make the choice for themselves.  If somebody asks me for assistance, I will offer it to them, but otherwise, I've got my own life to attend to.

Perhaps there is a return to an STO/STO position, but I haven't really gotten there so I wouldn't be able to describe it.  Just some thoughts. .

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.
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Re: Making the Cut

tenetnosce wrote:

the best way to serve others right now is to serve myself, and make sure that my own life is in order.

Yes, I feel this also.  Having fun is part of it as well.  :-)

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Re: Making the Cut

wandering1 wrote:
tenetnosce wrote:

the best way to serve others right now is to serve myself, and make sure that my own life is in order.

Yes, I feel this also.  Having fun is part of it as well.  :-)

Yes.  To me this is the key to serve others.  How can one give and radiate love if one does not love the self?  It all starts from within and then it emanates outwards.  Love yourself, take care of yourself, respect yourself and then, not before, you will be prepared to serve others.  Unfortunately, many people will consider this behavior rather selfish for they expect and STO candidate to behave like Mother Theresa 24/7.  People expects these loving individuals to suffer, experience pain and live in poverty because in their narrow minds all these attributes must go together for that person to be looked at as an STO or shall I say "a martyr". 

Regards,

Lee

8 Reply by heandras (edited by heandras 2006-03-22 06:28:48)

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Re: Making the Cut

I agree with what was said. Some more thoughts on the percentages… I think the important factor is intent. When one looks at ones actions and it’s intent one may ask oneself : “is that really enough to make 51%?"  But, you have to look at the other side also. Which strength has your pure STS intent - the desire to manipulate and dominate others towards own ends, or at least the absence of “considering the effect that one's thoughts and actions have on others."  [wandering1]
I think beings/people oriented towards STO oftentimes seem quite passive, because STO acts upon request of others. If there is no request, there’s nothing to do. This passiveness could be seen as 0% but it is there and has weight – as potential and willingness to support others. Regarding ones approach to life I second what seeker wrote.

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

9 Reply by dreamosis (edited by dreamosis 2006-03-22 11:13:38)

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Re: Making the Cut

seeker wrote:

This probably isn't what you want to hear (err, read) but I believe you are thinking in a very limited way. Don't worry about ascension. Just live your life for the Here and Now, and do what comes natural, and then whatever happens, happens. No regrets, no anticipation, just live life as it comes.

Actually, that's exactly what I want to hear, but I worry about ascension nonetheless.  My inner guidance tells me I'm not "just scraping by," but I'm not passing with flying colors either.

Maybe "Pass/Fail" is a limited way of thinking; maybe pass/fail is exactly how progression to a higher density happens, though.  But thank you for your thoughts, seeker.  All in all, I'm not very anxious about ascension.  Aside from the current political/social systems, the state of the environment, and the neg. hyperdimensionals, I would be happy to have 10,000 more lives here.

I remain drawn to the concept of ascension, however.  Something feels right in it.  It inspires more hope than it does worry.   

PledianHealer...Yes, integrating the higher self, bringing it into your body and life is what seems most right to me right now.  I have practiced that golden ball meditation, and I've gotten similar results.  I'll be trying it more.

tenetnosce wrote:

Stage 4:  STO(inner)/STS(outer).  The wisdom stage.  This is where I currently find myself.  To people looking from the outside, it may appear that I am all about myself, but really I am acting out of a clarity that the best way to serve others right now is to serve myself, and make sure that my own life is in order.  More often than not I just keep my mouth shut and let people live in their own little dramas.  They are not ready to be "awakened" and it certainly isn't my place to decide how or when it will be appropriate for them, or to assume that it is my role to awaken them, or that I even could if I wanted to.  They must make the choice for themselves.  If somebody asks me for assistance, I will offer it to them, but otherwise, I've got my own life to attend to.

This resonates with me.  I feel myself bridging into this area now and have been over the last two years.  I still act out the stage 3 trying-to-heal-everyone-STS crap, but it's less and less.

Again on percentages: quality not quantity is the correct direction, I feel that too.  There could be a person who has only ever had two minutes of genuine communication with their higher self, but those two minutes--if concentrated--could make a bigger difference in their life and move them toward STO more than a person who has struggled to open themselves for years. 

Linear concepts can increase understanding and spur us on, however.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.
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Re: Making the Cut

dreamosis wrote:

But let's delve into specifics.  How do you make the cut?

If only 20% of a highly positive planet ascended, what does that mean for us?  ...Ra did say that there are far more STO candidates than STS, but I bet our planet barely qualifies for slightly positive.  But then again, who knows what Ra's criteria for "positive" are?  And maybe a negative planet sometimes has higher STO yields.

If 20% ascended, that's 1.2 billion.  If 10% ascended to 4D STO, that's 600 million.  5%=300 million.  1%=60 million--Tokyo plus Mexico City give or take.  But, hey, even 1% of 6 billion is better than the 144,000 figure that the Jehovah Witnesses claim.

Dreamosis,

What happens to the souls of the people that did not ascend?  Do they start a new cycle somewhere else in the universe where a 3D planet with 3D beings may exist?  I really hope so!

I really have trouble with the Ascension concept, specially when applied collectivelly as some channeling sources claim.  If it is a collective deal and a spaceship is gathering the souls I believe I am going to pass on it.  It does not make any sense and I am not taking any chances!

I also do not think that there is a clear cut line that one crosses to complete the process such as the differentiation between Heaven & Hell.  I believe the process of moving from a 3D to a 4D realm is a spatial/spiritual transformation with overlapping on both realms.  Perhaps the overlap is the adaptation step and it may well happen here on 3D. 

I used to worry about issues concerning the evolution of my soul, but what good does that do?  Rather than worrying one must act according to what the heart dictates.  Use love, patience and understanding on whatever endeavor you undertake and the rest will take care of itself.  You will be ready when you are ready, not one second before or after (in human terms that is).  After all what is the damm hurry?  I am having fun on planet Earth.  Why not?  I will ascend whenever it happens.  Why not? As for you, as Sir Francis Dashwood (the Creator of "The Hell Fire Club" 18th century) used to say, "Do what you will".  And he really meant it, he was a party animal!

Regards,

Lee

11 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2006-03-22 13:09:14)

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Re: Making the Cut

whywhywhy wrote:

What happens to the souls of the people that did not ascend?  Do they start a new cycle somewhere else in the universe where a 3D planet with 3D beings may exist?  I really hope so!

Yes, this is my understanding of the theory.  I think that it is also may be possible to be born into 3d Earth - now, in the near future, or in the past - before this planet becomes fully 4d.  Just a thought.

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Re: Making the Cut

I view all of existance as a part of my self and by harming you i harm myself. So when i help a person i do truly help them, as they are an individuation of me just as i am an individuation of me. My existance isnt more important or above than the existance of a plant, i am simply different, yet the plant is a part of me as well. I have for a long time had tremendous trouble with the whole STS/STO Bi-polar cut, The "you are either with us or against us". The more i have thought about it the less sense it makes, the less reasonable a very strict cut between two factions appears. I am very self oriented as i realise that i am here to experience what it feels like to be me, i work through me, not through you.

If something exists it exists because of the will of the universe, so why would i have to work towards one end or another of the scale to scurry for favors from that side, to be accepted into their side and their group. Why would i have to condemn those that work for the service of self simply because the other side wants for it to happen. If i pick a path in which i help others i dont do it because the other people need my help as they are already precicely where they want to be, i do it because it is what i desire to do  and it is how i best create myself in this world. Thusly, a STS act in the extreme.

I'm being a little incoherant, but the whole thought of STS-STO (We are the good guys) and the implied "if you dont work hard for "our" favor you will be left behind on this planet of suffering or this reality that is an illusion and yadda yadda blah blah, worship us"  is just as bad to me as most organized religions. Ofcourse as i said once about christianity and so on that applies here as well. "I wouldnt want to go to heaven (4th D STO place) because noone there needs my help, they are all perfect the way they are"

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Re: Making the Cut

To be honest the STO/STS thing has me somewhat paranoid.  It kind of reminds me of some OCD I had in my childhood where when I did certain things I would have to repeat "I love God, I hate the Devil."  (Thank you church!)

How this comes up now is when I am praying or speaking to my higher self and helpers, sometimes I'll say things that my mind will deem too self centered/selfish and then I can nearly have a break down because I'll think I just polarized myself more STS with my words to the Universe.

This STS/STO thing while very effective in letting me be mindful of my actions with otherselves, is making me be negligent of myself, because when I focus more on myself, I get paranoid I'm polarizing service to self.  Sigh...

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Re: Making the Cut

Jedi--

Therein lies the problem. If you focus on being STO/STS before dealing with higher consciousness (ie. 4th density), you will satisfy your ego but get nowhere. If you instead focus on becoming comfortable with expanded/higher consciousness first, everything else will fall into place. Here's an analogy: suppose you always wanted to play in a professional sports league. But instead of practicing your sport every day, you instead spend your time planning to join the league, deciding who is the best coach for your team, what uniform you will wear, and so on. But if you don't ever become good at the sport, you'll never make it in the league to begin with. If you instead play sports for the love of playing sports, and become very good at it, the rest will fall into place and you would have no problem getting into the league.

If you just focus on tuning yourself into the higher vibrations you don't have to worry whether you are STO/STS, because only STO can reach a certain vibration.

15 Reply by whywhywhy (edited by whywhywhy 2006-03-23 06:02:46)

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Re: Making the Cut

Hkelukka wrote:

I'm being a little incoherant, but the whole thought of STS-STO (We are the good guys) and the implied "if you dont work hard for "our" favor you will be left behind on this planet of suffering or this reality that is an illusion and yadda yadda blah blah, worship us"  is just as bad to me as most organized religions. Ofcourse as i said once about christianity and so on that applies here as well. "I wouldnt want to go to heaven (4th D STO place) because noone there needs my help, they are all perfect the way they are"

My thoughts exactly.  I do not think we are here to become “saints�  or “devils�  but to experience both possibilities.  One is no better than the other for they emanate from the same source.  Chapter 3 in the book of Ecclesiastes (supposedly written by Solomon) cannot explain our purpose any better.


Ecclesiastes
OR, THE PREACHER
3

A Time for Everything
1     To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2     a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3     a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4     a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5     a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to     
         refrain from embracing;
6     a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7     a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8     a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9     What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboreth?
10      I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

11     He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man
         can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
12     I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.
13     And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labor, it is the gift of God.
14     I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from
         it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15     That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is
         past.

Regards,

Lee