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Zarg wrote:

She had a lot of health problems -- she shares them in the chapter heading 'Shitsville' and it looks like she was really under the pile... and not self-induced pain.

She died a few years ago, or should I say made the transition to a higher dimension.

http://www.lynngrabhorn.com/messagefromlynn.htm

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Or are they really dumb to attack you, they get you on a path of their choosing, they get you to "fight" them which makes you consume energy, or if you choose to not fight them you become corrupted by them and lose either way. They are in a win win situation, it is like you are in a prison cell and they want a testimony out of you, and it dosnt matter what testimony and they come to beat you up, either you defend yourself or you dont, either way they will do damage to you and you will to them but they can then withdraw to a fancy 5 star hotel-medic center to take a few weeks rest while the next group lays it on you.

And all the while while they are doing this they get you to focuse on them and how to protect yourself from it instead of getting you to focus on yourself and what you desire to be. In a way they are succeeding because your life turns into a warrior. Meaning that you either defend yourself against them or you dont and they start to slowly turn you into even more what they desire. So, win win for them if you play it like they want to

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Hey Zarg,

That really was a kick ass intro post and summary of the situation here on Earth.  Thanks for writing all that out.  So many things stood out for me and made me nod my head that I'm going to print it.   Your alphabetical summary points serve as an excellent reminder / confirmation for the things that I've learned and know.   Also, you have a good way of taking very hard to describe concepts and explaining them in a well written, to the point, easy to understand way but without being dumbed down.   It's great stuff.   Your life experiences are interesting and you can explain these concepts effortlessly, so it doesn't come across as "teaching."  Have you thought of doing anything with that talent and this material, like putting it out there in some way?

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Prison Planet?

---------Why do you think so, Zarg?
   Why shouldn't we learn more about ourselves, our abilities, about
our wonderful universe? It is so interesting, fascinating, it's just
a cool feeling, man!  Being bored is the worst thing for me but since
i started my "mystery training", boredom cannot get me, at least not
for long. Whenever it creeps in, it's a sign that i start falling in
a 'sleepy' mechanical state of mind. There is no boredom in the
nature, Universe doesn't know it. Every moment is a moment of
creation. It's like in the new testament: "Look, It is all new!" (or
were it the Elevators: "And you look at the world with brand new
eyes")? LOL
  Secondly, there is love behind it. It seems to me that love tends to
give, to extend itself and this process of extension expresses itself
as development, growth, evolution. Evolution of consciousness. (What,
again, could actually be not-consciousness? LOL).
   I also think there is more to it: evolution is a movement to  more
complex forms of consciousness, it's benefits being  more freedom,
more joy, more harmony, more adventure - all cool things, but were
something like evolution possible, if there were not an opposite,
reverse process, sort of degeneration? Could we rise now if the
angels hadn't fallen, metaphorically speaking?  So, what i want to
say is, that i feel it is impossible to stand still in this dynamic
universe,  we're living in the changing, expanding, evolving world,
and if i don't want any development, if i want to keep my routine,
while my environment is going further, then i degenerate!
  I also think this degeneration process outweight the evolution,
there seem to be a movement, a flow to more mechanical forms with
less freedom, less light, less joy etc.
  "We have no choice but to choose, man!"
Consciousness is the only game in town, so you choose every day,
every minute in which "team" you're playing. To me it has nothing to
do with "right" or "wrong", "good"/"evil" categories, the only thing
that counts is heart, love, freedom, intelligence...and adventure!
Where i find it, i am in. -------------

It is of prime importance to recognize that just about everything we've been taught to expect as "normal" in our lives is the stuff of fairy tales and unrealistic dreams.
Theodore Isaac Rubin M.D.

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was going to say the same thing lyra--very well expressed Zarg.  well done.  includes several concepts, or more like it--THE CONCEPTS.   

thank you
zenden

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

21 (edited by Zarg 2006-02-26 17:05:19)

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LYRA wrote:  "Thanks for writing all that out.  So many things stood out for me and made me nod my head that I'm going to print it."

--Does that mean on In2Worlds?  By all means, be my guest... and by the way, I did a long read on the article on Portland, nodding my head as I went, shuddering a bit as I recalled MY narrow brush with that place!! (I never got as far as Portland, thanks to what I figured was something screwing me around, now I think, maybe I was protected. I went thru hell in Mt. Shasta and in Medford, so I turned around that day. It was my last chance to see Northen Calif and the C.O.W. (CA-OR-WA) states before moving to Texas [current affliction]  smile  where even more fun awaited me!) You are right about that place, and it is not surprising as it is VERY near a major Lizzie stronghold -- don't know if it's Reptilian or Vulturite. They control people there just so they don't get curious or wake up!

And to your other observation:  "Have you thought of doing anything with that talent and this material, like putting it out there in some way?"

-- Sure, I'm interested yet don't know where to start -- as you can see, I have not gotten into learning how to do the "inset boxes" for he said/she said... and I apologize: I would like to get to the Forum more often to check posts and share, but it has been a Zoo at work (Quickbooks, ACT, Excel, the network, etc)... so I squeeze posts in when I can -- like today, Sunday.

LYRA -- any ideas or suggestions for ways that I could contribute?

To answer XZENTRICO:  My posting (short as it was)  big_smile  reflects the fact that we are prisoners in an alternate reality, perhaps best called a Virtual Reality [Matrix? -- at the risk of sounding corny or redundant].
This VR exists within the Normal Universe of Light and those of us in here have either been shanghied into it, or have come into it to help bust it up. The VR, I hear, is about to come to an end... it's winding down (entropy).  I really resonate with the Warrior archtype and have no fear of going one-on-one with whomever they send my way -- and have many times (ask me about Mt. Shasta) -- give me another baseball bat!!

Yet, I'm not cocky, just that I know whom I serve and the Light has more power than the enemy does... in fact they are losing ground AND getting desperate. (This is not welcome news to those just starting on their spiritual/metaphysical journey; sorry, yet my mention  is not for melodrama, nor entertainment -- if you are the slightest bit aware that things are not what they seem, it may keep you from having a nervous breakdown when the sh*t hits the fan, as it is 'supposed to' in the next 2-3 years. And then... nothing is cast in concrete and with enough people aware and sustaining the Light, some debacles just might not happen -- already several Cayce and Nostradamus predictions have been averted -- for the period 1975 - 1999. Yes!!)

[Ever notice I say more in parentheses than normal type? So I'll just switch to brackets.]  wink

The fact that it might not happen at all makes me reserved in specifying what could happen, and the fewer people who know about possible happenings, the fewer energies are focused on turning it from a possibility to a probability! The Lizzies love fear and I don't want to feed them.

So I like what you say:  "it is a choice that we can make" -- and we must remember (as Montalk said) we have choices and not just the 2 we have been pesented with.  Think outside the box, choose Light. Go within, ask your Higher Self for an alternative -- They answer when ASKED so as not to 'volunteer' and override your Freewill with what They know They would do.

These next few years are our big chance to finally break the VR deception and it is exciting to know that it IS coming to an end. There are enough high-powered (good) entities here now supporting us in being Matrix Busters that we will only lose if we choose to give up or become apathetic and go down with the Lizzies. What? Read carefully - the Lizzies are on their way out. They will not win. (The earth is too valuabe to other Higher Beings to lose it.) But thru a wrong choice, apathy or indifference, you can lose with them -- they will suck you into their upcoming world because you are not part of the persevering Light force.  Hard to explain: you can't be on the fence, or over in their camp, or you lose.  Again, it's like a vibrational alignment (resonance) with the coming timeline mitosis. Where do you WANT to be? Intend that. (I'm getting ahead of myself and into the upcoming post...)

Thanks for all the comments, I do read them all and it is tailoring how/what I do with the next post I am currently working on -- which is: Now that the "Prison Planet" shoe has been dropped, how about ideas for positive action -- what can an individual do to serve, heal, teach, and make a proactive difference? Not that the Light really needs our "help", but promoting the Light DOES shorten the time to ultimate victory and there are some ways to do that (which I currently use -- and it has kept Chemtrails out of our area, by the way.)

Chemtrails, btw, are not to poison us although they are caustic when they finally descend into the lower atmosphere and enter our water! The AF Reserve is doing it out of Ohio in old C-130s and old 747s in a desperate attept to make up for a loss of 1/3 of the ozone layer. You have not been told of this (no 10 o'clock news) because the ozone layer deficit is causing skin cancer across the planet and the govt doesn't want people to sue or be alarmed ... it was the atomic (atmosphere) testing and A/C fluorocarbons that did it. Don't know everything that is in it, but it has aluminum particles, bromide/bromine salts, and JP8/9 (jet fuel) for starters... they mean well, but you get a 'choice': skin cancer or pulmonary crapitis. Or... you could just intend to not get either one...

Cheers!

Il faut tout voir de la hauteur de 40,000 pieds.

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Zarg wrote:
My posting (short as it was)    reflects the fact that we are prisoners in an alternate reality, perhaps best called a Virtual Reality [Matrix? -- at the risk of sounding corny or redundant].
This VR exists within the Normal Universe of Light and those of us in here have either been shanghied into it, or have come into it to help bust it up. The VR, I hear, is about to come to an end... it's winding down (entropy).

XTC says: 
No it doesn't sound corny to my ears, i seem to understand what you want to say.
Actually it is pretty the same way i see things. The Matrix seems to be more in our minds...i used to call my private piece of the VR "the movie" - it's a virtual "movie" going on in almost everybody's head.
And yes, i know about the bad guys as well. Dragons along the way... funnily enough, VR or the Matrix or how do you call it, lol, seems to use the same pitfalls and techniques: i've just read LipstickMystic's post on "Sex" and thought to myself "huh, it all sounds familiar to me - black helis, psychotic partners, lots of drug addicted and criminal people in my immediate vicinity, psychosomatic health problems, time shifts, blackouts, depression, pure paranoia, and so on and so on. BUT...it's almost over now. I seem to have learned certain lessons in programming and re-programming of my "biocomputer", the results were are definetily worth all the trouble.
IT's the heart that can really see. The choice of the heart is the choice of God. No categorizations or labelling, just an adventure of consciousness on the way with heart.  I also think that "the good guys", They who answer (yes, i do ask and i have a "coach" and a goup of friends "out there" are manifestations of Love, so the only way to reach them is - huh, sounds corny! - by listening to our hearts.

XTC

It is of prime importance to recognize that just about everything we've been taught to expect as "normal" in our lives is the stuff of fairy tales and unrealistic dreams.
Theodore Isaac Rubin M.D.

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Zarg wrote:

LYRA wrote:  "Thanks for writing all that out.  So many things stood out for me and made me nod my head that I'm going to print it."

--Does that mean on In2Worlds?

No, I just meant for my own personal use, you know, print it out with our printer here at home.  (or at work...whichever.  wink  )


Zarg wrote:

and by the way, I did a long read on the article on Portland, nodding my head as I went, shuddering a bit as I recalled MY narrow brush with that place!! (I never got as far as Portland, thanks to what I figured was something screwing me around, now I think, maybe I was protected. I went thru hell in Mt. Shasta and in Medford, so I turned around that day. It was my last chance to see Northen Calif and the C.O.W. (CA-OR-WA) states before moving to Texas [current affliction]  smile  where even more fun awaited me!) You are right about that place, and it is not surprising as it is VERY near a major Lizzie stronghold -- don't know if it's Reptilian or Vulturite. They control people there just so they don't get curious or wake up!

It's cool to hear stuff like this - You mentioned that the Portland area is near a major Lizzie stronghold - I posted a link towards the end of my piece to the personal account of Tom Ringrose, and the Lizzie base he witnessed in Mt. Rainier, Washington.  I knew him personally, and he was extremely psychic, and very sane and on the ball.  Very clued in about this reality.  Just a really, really nice person to be around.  He passed away in August 2005, unfortunately.  But he confirmed exactly what you wrote here.   Anyway, the Portland piece was the first thing on my site to get notable attention, and was posted on the Indigo Rising forum right away by a poster named JP, who has also emailed with me on the side.  After it went up, it got several dozen hits from that forum, and a couple of people posted their own feelings or impressions of either Portland, Oregon, or the Northwest in general.  It's all very interesting.  Also, due to that write up, I've heard from somebody that I email with that upstate NY is also a major hotbed of weird activity.   Tons of UFO stuff galore, as well as poverty, drugs, alcohol and unemployment, and some bad vibes in general that cause the sensitives / empaths to have a negative reaction.

It was my goal with that piece to bring awareness to the idea of paying attention to the vibes and "feel" of an area, positive or negative, and no matter where, not just the Northwest, and also to pay close attention to strange happenings.  And also to confirm for anybody who's visited that area and experienced something strange that they're not alone!  big_smile   So, hopefully it will do just that.    Anyway, you can email me at scorpio948@yahoo.com if you want.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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lyra,
I'm glad to see I could stir things up for you with your post on Indigo Rising about Portland (I'm J.P.).   That was an amazing article as well as your Harry Potter article which I put up long ago and we argued our way through that one too...lol.   So many love Harry and here I go posting some articles that knock that poor boy down.  Without taking this thread too far in another direction... the reason I posted about Harry on that board was that the Pleiadians through Barbara Marciniak have given out many "hints" about those books and how they are NOT what they seem.    So it's cool lyra picked up on that too!

And Zarg, to add something you said about Mt. Shasta, yeah it can be a strange place, I would not doubt that you could go through hell there.   It's one of those places that has book really good and really bad areas.   Even though this seems weird, I do think there is a positive underground ET/Human base there.    But maybe we'll save that for another thread.

John

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PleiadianHealer wrote:

lyra,
I'm glad to see I could stir things up for you with your post on Indigo Rising about Portland (I'm J.P.).   That was an amazing article as well as your Harry Potter article which I put up long ago and we argued our way through that one too...lol.   So many love Harry and here I go posting some articles that knock that poor boy down.  Without taking this thread too far in another direction... the reason I posted about Harry on that board was that the Pleiadians through Barbara Marciniak have given out many "hints" about those books and how they are NOT what they seem.    So it's cool lyra picked up on that too!

Cool!  Yeah, that article has been my bread and butter I think.  The one that's gotten THE most attention, probably because most everybody the world over has either read the Potter books or seen the movies.  It's a HUGELY polarizing piece.  People either love it or hate it.  And when they hate it, they REALLY hate it.  I'd get these emails calling me names, cussing me out, totally mocking me.  It was posted on fark.com and that comprised the bulk of my hate mail.  Since its original posting it's been chopped down a lot, and much more streamlined.  Just better in general.  I can edit other people's stuff really well...just don't ask me to edit my own stuff. big_smile   hehe 

If I might add my cool Mt. Shasta story though while that's being mentioned....

While en route up to Portland, OR, I passed by Mt. Shasta in the middle of the night.  The moon was very bright, possibly even full, or near full, and so the entire mountain was all lit up.  This huge snow covered moonlit dome in the night, it was absolutely AWESOME.

Meanwhile, my cat had been lying in my lap for the entire trip...she hates riding in cars, and gets very droopy, hanging her head over the side of my legs, trying to lie as low as she can.  Nothing will get her up practically.  So we're passing by Mt. Shasta, and I glimpse the moonlit snowcapped dome of magnificence, and I burst out, "WOW KITTY!!!!!   IF ONLY YOU COULD SEE WHAT I'M SEEING NOW!!!!" 

(yes, I talk to my cat.  wink  haha)

So what does my kitty do???

For the first time the entire trip she lifts her head up, wide eyed, and jumps up, looking wildly around out the windshield and side windows, like "WHAT??  WHAT??  WHERE??? WHO???? WHAT???"

big_smile   Oh my god, what a crack up!   She totally understood me!!

She looked around all excited, but didn't "see" what I saw, and then got a confused look on her face and slowly lowered herself back down onto my lap, looking like "hmmm....well okay.....whatever..."  Then went back to being droopy again.

big_smile  I love smart cats.  And Mt. Shasta is a great looking volcanic dome, definitely.  I wish I could have had a chance to spend some time there and poke about, but alas, it wasn't in the cards.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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26 (edited by montalk 2006-02-26 22:03:33)

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[ FYI  --  For what it's worth, Portland and Seattle are near a major earth grid point, as far as I have discovered. This is based on earth grid geometry.

Placing the dodecahedron (soccer ball shape) inside the earth makes its corners touch the surface at 20 evenly spaced points. These points mark one mode of earth's spherical harmonics, or how standing waves are distributed across the surface. This then determines where one set of portals is located.

If one corner of the dodecahedron is aligned with Paris then another corner marks the North pole within 2.3 degrees. I think the discrepancy is due to slight pole shifting since the time Paris was settled. Other points then intersect Hawaii, which Richard Hoagland associates with earth's tetrahedral gridpoint at 19.5 degrees latitude, and two of the grid points illustrated on the controversial Piri Reis map. That suggests this grid's alignment is close enough for horseshoes.

Under this alignment, there is only one grid point that falls within all of North America, one of the few in the world located on land. It is about fifty miles northwest of Spokane, WA. This would make the northwest a primary portal zone. Maybe the alignment is off, or other grids come into play, but I find its proximity to Portland and Seattle interesting in light of the strange annecdotes concerning these places. Paris has the Eiffel Tower, which was hinted in the book Foucault's Pendulum to be constructed at that strategic location to jack into the earth grid, while Seattle has the Space Needle.

You can see a map of the gripoints here and read my article on earth grid research here. I'm still working on this stuff, so once again it's just a "food for thought" or FYI]

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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lyra,
Great Mt. Shasta story!   Next time you get a chance to go up there I hope you bring your kitty to Panther meadow, from what I hear much happens in that area.    There's also an author, Amorah Quan Yin, who lives up there and in one of her book's mentions that there a tree she goes to, she nicknamed the "Christ tree" (or the Jesus tree... or something like that) and she can connect amazing well with Jesus while sitting under it, and it's like a sacred place for her.    Another author, Prem Raja Baba, wrote a book that was "given" to him, while camping on Mt. Shasta ( he too lives up there now) and this is an amazing book, it's called "The Joy Book".   I think he said it was given to him by God (I think you have to read the book to appreciate it... I can't do it much justice here).    And some psychic's who camped on Mt. Shasta and just happened to be in Panther Meadow, also hear the "Lemurians" singing at night... and other strange occurances.    The stories go on and on.

As for me, many years ago I was doing some invocations I found in an Ascension book where I asked to visit Telos, the underground city inside Mt. Shasta and had some wonderful lucid dreams/OBE's where I got a tour of the underground city and also had a chance to meet a man, who I think was the director there.    There were vivid visuals but I couldn't remember the conversations. 

I think I might have made some interesting connections with these dreams and hopefully might get a chance to visit this area soon.   I have been up to that area before but never actually went hiking on the mountain.   

There have also been books written about people who met stranger's on the Mt. while hiking who said they came from inside it (not to mention their dress was a bit strange too).    So much happens in this area, I would love to go up there and try to set up a "meeting" or perhaps just hike up there alot and see what comes of it.   There's a book that really has an amazing amount of energy coming from it (it's channeled), about the beings inside Mt. Shasta.   Here's a link for it.   

http://www.onelight.com/telos/adama.html


J.P.

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Zarg,

That was a great post.  I am curious to know your opinion / clarification on a few things.

Assuming this is a "prison planet", and I agree it appears to be so in many respects, are you saying that we were brought here as some form of punishment for wrongdoing or violation of spiritual law?  If so, what was the violation and when did it occur?  What can we do to remediate ourselves?

What is your view on the concept of "Wanderers", or souls who have already graduated from this level of experience and have returned to assist in the current cycle? 

What, in your mind, is the higher purpose in all of this control and domination?  Or does it serve any higher purpose at all? 

What is your view on the manipulation of timelines which you touched upon?  Is it positive, negative, or neutral in nature?  Could we get back to the "original" timeline, and would we even want to?  What makes one timeline "original" and the others a derivative?

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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To answer Tenetnosce (we've gotta get names we can spell...):

1) No we were not brought here for punishment, per se. More like our vibes got us here (just before the Lizzies) as a 3rd density growing soul, and then they came here and 'locked us in' as it were. Some of us came here to bust their system... hence the Indigos and (good) hybrids.  I also replied to a post by Ayahuasca in the General Discussion on Amitakh Sanford where I digressed into what you are asking about. As for remediation, that is what I am working on currently -- I go away and type/edit my post in Word (except this one)
and then I paste it in.

2) Wanderers are real and are part of the 'system busting' that is going on. They have pretty much replaced the Walk-ins who initially held the fort while the Wanderers and Indigos ramped up. They are as you say, and you have probably met some not knowing it. I have met some, including synthetics and OPs... How? Their auras id them.

3) The purpose of this control (as I said in the Amitakh post/reply) is 3-fold:  keep man in ignorance, in sex and violence, lust anger and fear create energy food for the Lizzies who tend to be energy vampires; to keep mankind from fulfilling his divine potential -- the Lizzies do not have a spiritual component and have limited emotions, so we are a threat to them and they want to suppress mankind all they can; and because it is their nature to control, dominate and subjugate others... this comes thru their DNA as they have done it for a long time and have specifically bred certain strains of their species to be even more warlike than others. (And yet, there are good Lizzies, too, who have met the Attas and turned to the Light.)

By the way, God does not stop this as we are in a Freewill universe. The one next door is not Freewill. When it gets to the point where the investment in this planet may be lost, and upset ongoing timelines, ZP energies and 'affects' across this part of the Galaxy, the Higher Beings DO step in and stop really wayward, destructive actions -- thru what is called the Attas, or beings of LIght.

4) Timelines (TL) -- where does one begin...? There is a lot to say on TLs but to narrow it down, the one we are on has been modified so that Cayce and Nostradamus appear to have been wrong in some of their predictions... they didn't happen (Atlantis rising, WWIII, and a meteor from space into Italy...)  How? Numerous factors.  (a) Some good souls from the 'future' came back and made some modifications, which also means they cannot go back, (b) the seeding of positive thinking, better parts of the New Age, and Light anchors on the planet (i.e., hybrids and advanced souls including Walk-ins) intending/willing the planetary vibration to change for the better... sending Light, and (c) blocking/defeating the Lizzy grid that kept people in an alpha state (or less) , and (d) the appearance of higher souls inspiring mankind in the arts, music, literature...

I have tried twice to come up with a succint description of the physics of TL operations, and the best I can get is like this: stand in a room about 12' wide and put two huge mirros on opposite walls and stand in the middle. Look into one of them -- they reflect and replicate infinitely. Imagine each and all images on both sides of you is a timeline. You are on the one in the middle. What you do affects each of the others. But to break the analogy, and to make it more in synch with real TLs, imagine each replication has at least one thing different in it. Some scenarios do not accrete to a positive vibration and are volitionally collapsed... so start with 1000 say and we go down to say 200-300 -- not all possible variations are viable. But one TL was the original, and the copies tend to be discrete but flawed... resolving their scenarios. Say we get down to 2 others that are positive, life-inducing ... consider what would happen if thru original affinity, they merge with the original TL. Would people disapperar, would you suddenly find yourself seeing things that just briefly were not there 5 minutes ago, and won't be there 5 minutes from now (due to an effect called Timeline Dominance where the merge forces things not in synch with this TL and of a lesser magnitude of energy, to collapse, and the original scene prevails. (These have been called [potential] realm boundry violations and the Higher powers, as one of their duties, oversee this merge so that there isn't total chaos.) Timelines flux and weave, arise and collapse, and bifurcate and merge. A tapestry that is never finished as long as enough souls are making choices and learning. Timelines where learning has stopped are collapsed. This why the totalitarian repressive Orwellian scenario would not survive for long even if created -- life force must create and evolve. The LIzzies are trying to drive the NWO to be such a state that they control. They don't understand that it cannot work. Their systems support entropy and their ultimate demise as well.

Heady, huh? Aren't you glad you asked?  wink

Il faut tout voir de la hauteur de 40,000 pieds.