Topic: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

HEllo everyone,
Somehow I landed in this forum. I do have a question. DO WE LIVE IN THE MATRIX???
Can you provide with some solid eveidence/links etc. I did not read the entire section, therefore you can directme to specific threads.
THANKS EVERYONE
TS

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2 (edited by wandering1 2005-12-18 02:06:09)

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

Let's see, "Do we live in the matrix?"  Well, in my opinion, not in the way that is shown in the Matrix movies (unless you look at those films metaphorically).

I think that the standard materialist definition of reality is that we live in a solid world of "stuff" and that intention and will and thoughts cannot affect the material reality unless physical force (like digging a hole in the ground) is used.

However, the understanding of physics has developed and in the 20th century ideas were developed and tested about the observer affecting what is being observed.

That idea can be extended to a point where intention and will has quite a lot to do with what happens in reality.  This can lead to the idea of synchronicities which can be of either a positive or negative nature.  People can post examples but it is really up to each of us to decide if the examples constitute solid evidence.

Then to take things further, there is the idea of levels of consciousness - or different densities and dimensions.  The idea here is that if a being were in a level above the level that we are in, it may be possible for an entity at a higher level to manipulate what is happening at this level. 

I think that the movie "The Forgotten" has some excellent examples of types of manipulation.  I know that it is just a movie but I think that it can be helpful to have common references that people can relate to.

3 (edited by wandering1 2005-12-17 12:38:05)

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

Here is montalk's Matrix Intro from www.montalk.net:

Matrix Intro

What is the Matrix? School or prison, depending on your chosen perspective. On the one hand, it is a hyperdimensional teaching system accelerating your rate of spiritual evolution by providing you with catalytic experiences in response to your thoughts, emotions, and spiritual composition. On the other hand, many of these experiences manifest as predatory forces preying upon your weaknesses. Of course, the only way to prevent being manipulated by these forces is to discover, integrate, and transform your weaknesses into strengths, thereby indirectly accomplishing the higher purpose of the Matrix which is to help you transcend it. Nevertheless, these hyperdimensional predatory forces possess freewill and have their own agenda, which is to expand their power base and sustain themselves by feeding upon humanity’s emotional energies as well as keeping anyone from becoming aware enough to add destabilizing influences to the spiritual prison/farm they are running here on earth. The sum total of their hyperdimensional manipulation system can be termed the “Matrix Control System�  – a school of hard knocks that weakens the spiritually weak and strengthens the spiritually strong, in accordance with their choice to be victims or warriors.

Hyperdimensional Predators:

    * Beyond the human level of evolution are several levels occupied by more sophisticated forms of life, including hostile beings with the ability to transcend space and linear time, read thoughts, manipulate emotions, puppeteer unaware individuals, and project themselves in and out of our physical reality.

    * They require emotional/etheric/vital energy to sustain themselves; mankind has long been their primary food source. They feed upon energies that are in resonance with their own soul vibrations: negative emotions, psychological suffering, and perverted sexual energies. Being greedy as they are, rather than just harvesting naturally occuring energies emitted by those who have freely chosen to engage in lower vibrational behavior, these predators seek to induce ignorance, suffering, and perversion in as many people as possible to maximize their energy harvest. While this isn’t technically a freewill violation (because they can only amplify what latent negative tendencies we already have within us), their forceful milking of energy via the Matrix Control System does constitute an imbalance because it encourages ignorance and slavery instead of awareness and freedom.

Suppression of Awareness:

    * Because hostile hyperdimensional forces have a vested interest in the Matrix Control System, they go to extraordinary lengths to suppress any destabilizing factors that could disrupt their food supply. Anyone who starts the process of waking up and regaining personal power and freedom is immediately targeted. The targeting aims to put him back to sleep, render him powerless, or make him lose faith in continuing his path.

    * When a personal impulse toward freedom occurs, an equal and opposite impulse is set into motion, attracting to the target various negatively synchronistic opportunities to engage in lowering experiences to offset his impulse toward freedom. These include situations that aim to induce fear, distraction, suffering, doubt, depression, indulgence in lower impulses, and self-serving behavior. Sometimes this phenomenon arises naturally from the law of inertia, other times there is active amplification of this counter-impulse by negative hyperdimensional forces to disarm the threat before he gains more power.

    * Other methods of suppression include sabotaging and distracting a targeted individual via people around him who are open to direct manipulation. Anyone who fails to be fully conscious in the present moment can be a puppet for as long as their attention is elsewhere. Lapses of attention are enough for a subconsciosly implanted impulses to result in regrettable words or actions. The majority of people in this world place no priority on awareness or attentiveness, and instead live life in a semi-conscious dream state that makes them very prone to being pawns of the Matrix Control System. Some are born with insufficient levels of individualized consciousness to ever experience a lucid moment, and it is these who form the primary class of Matrix agents, the rest of functioning as agents only part of the time when we fail to watch ourselves. Due to the great quantity of asleep people in the population, the Matrix Control System has no problem finding chesspieces to maneuver into place around a targeted individual.

The Bigger Picture:

    * While we may not be the source of injustices against us, we are the cause of it. The Matrix, even with its level of imbalance and corruption by those freewill entities who have overstepped their place in nature as catalytic firespitters, is nevertheless still a learning program entirely responsive to our own ignorance and weaknesses. It may be a predator’s choice to attack, but it is our choice to accept the attack and succumb to it. The Matrix Control System can only throw us by the elements within us that correspond to its low vibratory nature. Attacks serve to identify our own weaknesses, thus providing focus for where to take the next step on one’s path of spiritual awakening.

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

TruthSeeker wrote:

HEllo everyone,
Somehow I landed in this forum. I do have a question. DO WE LIVE IN THE MATRIX???
Can you provide with some solid eveidence/links etc. I did not read the entire section, therefore you can directme to specific threads.
THANKS EVERYONE
TS

Here's some stuff...

http://archive.tc/?x=8

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

Here's one I found helpful. smile

http://www.bridgeoflove.com/uk/product. … amp;page=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/095388 … p;n=283155

I am as is Void.

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

HEllo Everyone again
Thank you all for the leads.
So my Question is  HOW DO YOU GET OUT?
Thanks
TS

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7 (edited by alushe 2006-02-12 13:46:34)

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

You are already out, you've just forgotten wink

First piece of advice I will give you: Don't despair, don't worry, don't fret uselessly over how to "free yourself".
All answers will come. Once you start on the path, nothing will stop you. You may be delayed, you may slip back into bad habits, but eventually the gnawing in your mind will resurface.

Start by eating healthier. Cut out all sugary, fatty, processed foods.
Watch your thoughts, meditate.
Be open, shun dogma, find your own voice.
Stop watching TV. Try to remove any other perceived "bad" habits.

http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_deve … index.html

You're staring at yourself
I'm kicking down the walls
For all is naught

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

alushe wrote:

Start by eating healthier. Cut out all sugary, fatty, processed foods.

But olive oil is good for health
http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxificat … ve-oil.htm

Bye, Pictus

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Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

If your are referring to olive oils fat content - olive oil has a good fat in it unlike fast food.

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

By "fatty" I was referring to things like fried foods, greaseburgers, fast food etc...

You're staring at yourself
I'm kicking down the walls
For all is naught

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

Let's see what I can add:

The Matrix movie is a metaphor for for this reality.  A metaphor for what??  Well basic principles were relayed in ways that would make sense to the most people possible.  I know it contained some anchors I believe they are called (ideas that trigger a that which is stored deeply inside),  because I felt like I was leaving my body laying in bed the night I saw the movie.  I freaked out imagining what it would have been like to wake up in a "powerplant" from the movie. 

In the movie we are explained to be Bioelectric generetors for an advanced race of computers.   This makes much more sense to humans, then telling them that there negative emotions are the sustenance for a 4D reptilian being.  I don't believe there are many people who even could understand exactly what this means, or how this principle of emotions fueling another being works. 

Well this is harder then I thought, maybe some other time.... smile

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

12 (edited by wandering1 2006-02-13 22:34:54)

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

Capitan wrote:

In the movie we are explained to be Bioelectric generetors for an advanced race of computers.   This makes much more sense to humans, then telling them that there negative emotions are the sustenance for a 4D reptilian being.  I don't believe there are many people who even could understand exactly what this means, or how this principle of emotions fueling another being works.

Yes, the Wachowski brothers went with the artificial intelligence idea rather than the idea of Reptilians/Ethereal negative entities.

The Wachowski brothers were and are almost certainly aware of negative hyperdimensional entities because much of the Matrix movies is likely inspired by "The Invisibles" comic book/graphic novel series by Grant Morrison.  When reading that series, it is easy to see many obvious parallels.

And yes, generically "tapping into energy" I think is easier to understand that feeding on emotional energy which seems to be one of the leading theories for what may be happening here on this planet.

I think that the negative hierarchy may include 3d humans, grays, reptilians (lizzies), and higher level beings that prefer to exist as energy/thought but could take any form they want if they decided to.  These are just some of the major players, because you also hear about the Nordics and the insect like entities.

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

alushe wrote:

You are already out, you've just forgotten wink

First piece of advice I will give you: Don't despair, don't worry, don't fret uselessly over how to "free yourself".
All answers will come. Once you start on the path, nothing will stop you. You may be delayed, you may slip back into bad habits, but eventually the gnawing in your mind will resurface.

Start by eating healthier. Cut out all sugary, fatty, processed foods.
Watch your thoughts, meditate.
Be open, shun dogma, find your own voice.
Stop watching TV. Try to remove any other perceived "bad" habits.

http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_deve … index.html

HEllo ALUSHE

This sounds fanastic"...are already out,You've just forgotten...'
CAN YOU ELABORATE ON this statement.
I do not eat much sugar,and fatty processed foods. Do not watch the TV=TIME THIEF and of course I have bad habits... It takes time to get rid of them.
THANKS
TS

SILVER IS THE ANSWER-GET YOUR FREE ACCOUNT- https://www.498.phoenixdollar.com

Re: QUESTION FROM NEWBIE

TruthSeeker,

I can't really speak for Alushe but I believe what was meant is something along these lines:

Since you're here and asking the questions, you've already been outside the matrix.  At first you will slip back inside the matrix, as in bad habits, bad thought patterns, negativity.  But if your desire for truth is strong, you cannot be trapped forever.  You will slip back from time to time, then awaken again, saying "oops, I forgot" or "oops, I fell back asleep.  How could I do that?"

You will be come able to stay "awake" for longer and longer periods of time.  But it takes practice.

I've come along pretty far myself.  But I still get tricked or lose focus from time to time.  I suppose it's an ongoing exercise / learning experience.

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)