Topic: programming during trips

I'd like to share something in hopes to get some feedback.  A one time friend called me to tell me about a fantastic mushroom trip that he took and how he spoke to god and how god gave him all the answers that he ever needed.  But instead of looking like he''d been enlightened by the trip he turned very negative afterwards-currently he verbally abuses his children to the point of his ex-wife needing to consult with a lawyer.  This seems odd behavior for someone who supposedly had their mind expanded by psychedelics to gain deep insights into human nature-leading me to believe that he was programmed during the trip-possibly by reptoids and also is now possessed by a negative entity.  I've been totally sober for 17 years now, taking the advice of my psychic development teacher and have meditated regularly for about this long as well-no need for drugs whatsoever-so perhaps this is what my teacher was indirectly warning me about-getting too open via drugs and having all sorts of nastiness pour in.  I'm also suspicious of DMT trips that I've read about-esp. Terence McKenna's and the machine goblins he encountered.  It all seems so artificial-perhaps a deeper aspect of the matrix mimicking some 'benign' realm-and one quite dangerous because the tripper assumes they are becoming liberated from conditioning when quite the opposite is happening.  Has any one else have simiar suspicions?  Have you witnessed someone you cared about change like this?

In order to see, you have to stop being in the middle of the picture

    -Sri Aurobindo

2 (edited by montalk 2006-03-08 00:30:26)

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Some people handle trips better than others, obviously. And by that I don't mean what they experienced during the trip, but what they are left with afterwards. If there is any soul fragmentation, auric fracturing, or etheric tearing then it can lead to anything from simple psychological disharmony to entity attachments and full possession.

Becoming host to parasitical entities happens. Normal people with healthy auras must go through a traumatic, demoralizing, depressive phase before they are suitable for takeover. See the article "Birth of a Host" by author Cassie. Such a thing becomes easier when someone's auric defenses are weakened through chemical abuse because the weakening is more sudden, systemic, and jarring.

The hosting process may drag out for some time, but the end result is that one becomes more easily tapped into serving some negative agenda than before. Unless one intentionally watches for the warning signs, the process tends to be subtle enough to go unnoticed...and the candidates chosen for hosting are ones unlikely to resist anyway.

And what happens when someone is thrust into higher realms of awareness without the proper inner development to comprehend it accurately, without the inner compass to tell higher oracles from higher deceivers? Then the sheer amazement of it all will make them zealous believers in lies or half-truths. It takes great care not to succumb to such risks.

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montalk wrote:

The hosting process may drag out for some time, but the end result is that one becomes more easily tapped into serving some negative agenda than before. Unless one intentionally watches for the warning signs, the process tends to be subtle enough to go unnoticed...and the candidates chosen for hosting are ones unlikely to resist anyway.

What are the warning signs? It's possible that I've gone through this recently. I get really "strange" ideas sometimes, seemingly out of the blue. Before ever hearing about a hosting process, I had a feeling that a lot of negetive people who had come into my life were trying to "set me up" for possesion of some kind. It would make a good article for someone with better writing ability and stamina than myself. Sorry if there's already a post or article about this that I missed.
Here I go searching again........." The Warning signs of a possible possesion attempt"

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seemefly-warning signs include unexplainable mood shifts, energy drains, obsessing with ideas that when looked at when grounded and centered are not beneficial ones.   Also the people setting you up will try to feed your ego as well-excessive compliments, over enthusiasm about your work, again with no grounding in reality.  If what they say causes more confusion than clarity it also is a warning sign.  On a subtle body level-watch the area around the second chakra-the hara center below the navel-this area always tightens up when I'm around someone who is trying to manipulate me-not just physical people but also entities.  esp in the back of the chakra.   this set up process happened to me when I went public with a story I had written-went on corporate radio to discuss it.  most of the announcers were possessed with entities which came after me afterwards.  fortunately my spiritual guides came in and cleared me out-they would try to get in my sinuses, my stomach (during the interviews I lost my appetite and lost weight).  for myself, focusing on how my body reacts is more important than seeing the entities-because that can be a trapping in itself-they are gifted at making one fascinated in them-or engage with them so they can drain energy.

In order to see, you have to stop being in the middle of the picture

    -Sri Aurobindo

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Wow Sira,  That is almost exactly what was happening to me and , with me also, it was at a time when I was just starting to go public with some very enlightening material.  What you said about noticing bodily reactions makes a lot of sense. I wish I had payed more attention to that at the time. Thanks for answering my questions! Peace

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Montalk:  I enjoyed the article Birth of a Host-esp. the part about taking monoatomic gold.  Laurence Gardner who David Icke suspects is a reptoid (and looks like one) is currently touting the benefits of monoatomic gold.   However, I read a warning against ingesting this substance-on Laura Knight Jadcyk's site-she asked the Cassiopeans about this substance and they said not to take it (not exact words but close enough).  I never had a desire to take it-even after several people recommended that I try it.  Someone once gave me some 'etherium gold' way back before I was as guarded as I am now and I tried it. It made me very spaced out-she reassured me that I was merely preparing for the dimensional shift.  In retropsect, I could have been fair game for programming and hosting as well.
   I also enjoyed reading how hosts will all of a sudden turn righteous-with diet and exercise, yoga and meditation.  This is something to watch out for indeed.
   And while I'm on a roll here-I am very wary of shamanism-I have come to believe that contemporary shamanism has been taken over by reptoid forces.  anybody else have misgivings about shamanism as it is promoted now?

In order to see, you have to stop being in the middle of the picture

    -Sri Aurobindo

7 (edited by alushe 2006-03-08 13:03:09)

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I also enjoyed reading how hosts will all of a sudden turn righteous-with diet and exercise, yoga and meditation.  This is something to watch out for indeed.
   And while I'm on a roll here-I am very wary of shamanism-I have come to believe that contemporary shamanism has been taken over by reptoid forces.  anybody else have misgivings about shamanism as it is promoted now?

I have become "righteous" with diet and exercise, yoga and meditation. Am I being set up for possession? Or is it because I want to be healthy so I can better enjoy my time in this body?
What makes you believe that "contemporary shamanism" (if such a movement exists) has been taken over by reptoid forces? I was under the impression that shamanism was a very individual path, and tends more to involve an exploration of one's mind more than spirit realms. During my journeys I have confronted demons from my childhood and subconscious, and worked over them (yes, my ego remains intact during these journeys). You can say I'm being manipulated in these states, but it sure doesn't feel like it to me. These experiences are usually very personal and very private.

You're staring at yourself
I'm kicking down the walls
For all is naught

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Watch the logic there...that someone does diet, exercise, yoga and meditation does not mean they are being set up for possession. Rather, the article said that those who are set up for possession due to other factors may - after the possession is complete - turn to those things for similar reasons that a car thief may repaint and fix up a stolen car. Does not mean all cars which are repainted and fixed up are stolen. Maybe some owners just want to improve their own cars. Shamanism is definitely an individual path - some handle it well, others get taken down. Neither case excludes the other.

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While my statement about shamanism may be too generalized-what I have witnessed is many practioners getting caught up in power games-bragging about powers attained, using them for personal gain, etc.  While it may be an individualized path-it does require a teacher and genuine teachers are rare-as they currently  are in the path of yoga as well.  What I mean by genuine is someone who isn't out to increase their own power through their students.  I've heard many stories of students being used-even abused by their teachers. I was in contact last summer with a woman who was writing a book on what she went through with a so called shaman and her path of recovery from it.  Perhaps my negative assessment  is distorted by  my own misgivings in regards to what I see as New Age interference in shamanism, i.e., non-indigenous people attempting to take the mantle now and proclaiming themselves as shamanic masters.
   Also,  I think it is more dangerous to go into altered states whether drug induced or shamanically induced such as shamanism   because the programmers are looking for any vulnerability they can use to enter a person and it can be very subtle how they do this. 

I wasn't dissing all shamanism just the corrupted versions of it that I've seen.

In order to see, you have to stop being in the middle of the picture

    -Sri Aurobindo

10 (edited by Ayahuasca 2006-03-08 14:42:57)

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Sira wrote:

While my statement about shamanism may be too generalized-what I have witnessed is many practioners getting caught up in power games-bragging about powers attained, using them for personal gain, etc.

I think what you're saying is definitely correct, but personally I think the human ego is more to blame than the reptilians. And I think that what you're saying applies to most other spiritual 'disciplines' just as much as to shamanism. Absolutely anything that attracts 'followers' will attract people who want to be followed. Personally I don't think that's necessarily a reptilian thing, but an over-inflated ego thing. Stuart calls it Claridad.

But comtemporary shamanism, ie. westerners pretending to be shamans, is without a doubt full of fakers and pretenders trying to come across as important and powerful spiritual teachers. I seriously doubt most of them are reptilians though. But I could be wrong.

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Ayahuasca-Thanks for your observations on ego interference.  I do think, based on my experiences  that negative forces, whether reptilian or otherwise can manipulate the ego-even activate it to perpetuate the illusion of separation/isolation. -esp. when one is on the threshold of breaking through to unitive consciousness.   I've seen this in meditation and it feels like this shell or rather the shell of false personality as Almaas calls it taking over-and I see negative entities behind this manipulation.  I feel this mostly in the solar plexus area.  Can you provide a link to something that elaborates on Claridad?

In order to see, you have to stop being in the middle of the picture

    -Sri Aurobindo

Re: programming during trips

Sira wrote:

Can you provide a link to something that elaborates on Claridad?

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1208

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Drugs aren't a good idea; anything that makes you lose control of your body is bad.

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Ayahuasca-thanks for the claridad link.  I'm currently reviewing a book that will be released in May that describes in one chapter, the author's experience of hanging out with Jose Arguelles-Mr. Harmonic Convergence.  Jose claims that if his 13 moon calendar is not adopted the world will end.  If this isn't a case of being taken over by claridad, I don't know what is.  Jose, even after the author's prodding still held his ground and said his calender is the only way.  If you read his book Time and the Technosphere-he comes off as this messiah that has arrived here to save us.  Since he is so popular in New Age circles, one can only wonder if he is transmitting clairdad to others via his 13 moon memes.

In order to see, you have to stop being in the middle of the picture

    -Sri Aurobindo

15 (edited by holotropic 2006-03-12 14:54:59)

Re: programming during trips

ummm,what to say ...and how to say it.
this is always the challenge.linguistics can be a bit of a bitch.
but i'll start off by saying that the 'etherics' are just one part of the inherent danger with any drugs right now.If one is not in control of their energy-body,best avoid taking drugs with any people,mates,friends - whatever - that you cannot completley vouch for(and i mean completely...)Particularly any drug of the meth-amphetamine nature (esp  meth-cathinone or 'cat')i know the good folk out there for the most part probably dont engage in such metabolic accelerators- but for those that do: beware ..this particular variety of drug is being used by a curious sect of 'humanity' who can directly access your energy body and suck out vast amounts of .. an 'etheric fluid'of sorts,while you are under the influence of the amphetamine-  the level of their skill is quite profound (especially with extented physical contact,like say,a massage)- it  seems to be an old skill of theirs (kinda like putting on an old pair of shoe's) and there seems to be a serious degree mind-control that comes with this unfortunate experience,i.e:often the recollection of the 'sucking event' is rather dim and hazy,unless of course you are truly 'awake' when it happens.These are 'people' doing this,with a stong intention and very good training in whatever this particular art can be called.I know experts when I see them -and these fella's(and ladies) are damn good at what they do.
They attack two centers directly,namely base/sacral and crown.'specially sacral - lots of mojo happening down there!
Their faces tend to change when they are in 'extract' mode - paricularly the jaw-bone changes - gets slightly elongated.f*cking wierd.
..make of it what you will.
p.s - your stomach feels like it has been kicked in afterwards - beserk solar plexus.nb to ground as quick and effectively as possible

Accoss the divide.