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Re: Improved health and digestion, TRULY!

Would it be okay to combine nuts with meat? The first article doesn't mention nuts. I would assume it would combine well with meat because it has lots of protein, but do nuts have alot of carbs?

Also, would leafy greens be considered to be in the starch category?

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The first two articles contradict each other... First article says its okay to eat proteins and fats together. The second one says it isn't okay. I'm confused. There are so many contradictions, I don't know what to do. I guess I'll have to experiement.

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Well, it's taken me some time to put some answers together and make a post, but here it is....
plasticportal, I would say it is difficult to always make good combo's, but not impossible. But, what is it that you mean by impossible? I've been messing around with the info and finding out how to make it work by just experimenting. But, you seem to be having difficulty with that. Part of it is trial and error, and on top of that deciding what info and charts to follow. I will say more about that later in this post, but just keep playing with it until you find what works or you give up out of fustration or boredom. wink In any event, you may not see dramatic results unless you are doing FC'g everyday and atleast 95% of the time. Either that or you are already just very healthy and are therefore not noticing a big difference.
I began by making meals very, very simply to just get the feel of combining and how to keep it easy and convenient. Then began adding complexity and interest with flavors once I got the chart and combinations memorized. Nevertheless, I still keep the combinations simple.
Comment: Alot of times I have quit doing something because I made it complicated or because it seemed complicated, or it just wasn't any fun. Either that or I just plain get sidetracked. But, once you get the chart down the rest goes really easy.
The way I approach creating my diet now is actually a culmination of FC'g, raw whole foods balanced with Ayurvedic and Macrobiotic principles of the energy of foods. For instance, like you, when it is cold I like more cooked foods. So, I may steam non-starchy vegetables lightly and eat it with some cooked sprouted beans or some cooked whole grain or starchy vegetable. Like a gruel of rice, barley, and steel cut oats. Or cubed potatoes and carrots with a gravy I made from the cooking broth. a biscuit on the side is good with that.
As far as cooking foods and changing there chemistry, I assume you mean to make something more or less combinable. This will not happen. All heat will ever do to food is destroy nutrients and enzymes, but not change it's molecular nature enough to make it something else. I do have my questions about how "sprouting" effects grains and beans, though. It seems, as I recall, when I read Anne Wigmore and others about raw foods and sprouting it was mentioned somewhere that sprouting a grain made it more vegetable in nature. Also, sprouting beans made them predigested as well as more vegetable in nature. See if you can find anything about any of this. Maybe beans and rice, for example, could be compatible this way.
Anyway, to add to this, I'll give you an example of how I plan a day (and you can extrapolate from this) to make sure I get enough of everything and have a variety of flavors. In the morning I eat some fruit. 30-45min. later, if I am hungry at that point, I eat a protein with a veggies raw or cooked depending on how my body's acid/alkaline balance feels, and depending on if my body feels cool or warm. Or I'll prepare a starch and vegetable.  Even though protein with a little fat seems to carry me through the day longer, sometimes my body feels like it needs a starch for a fresh supply of glucose. Then, later (time interval depending if ate a protein or a starch), I eat some more fruit. Another 30-45 min. later I eat dinner. Protein or starch with another vegetable, again,depending on where my body is at. Then, even later after I've waited long enough, if I want something else after dinner for a snack I grab more fruit or even sometimes break the rules and eat a "healthy" dessert. I like to make a dessert with stevia, NO SUGAR. But, then sometimes I break that rule, but not much. Hehe! It may seem like I eat alot, but my meals are not very big.
Note: The intervals of fruit are a good idea to me because they keep the cells' pH balanced and flushed of toxins, keeps the bowel regular, and provides sugars your body craves. This also really cuts down on any tendency to craving sweets. I've gotten to where I suck the fruit like succulant candy.
I often refer to vegetarian cookbooks and the internet for recipe ideas. Then after I've gotten a feel for what herbs and spices taste good together, I will play around with the combinations and their amounts. I made a couple of posts in the "recipes" thread Montalk started in the humor and fun section. At that point I wasn't practicing FC'g, but the seasoning ideas are still usable. When I get time, though, I'll post some different recipes.
Does this help any so far?

Tom Paine wrote:

Thook--you're right.  I ran across this information many years ago.  It made sense then, but
one has to be constantly vigilant in order to not get carried away by what restaurants and
other people serve you.  The way fast food and other restaurants are set up it's almost
impossible to eat at them without violating the food combining rules.  I got a steak and
green beans yesterday for takeout and got home and noticed that the damn green beans
had SUGAR in them!  It's a f*cking CONSPIRACY of DUMBASSEDNESS.

Hahahahahaha! I agree! It sucks, don't it. That's why I've pretty much quit going out to eat. And if I drink a soda, I find ones without HFCS. What you said about it I had not known. I just remember that it messed with hormones and mimicked fat in the body.

Matthew wrote:

Would it be okay to combine nuts with meat? The first article doesn't mention nuts. I would assume it would combine well with meat because it has lots of protein, but do nuts have alot of carbs?
Also, would leafy greens be considered to be in the starch category?

Matthew wrote:

The first two articles contradict each other... First article says its okay to eat proteins and fats together. The second one says it isn't okay. I'm confused.

First answer, no, nuts do not combine with meat. Most FC'g sites will tell you never combine two proteins in the same meal. It makes sense and works that way for me. The materials that suggest not combining two proteins go on to say different proteins digest at different rates. Even though they are indeed both proteins and require the same pH and hydrochloric acid to digest, animal proteins do take much longer to digest than plant proteins. Therefore, nuts will be held up in the stomach longer than necessary if present with the meat. Digestion rate is something else that you have to take into consideration besides digestive enviroment. 
Second answer, no, nuts contain little to no carbs. Labels I have read say none. But, all protein contains some carbs and all starches contain some protein. Just in different forms. Dr. Kaslow's site explains that.
Third answer, no, leafy greens are high in water content, not starch. The sites do say this pretty clearly. But, if you think about it, you cannot make bread with greens, but you can with potatoes and potato flour, the highest starch vegetable there is. Starch is what is present to make bake goods stick together. In fact, you can make paste with almost any flour. Make sense?
Fourth (a reply), yeah, it is confusing because they do contradict each other. Furthermore, the site that says fats must be eaten with protein doesn't really cover vegetable protein at all and how it relates to what it calls pure fat. It also doesn't mention vegetable fat and how it relates to this issue. So, I will have to get back with you on this, but do some more reading. Maybe you can find something I haven't.
As it stands, I don't eat much, if any, meat. So, almost all of protein comes from eggs, cheese, and nuts and beans. I at this point I'm not eating animal fats with non animal foods, and it seems to be working for me.
I have recently been studying about coconut oil and experimenting with it in my combinations, and it seems to work with vegetable proteins AND starches because it digests differently than most other oils. But, then I may find something later than says this is a no-no. Trial and error. 
In all, I'm still in the process of reconciling all of the info I can compile. But, if any of you all find anything else let me know. My brain is getting racked!!! Oh well, I still feel better than I have in a long time. And I'm still getting to my "natural weight" and my digestion is getting much stronger.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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Wow. I am already noticing a huge difference in the way I feel with this new way of eating. Thanks Thook! I had been eating all the right foods for a long time, but I had not been eating them in the right combinations or at the right times.

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Matthew wrote:

Wow. I am already noticing a huge difference in the way I feel with this new way of eating. Thanks Thook! I had been eating all the right foods for a long time, but I had not been eating them in the right combinations or at the right times.

Well, good for you, Matthew. How long have you been working with the FC'g now? Is it making any more sense to you? If you're feeling better, I'd say you doing something right. Just think, in a month, how even better you're going to feel. The thing I'm finding most interesting, and even funny, is that you get to feeling so much better there is point when you forget how bad you used to feel. Until you make a "transgression"!!! Haha! Even then, you get a good feel for how much your digestion has improved and gotten stronger. That's what I've been experiencing, anyway. On the hand, it also reminds of why I'm doing it. Feel free to ask any more questions if you need someone's input. Again, congratulations!

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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Hey thook---Thanks again for starting this thread!

Aside from the food combining aspect, one of the major things that has made a difference
in my digestion is NOT DRINKING LIQUIDS during or right after meals!!  Wow, I was diluting and
washing away everything good before it had a chance to digest! 

"What would you like to drink with that?"  "Nothing, thank you."
"And what would you like for dessert?"  "Nothing, thank you."

Restaurants don't like to hear that.  Less revenue.

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Yeah, I've gotten some "odd" looks when I say "no drink" and "no dessert". It's like, oh my God! Soooo strange, okay! (think college girl) wink They get a puzzled expression as if they can't believe you actually just said "no".
I had a recipe idea for you all. I've posted it in the "recipes" thread in "humor and fun".

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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How long should I wait before it is "safe" to drink liquid after a meal? I know it is different from person to person, but could I get a rough estimate? Also how long should I wait before eating if I have a glass of water?

This is my fourth day of food combining.

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Matthew--from what I've read in the articles, you can drink water before a fruit meal.
and maybe some 1 hour after.
But with a high protein meal, I would wait a couple of hours.  You know, a sip or two with
the meal but the less the better so you don't dilute the digestive juices.
Water and unsweetened applesauce with cinnamon powder in the morning washes out
the system and gets it ready for a larger meal of protein or carbs at lunchtime.
That's been working for me so far.