61 (edited by Ayahuasca 2006-03-19 15:58:53)

Re: Timeline Jumping or Manipulation?

Zarg wrote:

When Movies gets 10,815 views and Soulmates gets 3,129, and Dreams gets 5,738 and Poker gets 123 then Synthetic People gets 1026 and Prison Planet gets 965, and Just Believe Us gets a really low count … it just reflects where people’s focus is at. Interestingly, Mind Control pulled 5,204 ... must have been woo-woo to get that many views...

Zarg, the Movies thread is two years old!!! Those 10,815 views have accumulated over a two year period. Soulmates and Dreams are also old threads that have accumulated a large amount of views over a long period.

Prison Planet getting 965 in only a month or two is actually an extremely high number of views for such a short period of time.

So next time you make reference to how many views a thread receives check out how old the thread is before passing any kind of judgement!

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Re: Timeline Jumping or Manipulation?

I've followed this thread and have enjoyed most of it. I think there  are a lot of thought provoking ideas here that should not be thrown out with the bathwater.

Zarg, it is a bit provoking to state your ideas as fact and not back them up especially in a place like this that is prone to infiltration by those who who would like to distract. I've seen it happen many times on threads that were getting close to something and then something happens where it gets sidetracked or disintegrates into arguing or  personal stuff. That's another topic though.

The very nature of this discussion shows us that truth is relative to the individual but thats not to stop us from sharing with each what is truth to us at this particular moment where our individual timelines do intersect and mutually benefit. That is the power of doing what we are doing.

After all, if there is any basis at all to this timeline thing (which I think there is), it is possible for any two of us to disagree about something and later both be proven right in our individual timelines.

This brings up some interesting questions, at what point do individual and collective timelines merge and how are they intermingled? How does will effect this? How does group will effect this? Does forming relationships with others lock them into similar timelines?

As an aside, I've experienced a similar shift such as Arthur C. Clarke dying only in my case it was Nelson Mandela. One morning I heard on the news that he was being released from prison however long ago that was, and my memory was that he had died in prison. Anybody?

Stephen

63 (edited by lyra 2006-03-19 19:59:22)

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Zarg wrote:

I was just disappointed that there wasn’t more attention paid to threads that can make a difference in what one knows… even one’s ability to survive on this planet.  When Movies gets 10,815 views and Soulmates gets 3,129, and Dreams gets 5,738 and Poker gets 123 then Synthetic People gets 1026 and Prison Planet gets 965, and Just Believe Us gets a really low count …

As Ayahuasca rightly pointed out........the movies thread is 2 years old.


Zarg wrote:

it just reflects where people’s focus is at. Interestingly, Mind Control pulled 5,204 ... must have been woo-woo to get that many views...

And?   

I wonder why it bothers you so much?   You seem awfully concerned with how many hits particular threads get...and are judging an entire forum and all its members by how many hits a thread has had, which, btw, don't take into effect how long each thread has been in existence.


Zarg wrote:

I don’t see people willing to deal with real issues. That was my point.

Then maybe you're not looking hard enough.  And I hate to be the one to say it, but since you keep mentioning this, and pointing it out, then maybe NR isn't the forum for you.  Maybe you'd be happier in another forum where there isn't a movies thread that God forbid, has had 10,000 views in 2 years.  The thread is over 2 years old.  And there's getting close to 900 registered members on this forum by this point.   The numbers seem about right to me.  Nothing unusual there.


Zarg wrote:

Wrong. There is something very wrong with that. And there IS another way to know and if you don’t have that, or even know what it is, nor develop it, you can be deceived no matter how much information, experience or ‘revelation’ you receive. Your very thoughts can be and ARE manipulated and people are not aware of this… that was what I was ‘testing’ by the way: can I give people wrong info and you don’t ‘sense’ it?  You have made my point for me.

You're right Zarg. You win.

I think another problem here is that because some of us have chosen not to spell out to you what we know and are aware of, you've naturally assumed that....we lack the awareness, and just plain don't know.    You said as much when you pointed out in your previous post that I didn't comment on your quarantine explanation....which led you to believe that I didn't have awareness on the subject.   I have heard of it, actually.  Last year, from a psychic woman that we know/knew through a member of NR.  She was telling a roomful of people about the Earth quarantine. 

Also, want to tack this on here before signing off - the definition of "real issues" is a bit subjective, don't you think?   Some believe that Rense.com is real issues.  Some believe that trying to get to the bottom of what reality really is, is the real issue.  Some people believe the subject of mind control on the masses through the use of the mass media.......and movies.....is a real issue.  Some people believe that soul mates and spirituality is a real issue.   You want us to use the same measuring stick that you employ to gauge what is and isn't a "real issue" to discuss.    It's not possible. 

So if you really believe that NR isn't willing to deal with real issues, based on your measuring stick, then maybe we're not the forum for you.  I don't know what else to tell you.

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64 (edited by Risen 2006-03-19 22:49:40)

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Zarg,

I'm not ready to back out of this just yet.  Nor am I going to participate in any kind of argument if I can help it.

I'm seeing your points, I'm seeing Lyra's points, and attempting to see this from every conceivable angle here.  We are all here to share our experiences and look for answers.  I think that's pretty self-explanitory... You (and everyone else here) made a lot of good points, and shared some interesting info + thoughts. 

I have basically two things on my mind at this point:

1) You made some claims of knowing certain things without giving sources.  Now normally I would say "ok, then this person is just talking from experiences and taking a best guess, or sharing what his gut tells him".  But you got pretty specific there man, it's hard to accept the fact that you know all that just by putting pieces together or on a gut hunch.  So therefore I for one would really like to know at least what *direction* you got this from.  If you dont want to give a specific source I'd understand that, but at least point someone in the right direction will ya?

..and this leads to, and integrates with, ...

2) Testing the waters...  Sounds to me like perhaps you have some further info and want to see how people react before you share the rest.  I can understand that, no point in wasting your breath (or in this case, keystrokes) on people whose reaction might be to turn around and slap you, ridicule you, etc.

Now I can really only speak for myself here, but.. You've got a forum of some very open-minded people here.  Oh, I know not everyone.  But certainly more than a couple handfuls of people.  I for one never rule out anything; I consider that everything is always possible, depending on the moment.  So if you need to take this thread "one step at a time" instead of feeding us a horse-pill, I'm cool with that....

But I'd really like to see this thread get past this hurdle and onward...

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oh, and the thing about giving wrong info and people not 'sensing it'.  Not a very good test man... I know I'm not the only person who scratched their head when they read that part.  But the kind of people here are used to just scratching their head and moving onward instead of coming to a screeching halt.  You gotta do that to be able to get anywhere with any of the books we read...  answers aren't always instant.  So when nobody questioned you, that doesn't mean they didn't catch it.  We just put it on the backburner until more answers arrive.

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

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Risen wrote:

Zarg,

I'm not ready to back out of this just yet.  Nor am I going to participate in any kind of argument if I can help it.

I'm seeing your points, I'm seeing Lyra's points, and attempting to see this from every conceivable angle here.  We are all here to share our experiences and look for answers.  I think that's pretty self-explanitory... You (and everyone else here) made a lot of good points, and shared some interesting info + thoughts. 

I have basically two things on my mind at this point:

1) You made some claims of knowing certain things without giving sources.  Now normally I would say "ok, then this person is just talking from experiences and taking a best guess, or sharing what his gut tells him".  But you got pretty specific there man, it's hard to accept the fact that you know all that just by putting pieces together or on a gut hunch.  So therefore I for one would really like to know at least what *direction* you got this from.  If you dont want to give a specific source I'd understand that, but at least point someone in the right direction will ya?

..and this leads to, and integrates with, ...

2) Testing the waters...  Sounds to me like perhaps you have some further info and want to see how people react before you share the rest.  I can understand that, no point in wasting your breath (or in this case, keystrokes) on people whose reaction might be to turn around and slap you, ridicule you, etc.

Now I can really only speak for myself here, but.. You've got a forum of some very open-minded people here.  Oh, I know not everyone.  But certainly more than a couple handfuls of people.  I for one never rule out anything; I consider that everything is always possible, depending on the moment.  So if you need to take this thread "one step at a time" instead of feeding us a horse-pill, I'm cool with that....

But I'd really like to see this thread get past this hurdle and onward...

[edit]
oh, and the thing about giving wrong info and people not 'sensing it'.  Not a very good test man... I know I'm not the only person who scratched their head when they read that part.  But the kind of people here are used to just scratching their head and moving onward instead of coming to a screeching halt.  You gotta do that to be able to get anywhere with any of the books we read...  answers aren't always instant.  So when nobody questioned you, that doesn't mean they didn't catch it.  We just put it on the backburner until more answers arrive.

Zarg, I would have to agree with Risen on this one. Give us all  a little more credit that we are discerning enough to use what info rings true for us or what doesnt. We dont need to be "tested", and we are not always going to jump down someones throat when we think the info is wrong.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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66 (edited by whywhywhy 2006-03-20 14:29:16)

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I'll take a shot in getting this thread back on target.

I have had three incidents in the past two weeks (two of them in the last 24 hours) which I cannot explain.

Incident 1

When I moved into my business building a year and a half ago the street address was XXXXX Drive.  For some reason I started writing all my mail using XXXXX Ave.  A few days ago as I am making the turn into the street I noticed it has changed to XXXXX Ave.  I got in my office and check all my mail and files and they all had XXXXX Ave. written on it.  I know for a fact it was a drive and not an avenue.  I also do not know what drove me to start using avenue from the first day I moved in.  Yesterday I received some mail directed to a previous building owner and it was addressed XXXXX Drive.  I check some old files in my computer and it was set to XXXXX Drive.  I cannot figure out what happenned but I will call my city Public Works Dept to investigate further.

Incident 2

Yesterday (3/19/06) as I am driving to work I tuned into 710 AM for news.  I caught a real estate show and listened for about 10 minutes.  I finally changed the station and started scanning for a better show to listen to.  Did not find anything decent to hear.  About 5-7 minutes later I ended up on the original station (710 AM), same real estate show but something seemed familiar.  The show started exactly where it started when I first tuned in.  I finished the show to make sure that at 9 AM the new s would come in and the show will finish smoothly.  If the news would come in and the show was not completed I then would know the station messed up.  Well the show finished smoothly.

Incident 3

This morning I am listened to the local weather news then the show go into commercials.  When the show came back it was the same weather news I just listened to.  Same guy, same words......WTF?


The 1st incident is almost like my timeline has been changed.  The other two appear as if I am going back in time 5-10 minutes.  Hard to explain.  My wife is seriously thinking I am going mad.  I will refrain from sharing any info with her.

Regards,

Lee

67 (edited by Zarg 2006-03-20 17:30:51)

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It appears that I need to address the two salient issues of the day:

1.  I have not disclosed my source(s) of major information/knowledge. Actually along the way in other posts, I have referred to some books and occasionally to an author, possibly a movie (Matrix or They Live). But those are not sources for what I know; I either agree with them or not. But it isn’t arrogance.

I deliberately avoided saying that “I think this may be true"(IMO), or “I had a dream" that gave me this info (except for the one time in the Prison Planet post when I did have an unusual vision), as it tends to discount the knowledge. I have said “Consider this…" and “What if….?" But people are sharp enough to notice that I am not just tossing ideas around and looking for a  ‘Woo hoo hoo hoo!’ response.  smile    Been there, done that.

2.  And Risen got it right when he said that I wanted to ‘test the waters’ before sharing deeper things. Exactly.  I have picked up on some people’s energy signature but I don’t know the people in this Forum and so I thought to evaluate this forum (and get a feel for what I could share)  by the attention paid to certain threads – however that turned out to be. Not getting the answer(s) I sought, I thought to throw a few things out and see what the reaction would be… not as a ‘test’ per se (you are not wrong or dumb if you don’t know what topics I was talking about), but to see if some people had a way of picking up on what ‘rings true’ (or false)  as  Treehugger said. 

I have not had the time to scan significant-looking threads/posts – and so I didn’t know that some posts were years old. And I may have repeated older issues… Point well taken.   

My point was not to analyze the forum, and you people, but to figure out if I could drop some heavy information here… would it be received, would it be understood, would it be relevant…?  I saw what happened to Insider (on GLP and even this forum) – some thought she was just too negative.

Remember my analogy of people on a trek from Los Angeles to NYC? What would be the reaction of people in Arizona to info from Ohio? Could they receive it? Would it benefit or confuse them? Was it even wise to share it? Or on a deeper level, since the Internet is wide open, and there are those who scan websites for info that they (PTB) don’t want revealed, would I be getting myself in ‘hot water’? 

And I even shared (god knows where in this forum -- science, I think) about PROMIS, elbit chips, and Echelon… there is/was a rootkit on my system back in late 2004. I was a heavy Rense follower then (no more) and I learned some heavy things and kept a file of many topics from many sources on this same pc. About the time an anti-CIA ex-friend sent me, the CIA, and others a nasty flame mail, the next day my pc began to run very slowly… and everyone’s name was identified in his email. Next thing I know, my special file of documents disappeared.

Being who/what I am, I knew what had happened… “little John" (his nom de plume)  had sent the CIA/Homeland Security an open invitation to check each one of us out – hence the rootkit (Promis) coming down onto our machines. Only Little John was ‘safe’ – he used random pc’s in different libraries. No he wasn’t a terrorist and neither am I. He was just flaky as hell and I broke off all relations with him and stopped Rense as well… and I suggested he turn to developing his spirituality instead of chasing conspiracies.

That’s not the end of it. Being a computer ‘power user’ I searched my pc in ALL ways for the missing file. Gone. Not hidden, not deleted, not renamed. Gone. I didn’t even remember what the heck was in the file… a real mishmash of  everything. Then, in Spring 2005, the file (in its entirety) reappears on my pc. I thought, Damn, they’re good… but why return it? I suspected another power user here at work was playing a joke on me… he absolutely didn’t know what I was talking about, and was out of town when it happened. I thought, Damn, am I on the red list or the blue list?  Why would they return the file? That bothered me more than anything else about the event. So I knew I had been ‘evaluated’.

And if you are intuitive, you will have no trouble seeing how the enemy set that one up. When you read the next post, you’ll see WHY the attack was set up. (I sometimes wonder if this is worth it; I have been virtually destroyed [no money, forced into bankruptcy, no family/relatives, no wife or children, no retirement, and last job went to India], and they have tried to kill me 4 times – that I know of.  It doesn’t stop.) Hence, my caution. There is no point in being reckless although I have nothing to hide, but I do have some basic protection or I wouldn’t be here… trying to serve the Light. 

Perhaps you were as ‘upset’ at being evaluated as I was. But if you ask people directly for certain info they can lie, or tell you what they think you want to hear. Or they tell you what they think is true, or wish were true. Done quietly and subtly, one can often ascertain the truth… which is why it is done that way. Nobody is ‘violated’ so there is no need to apologize – but I traded credibility and a building trust for shock. My loss. And I did not get the info I wanted… so I am still reflecting.

And I have learned from this… even though I am what I am, I am still learning. I said I am not a master, nor do I know it all. But I DO know more than the average person, or I would not be here. Cryptic? Melodrama? (I wish. That would be an easy out.) I am saying all this to avoid saying it in a separate (new) post that I am working on --  which may be my last post due to the time crunches that are being set up for me… we’ll see.

You are good people and you deserve something of an answer at this point… hence the next post. It may shed some light for you.

Il faut tout voir de la hauteur de 40,000 pieds.

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So what is the truth?  I may be interpreting this wrong but it would appear to me that according to Zarg the truth is subjective in terms of whatever an individual is perceiving based on the timeline they're on and what dimension they're living in?  After all no two people experience life in exactly the same way.  Perhaps the answers lies in asking the right questions?  If one is aware of the possibility that any answer can be manipulated then this opens up an endless loop.  Is the truth fabricated or does it stand independent of interpretation and if so who's interpretation and what is their qualificaiton to interpret the data?   One would have to divulge how one can discern between a fabricated or manipulated answer and the "truth".  When you talk about Lizzies, who here has seen or has proof of their current existance?  I've read David Icke and know about Dulce but in all honesty this doesn't prove that they are still here.  Isn't the "truth" largely a consensus of a perceived reality?  One person's truth could be another's falsehood. 

Does anyone else find it odd that throughout history it would seem that man is constantly in search of the TRUTH but like that elusive carrot at the end of the stick, it seems the best that we can do is speculate about it?

For all of the people who are experiencing time anomalies, could it be possible that you are switching back and forth between parallel realities?

I've heard it said that time as we know it is manufactured.  There are people who claim that the modern calendar and system in which we measure time is false.  Biologically speaking the body apparently operates on a 25 hr cycle not the current 24.  So if man created "time" as a unit of measurement then the concept of time travel is bogus as well, since "TIME" would become an endless continuum with no beginning or end.

It would seem like we are all indivdual receivers, some in tune to one range of frequencies, while others may have a wider range.

Maybe we're all experiencing the "Ground Hogs Day" movie scenario in which we continually travel through cycles until we finally get it right?  Which brings us to question who/what determines what is right?

"None is so blind as he who will not see, and none is so deaf as he who will not listen."

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kestrel wrote:

Does anyone else find it odd that throughout history it would seem that man is constantly in search of the TRUTH but like that elusive carrot at the end of the stick, it seems the best that we can do is speculate about it?

To me, it's an infinite process as I am only able to perceive that which I am able to conceive. As my concepts grow so does my ability to perceive new things, which expand the concepts and so on, so yeah, it's a never ending process.

In the same fashion I wonder if the closer one gets to putting their head around the timeline concept would that put them closer to experiencing them at will.

I'm also fascinated with the process of discarding worn out concepts as you go down the path. We've all done that and it is a requirement in order to keep learning. What if you could take that to an extreme and discard all concepts of truth, where would that put you? A realm of pure experience? Perhaps that's the way to go.

I think we are pretty much talking about the same thing between parallel timelines, dimensions and realities. If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me.

How do you define truth between  these timelines, realities, whatever, where events and people can change and yet be the same? Do you need the perspective of the fourth dimension to understand? Can you pull yourself up by the bootstraps to get there? Are there some kind of universal laws that govern these things or is that the wrong way to look at it? Perhaps any kind of law would only be another illusion created by man to fulfill his need of understanding. Bam! Back into the loop right where you started from.

I realize I've given many more questions than answers, but thats all I've got right now. The only answer that comes to mind is ...infinity.

SM

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Thank you for sharing Zarg.

"The universe is on fire with wonder, beauty, and ecstasy." - From the Undines to Humanity

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Speculating on truth is never going to be enough, you have to -live- it. Endless speculation is like trying to look at one's own face.
Each and every one of you, get up off of your computer chairs and go -live-.

You're staring at yourself
I'm kicking down the walls
For all is naught

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Heck, I consistently and purposefully place myself into arduous situations. It's the only way to live!

You're staring at yourself
I'm kicking down the walls
For all is naught

73 (edited by wandering1 2006-03-21 13:34:18)

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Zarg wrote:

My point was not to analyze the forum, and you people, but to figure out if I could drop some heavy information here… would it be received, would it be understood, would it be relevant…?

Yes, please do share.

Zarg wrote:

When you read the next post, you’ll see WHY the attack was set up. (I sometimes wonder if this is worth it; I have been virtually destroyed [no money, forced into bankruptcy, no family/relatives, no wife or children, no retirement, and last job went to India], and they have tried to kill me 4 times – that I know of.  It doesn’t stop.) Hence, my caution.

It seems that your caution is based on experience.

Zarg wrote:

There is no point in being reckless although I have nothing to hide, but I do have some basic protection or I wouldn’t be here… trying to serve the Light.

I hear you on that.  Looking forward to hearing more.

Zarg wrote:

I am saying all this to avoid saying it in a separate (new) post that I am working on --  which may be my last post due to the time crunches that are being set up for me… we’ll see.

Hopefully it won't be your last post here.

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whywhywhy wrote:

I have had three incidents in the past two weeks (two of them in the last 24 hours) which I cannot explain.
...
About 5-7 minutes later I ended up on the original station (710 AM), same real estate show but something seemed familiar.  The show started exactly where it started when I first tuned in. 
...
This morning I am listened to the local weather news then the show go into commercials.  When the show came back it was the same weather news I just listened to.  Same guy, same words......WTF?

Lee,

Wow, man.  This sounds identical to some things that happened to me in late 2001 and all of 2002.  I remember on 9/11/01 (yes, that day) watching the news and something caught my eye -- more than a few times throughout the day, the news ticker would jerk and go back a few words.  WHILE I WAS INTENTLY staring at it!  So i know for a fact it wasn't just me being distracted.  I asked others who I knew were watching the same station and nobody noticed anything.

Yes, other similar things have happened too.. along the same lines.  I just remember that one more vividly because of the date.

Welcome to my world..heh

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

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I had that happen a while back. I was watching a news story about a kidnapping and murder and I knew I had seen that exact same newscast the day before, but my husband and friend insisted that it just happened and that I couldnt have seen it.    After 16yrs of marriage to my present husband, I suddenly started signing checks with my exe's last name, wierd!   What about the concept of soul group consciousness? Would that explain why some of us are experiencing the TL thing?

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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