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Greetings to you all.

I am an ignorant child learning to learn. I have spent a couple of years reading all of you posts and am a better man for it.

I must first apologize. I have been on this forum for I think two years, maybe shorter, and have read so much and posted so little. I don't post yet because I am in a dark place and am conquering/becoming the dark part still and do not trust my lessons will be learnt for the rightness yet. But every post I have read from here over the past couple of years has helped me in one way or another. And for this I give a huge

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I can't sum up my appreciation using this medium but that will have to suffice for now.

But with that done, I have two serious questions. The first far more serious and important then the second.


Orphicart. The first question is primarily aimed at you. You mentioned something about overcoming crohns disease. I have a good friend not so long ago diagnosed with it. After months and months of suffering and nearly dying. ( yeah "modern medicine" rocks... cough cough ) So any advice you have, ANYTHING, would be so hugely appreciated.
Like what helps. What doesn't help?

Any advice would help. From anyone. My friend Is lovely and passionate and she deserves greatness. I would like to help.


Second question is not of as much importance to me right now but would love to get some advice.
What does one do about censoring oneself?

I find that if I do not then people, even the good ones, push themselves away from me. I find it hard to exist in this life place. But if I do censor myself then I seem to sacrifice other parts of my existence as well.
A novice question I know but your opinions would be appreciated. Though the whole crohns disease thing is more "important" right now.


Thank you all. I respect every one of you.
Enjoy. And be excellant to each other.

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2 Reply by plasticportal (edited by plasticportal 2006-01-11 07:22:19)

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Re: Crohns disease. Please help a thankful boy.

I have no experience with Crohn's disease, but recently I was reading "The Cure for All Diseases" by Dr. Hulda Clark which mentioned something about it.  I'm not sure if you're familiar with her work, but it might contain some helpful information for your friend.  This is what she says about Crohn's disease in this book:


Crohn's Disease

is somewhat more serious because the sores are higher up in
the digestive tract. This is because sheep liver fluke and pancreatic
fluke are commonly the main parasites and these live in the
pancreas and liver. They often spill over into the upper
intestine. Salmonella and Shigella are always part of the picture,
too, as are various amoebae and fungi. The treatment is the
same, kill all parasites and remove all pollutants, especially
wood alcohol in commercial beverages. Healing of the digestive
tract is very quick, often in a week. Reinfection is very quick
too, if the rule about cooking dairy foods is not observed. Keep
up meticulous hand sanitation.

I've omitted the case histories for brevity.  If you're interested in reading more, I believe the book is still under the NR files section.  Maybe this will help, maybe not...

Good luck!

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Marty McFly: Yeah, I know, I got a real problem with that.

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Re: Crohns disease. Please help a thankful boy.

http://www.oxypowder.com/constipation/c … isease.php
This is a colon and bowel cleanse using oxy powder that may help.
Homepathic remedies, best to see a qualified Homeopath for the individual remedy though google "Chron's Homeopathic remedies" for specifics.
And diet and specific herbs like slippery elm and Aloe vera.

http://www.nym.org/healthinfo/docs/103/doc103diet.html
http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=103

Get the person to research it themselves on the net as i find this always works better than recommending things to them, they see affinities and things that we may miss.

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Acidic Ape wrote:

THANK YOU BLESS YOU

smile And you as well.

Acidic Ape wrote:

Any advice would help. From anyone. My friend Is lovely and passionate and she deserves greatness. I would like to help.

Try to keep in mind that there is a part of us which is eternal - the energy body. Some people cannot see it, so 'modern medicine' will treat you as if it does not exist. (Hence the utter ineffectiveness of 'modern medicine')

The energy body is a vibratory frequency of energy and can be affected by many things in the world. What people need to understand is that, as an eternal child of God, we all have the power to heal ourselves. Thought creates reality. This angle may give a new perspective from which to operate.

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Read Jordan Rubin's materials. He has an indredible story to offer. He has capitalized on it more than I think necessary, but what do I know? His info has helped alot of people, though. I ditto reading Hulda Clark and what Xeno says. And bless you as well.

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6 Reply by Xenopope (edited by Xenopope 2006-01-11 15:01:13)

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orphicart wrote:

I recommend reading up on "live foods" acidic and alkaline diets (you want an alkaline diet not an acidic one)

I would second that notion. Here is a small text file I saved which details different foods as to their relation to whether they make the blood more acidic or more alkeline.

Alkeline.txt

kohlrabi - dunno about this one - it's in both lists. XD

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orphicart wrote:

Hope this helps!

Haha. It most certainly does. Thank you so much. That was just a constant stream of undiluted help. Thank you Orphicart, I thought you were the one to ask.

And thank you to the rest of you as well. Iv'e read a little of Dr. Hulda Clark's stuff but that was a while ago now and I had forgotten about that. Would be a second port of call after this thread I believe.

Jordan Rubin is a name I hadn't heard so thank you for that. I will start filtering some of this stuff down.
I intend to put together a bit of "light reading" on all these cleansing goods and dietary habits. A starting point for her. I don't wish to blast her away with more infomation than one can process, So I think maybe I'll just start giving her some names.

Thank you all so much again.
That bit about Cows and dairy is some what frightning. Times like this I go, "Yeah... See... Go the vegetarianism". I'm a vegetarian, obviously after that last coment, and shall be living with her next year so I hope to be able to play a subtle infulence upon her own diet. We'll see.

I shall get straight onto this. If anyone has any more info in the back of their skull muscle please post it if you can.


Have fun and enjoy.

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Green tea has been effective in alleviating some of the symptoms of Crohn's disease.

Google it.  green tea/Crohn's

Whatever, your friend should NOT take cortisone-based meds, particualrly Prednisone.  i have had 3 lovely people in my life suicide while on this s***.  Especially nasty if they're already depressed, which chronic "illness" people of course are.

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Yeah I have a feeling she may be on a cortisone-based one. I will have to find out for sure. I've heard they were nasty but as unaware that they were that bad.

And well green tea rocks anyway. I love the stuff. My parents brought back a whole lot from China and it's so good, sure beats the cheap little bags I'm used to. So I'll try and push.... well convince her into drinking a bit more of that. Green tea and Ginger is especially good. So many people have a thing against green tea though. Strangeness.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend Mavis, I hope your presence help open her eye to other ways.

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10 Reply by thook (edited by thook 2006-01-11 21:54:51)

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Mavis wrote:

I'm interested in Clark's theory that flukes cause diabetes. I have a young friend who has brittle diabetes but at this point has a closed mind and trusts the doctors sad - she's getting worse!!!

My father died of Crohns disease.

I have a friend who's swears by Clarke's research only because he has put much of into practice treating people with her method's and has seen conclusive results. I have personally seen conclusive results myself treating animals. So, I would consider her work strongly.
As far as your friend is concerned, if she could take something as simple as cinnamon bark she would improve greatly, possibly. Meaning, I don't know the full situation. However, I know an older lady who has strongly believed in herbs as long as I have known her, but her husband poo-pooed them. She couldn't get him to take so much as a vitamin until his diabetes and blood pressure got bad enough and the doctor's meds weren't helping. Namely insulin and blood thinners. Then one day she got him to start taking cinnamon bark and he has been off the meds since. I might add, it did not take hardly anytime to see worthy results.
My condolences for your father's passing.

Matthew
p.s. Oh, and for all folks concerned proteolytic enzymes are wonderful alternative to steroids. Check out Wobenzyme and/or the like.

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First time forum reader, first time forum writer, first time subject of forum.
I can't thank you all enough for your time and advice, especially you 'acidic ape' you could quite possibly be the best future flatmate ever!
You have all given me very interesting and useful advice which I will be researching further,but i really don't know where to start!

I have a lot to say and im not quite sure how to say it so i'll just spout it all out and hopefully i don't miss too much.

I first noticed something wrong in August of last year, started getting tests in September. It wasn't until I was hospitalised in November 13kgs lighter & half dead(i wasn't exactly beefy to start with) that they figured out what was wrong. The amount of pain i went through before that was ridiculous. However my health declined very fast and the medical professionals were testing for relatively un-serious things like celiacs disease, they didn't realise the urgency. I was on a hefty dose of prednisone which they kept me on for a month. I totally agree with you Orphicart it is the steroid from hell i felt completely unbalanced while i was on it and found myself dreaming about giant hamburgers at 3am due to the extreme hunger. That alone didn't work so i was pumped full of Infliximab(a very experimental and new drug) a couple of times which seemed to do the trick.
They now permanently have me on Azathioprene, which i found out is derived from mustard gas. Hmmm im not so sure about that one. I would be interested to know if they had you taking azathioprene, Orphicart
Since i was released from hospital i havn't had any symptoms or pain but i am aware that i will have flare ups in the future so i am extremely grateful for all your information and will be taking some of your advice. Yes acidic ape i will try green tea, you won't have to do much convincing.
I have been told that crohns disease is an immune system disorder, for some reason the immune system basically decides to attack the bowels. It is still being researched and ive found that not much is actually known about it.

I also beleive the mind and body are directly related, i realised why i got this disease while i was in hospital and I don't think the reasons were physical at all. I really needed the wake up call actually, Im still learning how to be more in touch with myself so it took near death to wake me up and get some direction. rest assured i have learnt and feel a whole lot better, even with crohns disease.
Modern medicine did play a part in my recovery but it did focus entirely on the body, the rest was largely ignored. i beleive my determination and positive attitude also played a part, nothing makes you go down hill faster than being all mopey. I really don't agree with the "why me" attitude so many people have, and for some reason expected me to have.

It all is a little intimidating but i will definitely start with green tea. I really don't think i'll be getting into vegetarianism any time soon though, i'm a huge fan of meat. that will take a LOT of convincing. However im always willing to try somethin new and i am definitely interested in all kinds of alternative medicine. The "mustard gas"seems to be working extremely well for now but i'm really not too comfortable with taking something that potent, the doctors told me to wash my hands THOROUGHLY after touching it and to flush the loo twice. It has few side effects but i do wonder about the long term effects, especially on my immune system and my succeptability to illness. it can also cause osteoperosis so I have to have regular bone scans and blood tests (eeeek! needles!) so i will be adding calcium supplements to the mix depending on my results.

Thank you all so much, I wish you all the best

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Ahhahaha. I didn't think you would see this thread Mel, You're not supposed to know I'm nice.
Well I'm glad you have partaken and I hope it wasn't out of line of me. I also hope that there isn't too much stuff here for you. And CURSES! Now you know my sadistic plan to slowly ween you of meat. Alas, I'll have to switch to playing messages to you in your sleep.

And more thanks to the rest of you. I guess you can give Mel info directly now as opposed to my middle man like duties.

Enjoy.

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13 Reply by alushe (edited by alushe 2006-01-15 11:56:58)

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Hey, is this... Mel? Mel? E__n's friend?

Ah, tis Alex here, Acid's friend. I have been on prednisone before, and while it did wonders for the skin condition I was taking it for... boy did I suffer. Mood swings, deep holes, digestive problems ...
Avoid. And take care.

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I'm kicking down the walls
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Orphicart, thats EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO ME! Im so sorry YOU had to go through that. I went to the emergency room because i couldn't hold down water and my mum reckons the doctors thought i was anorexic too. She had to explain the whole thing and tell them about all the tests i'd been having before they took me seriously. I personally don't really remember i was concentrating too hard on not puking. People seem to get it when they're young, im 19 and the doctors told me about a 20 year old guy who had aparently just been discharged when i arrived. He also nearly had his bowels removed. Everyone i talk to seems to know someone with crohns so its surprising that it would have to get to the emergency room stage before it gets diagnosed. I can't beleive that doctor told you to ''go home and eat" thats truly disgusting. Eating is awesome. I gained 10kgs in a month i was so thrilled to be able to eat again.
I can totally relate to the stabbing lava knife pain and i wish that noone else would have to go through that. Especially for so long. Thank you so much for all the information you have given me i am truly grateful.
I havn't yet noticed that i bruise easily but i do have issues with being in the sun, although i always did being a redhead.
I found out how hardcore azathioprene really was when i was watching a program about organ transplants on tv a while ago, not surprisingly the doctors didn't tell me all those gory details.

acidic Ape, blame your girfriend for telling me about the forum. I knew as soon as i read it that i wasn't supposed to, so i had to reply of course just to embarass you. Hahaha now i know your secret. YOUR NICE!!. It really wasn't out of line at all, in fact it was rediculously sweet and caring of you. However good luck with your plan!! im getting a lock on my door, i won't have anti meat messages disrupting my sleep!

hey Alex howzit going. yep this is Mel E_n's friend, i definitely will be avoiding prednisone. I remember several nights being awake until 5am, the gigantic ankles, pimples, mood swings, general crazyness. Not good. You take care also.