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Topic: Tips From An Editor

This thread is for people who want to write better. 

Oops, that wasn;t very well written, was it? big_smile  How about,
"This thread is for people who want to improve their writing skills."  I think we all do need this, including myself, but it's more important to some than to others.

I've worked as an editor for a decade and have written a lot myself, although I've been more interested in exploring different grenres (translation: reading)  than in getting published.  I
did graduate work in English with a Concentration in Creative Writing at San Francisco State University, which has one of the top programs for this in the country. 

Just now, I was editing some of my own stuff, and I realized the main secret of writing well.  Can anyone guess what it is?

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itz wat da ego sees

If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it.
Emerson Pugh

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Postitivone wrote:

itz wat da ego sees

So you think writing well is an ego thing?   That there aren't principles involved, as in any other discipline?

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When Shakespeare wrote, can you understand his orginal writings?
It's all a matter of the collective ego.

If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it.
Emerson Pugh

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Jen wrote:

Just now, I was editing some of my own stuff, and I realized the main secret of writing well.  Can anyone guess what it is?

How many guesses before you reveal the answer?
My guess is- get rid of the ego, make it understandable to many.(I'm not saying you are egotistical, just speaking in general to all writers)

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how about: write for your audience

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Postitivone wrote:

When Shakespeare wrote, can you understand his orginal writings?
It's all a matter of the collective ego.

Most of Shakespeare's plays are performed as he originally wrote them.  The writing is timeless.

Here's one of my favorite Shakespeare poems:

Come away, come away, Death

     Come away, come away, death,
And in sad cypress let me be laid;
     Fly away, fly away, breath;
I am slain by a fair cruel maid.
My shroud of white, stuck all with yew,
            O prepare it;

My part of death no one so true
            Did share it.

     Not a flower, not a flower sweet,
On my black coffin let there be strown:
     Not a friend, not a friend greet
My poor corpse where my bones shall be thrown:
A thousand thousand sighs to save,
     Lay me, O, where
Sad true lover never find my grave,
     To weep there.
                                 (Twelfth Night, I I, 4)

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seemefly wrote:
Jen wrote:

Just now, I was editing some of my own stuff, and I realized the main secret of writing well.  Can anyone guess what it is?

How many guesses before you reveal the answer?
My guess is- get rid of the ego, make it understandable to many.(I'm not saying you are egotistical, just speaking in general to all writers)

Um, a couple more guesses, I guess smile  Or if there are no more guesses, I'll reveal it.

the answer has to do with a more technical aspect of writing than you gave--which however is connected to the soul aspect.

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I think the secret to write the same way you would talk.  Well maybe clean it up a little, but good writing is no more formal than good speech, although it can be better organized.

Anyway that's what I learned a few years ago.

And now it's easier because it's considered okay to just split infinitives even in writing!

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artichoke wrote:

I think the secret to write the same way you would talk.  Well maybe clean it up a little, but good writing is no more formal than good speech, although it can be better organized.
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Good point! For me this seems difficult to do for some reason. Perhaps because I am not able to see feedback (facial expressions, etc.) and I'm not sure if what I'm expressing is being understood by the reader, in the exact manner I've intended.

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Naturalness is important, yes, but of course, what is natural to one person is unnatural to another.  We speak differently just as we write differently. There are people, but not very many, whose speech is
as precise and concise as written speech ideally would be. They sound natural, because it comes naturally to them, but again, this is not the norm for most people.

I was surprised the first time i was sent an interview for editing. I had assumed that the many interviews I'd read were verbatim exchanges.  Nope!  I had to edit the run-on sentences, the repetition, and cut out the a lot of words.  And I've done the same with every single interview I've edited since then.

So yes, artichoke, we need to clean it up, as you said, but usually quite a bit more than a "little."

Anyone want to try their hand at revising this sentence?

The question as to whether she would go out with him remained to be seen.

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Jen wrote:

The question as to whether she would go out with him remained to be seen.

To go out with him was questionable.

or,  Snicker! Snort!....Snicker! Snicker! Snort! Snort! lol

To go out with her yet remained a question in his mind. Is he drawn to her by whimsy, or is she his fate? And as fate may have its way, is he to be her bane? Going out wiith her, also, is his wonder.

To go out, or not to go out...that is the question big_smile .

tongue

Now, take on this mess of a sentence--

She had to first be taken into my heart center to transmute her powerful, powerful sense of unabandonment where others' welfare was concerned.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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LOL...very funny, Auendove!

Actually, I LOL'ed when I first posted that sentence for
revision--it's so terrible.  I would revise it thusly:  She wasn't sure she wanted to go out with him.

Let's see what others come up with in revising your mess of a sentence!

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Jen wrote:

LOL...very funny, Auendove!

True.


The shortest sentence I ever wrote, I just wrote. It was soooo uncomplicated....

ROTFLMAO!!!

Happy New Year, Sisterella!

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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Auendove wrote:
Jen wrote:

LOL...very funny, Auendove!

True.


The shortest sentence I ever wrote, I just wrote. It was soooo uncomplicated....

ROTFLMAO!!!

Well, it is relatively short and uncomplicated now:

She had to first be taken into my heart center to transmute her powerful, powerful sense of unabandonment where others' welfare was concerned. = I took her into my heart and helped to resolve her co-dependent tendencies. 

Sometimes, as an editor, I feel more like a translator. wink

Here's another example, of a sentence I just edited for the
magazine:


Establishing the spectrum of relationships between the basic needs and the grander aspirations of a project is essential.

which I rewrote as:
 

Of primary importance in any project,  is finding a balance between the visionary aspect and the material requirements.

Happy New Year, Sisterella!

Happy New Year to you too, Babe, and all members of NR!