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AB wrote:

In my view, misinterpreting is an effective method of wiping out.

If you accept that there are only so many chances, then yes.  But I know I've misinterpreted more than one positive energy present in my life (misinterpreted it as negative, or as irrelevant), only later to realize it was there to help me expand.

...There's that Indian fable about the blind men who misinterpret the elephant.  The blind man holding the trunk says it is a rope, another who holds the ear says it is a tree--thinking it a great leaf or something, etc., etc.

In that case, the reality of the elephant was not wiped out.  The elephant remained through and after their misinterpretations. 

For the person who never interprets correctly, I guess it's true that the truth might as well have not been there for him to (mis)perceive.  But if one is aware of misperceiving, or is willing to admit that s/he might be wrong, then we have the beginning of something...

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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I know therefore I am ignorant.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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I am bored, therefore I post at NR.

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AB wrote:

"Boredom is the essence of the way" smile

lol

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dreamosis wrote:

Here's an idea for four types of "B" influences as they might be graded:

(1) heralds...a herald is anything that moves--or helps you move--your consciousness inwards.  As Jung said, "He who looks outside sleeps; he who looks inside wakes."  Synchronicities may be heralds, objective art could be, "Lifeline" type of poetry could be.   

(2) heartening...the heartening "B" influence does more than to help you wake, they give you courage to carry on. 

(3) knowledge...the offering of Truth from integral beings.

(4) grace...the suspension of "A" influences upon you, or the action of the Matrix upon you, through the intercession of the Highest Self in response to prayer and impeccability.

(Work in progress).

...This has been in the back of my mind for days now.  I'm only superficially satisfied with what I came up with. 

So I went back to the drawing board.

It's obvious that a "herald" (anything assiting you in waking up) is an arm of "B"-type influence.  Grace, too. 

Looking up definitions always helps me...And the definiton of an influence is: "a power affecting a person, thing, or course of events."

...A more fundamental influence, more fundamental than a direct calling (a herald), is the influence that is consciousness-expanding.

The "consciousness-expanding influence" seems very fundamental to me.  If it (a thought, idea, opinion or energy) expands your perspective, it's probably a "B" influence; if a thought, idea or opinion constricts your perspective, it's probably an "A" influence.

If you ponder this, you might see right away that ideas with labels are almost always constricting.  This is because once an idea takes on a label the idea must be at least roughly defined.  And once a narrowly defined idea is accepted by a person, what tends to happen is that their thought processes do not stray outside of the limits set by their ideology in respect to things related to their ideology.

For instance, if a person identifies with being the dictionary definition of "atheist," they're very unlikely to pay any attention to spiritual information coming their way (because, hey, "I'm an athesist").  Therefore their consciousness restricts.

So, in this, there may be a crude way of determining whether or not information comes from the Matrix (trying to keep you down), or from Source (trying to free you)...Information coming from Source will always add to, or enlarge, your mental categories rather than shrink them.  The energy of the Source is "Yes, and..."  It is inclusive. 

This train of thought quickly reveals the concept of "Evil" to be a consciousness-shrinking concept.  The concept creates a boundary and (may) excuse you from learning more about yourself in your interaction with what you call evil by allowing you to substitute a label in place of organic thought or feeling about them and your relationship to them.

Edit:
Evil is an "evil" concept. smile

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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Thank you Dreamosis- excellent post.

Ideas with labels creates opportunities for prejudice, which in turn diminish and constrict.

Be well.

SW

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SoulfulWanderer wrote:

Ideas with labels creates opportunities for prejudice, which in turn diminish and constrict.

On a literal, metaphysical level, I think ideas-with-labels are very machine-like thoughtforms.  ...Once they're triggered, they crank out nearly the same chain of thoughts every time.  I think, as thoughtforms, they may literally beam the same chain of thoughts into a person's head and cause them to speak the same words almost every time.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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*chuckles*

I just finished reading old posts with the search key word thought form. 

Interesting.

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Dreamosis your post always open my mind up just a bit more.

Lately I've pondered this idea of everything being just lessons contracted into matter.
In the third destiny that is how we learn and are influenced is thru matter.
I see the world as learning and not learning. In my mind anything that is naturally made (like a plant) would have a soul and therefore contains a lesson.
Anything that is man made would be empty, souless, and not containing a lesson.
But the consciousness can't, for the most part, see their difference all we see is matter.

So we try to learn from that which can't teach our higherselves anything.

Here I read this post and apllied this with that, and thought would matter without a soul be A and with a soul B?
Ex.
A car - We can learn alot from studying a car but is our higherself learning, I presume not.
Any animal - We can observe our own lives through an animal it's habits, it's freedom, or lack of it. So that would be food for the soul right?
Or an lifeline like a poem or song , that is an extension of the soul.

You lost me on C I haven't the slightest clue of that.

I would have to ponder this a bit longer to really explain it more, some of my best ideas fly away as I write.

If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it.
Emerson Pugh

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dreamosis wrote:

This train of thought quickly reveals the concept of "Evil" to be a consciousness-shrinking concept.  The concept creates a boundary and (may) excuse you from learning more about yourself in your interaction with what you call evil by allowing you to substitute a label in place of organic thought or feeling about them and your relationship to them.

Edit:
Evil is an "evil" concept. smile-

This is one reason why I disllike the common assumptions about the
Grays--that  they're evil, soulless, out to trap us etc.  How empowering is that?

Same with the OP concept, which may or may not label them "evil", but if they are seen as soulless, with no capacity for good, that's close enough, I think.

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Postitivone wrote:

...Here I read this post and apllied this with that, and thought would matter without a soul be A and with a soul B?

That's an intriguing thought--I think it depends upon what specifically a soul is to you.  Also, the bringers of "B" influences may not have a body! (or matter, as it's normally understood) at all. 

"A" influences could be interpreted as being "soulless" in that they offer no growth opportunities for beings with souls.  But that may not be fully accurate--a person can learn through negative-example, and may use the "gravity" of "A" influences to develop spiritualistic, "B" muscles.  smile  "Resistance-training."

But (I think) I know what you're saying about, Postitivone, about being better able to learn from soul as opposed to non-soul.  I might put it like this: it's easier for us to learn from the real rather than the fake.  "Fake" to me is anything which requires us to lie or dissimulate.  Example: as long as two people continue to hold fake conversations--lying about how they really feel right then, being superficial, talking about things inconsequential to either of them--then there's little chance that those two people will learn or grow together.  Growth requires authenticity, risk..."soul."   

I think it's true, though, that our higher selves gain no knowledge from technologies or from "A" influences.  The higher self has already transcended the Matrix Control System and knows how to discern "A" from "B."  It's comforting to think that.  Some part of you knows the way out...You just have to get out.

Jen wrote:

This is one reason why I disllike the common assumptions about the
Grays--that  they're evil, soulless, out to trap us etc.  How empowering is that?

Same with the OP concept, which may or may not label them "evil", but if they are seen as soulless, with no capacity for good, that's close enough, I think.

I certainly agree that assuming Grays are evil, by labeling them that way, may block a learning of lessons by enabiling somebody to blame Grays for their personal problems.  And, evil is disempowering to the being who is labeled evil because implicit in the evil-label is the feeling that that being is invalid.

Yet, the idea that "There is no evil" is mind-shrinking, too.  Labels, however clumsy they may be, are based upon experiences.  If it were somehow possible to recall the label of evil from the world overnight, there would still be experiences of manipulation, violence, and exploitation. 

If a person dedicates him or herself mentally and emotionally to the idea of "Evil doesn't exist," they're opening themselves up to exploitation in the later likely refusal to comtemplate their experiences of exploitation because it might lead them to the conclusion that the exploitation was done deliberately or semi-deliberately. 

In all of this, though, I'm not arguing for evil.  The trick is to honestly face your experiences without the need for invalidating yourself or others...You simply remove yourself from a situation "that isn't your thing."       

Also, I favor the OP theory.  According to the theory of OPs, OPs aren't soulless.  As the theory goes, organic portals' bodies are inhabited by a group soul instead of a fully individualized soul.  I've seen OPs referred to as "non-soulled," and I might have done it myself.  But that's technically out of sync with the theory, unless you understand "soulled" as meaning possessing an automonous, individual soul.  And, then again, OPs I would say, have individuality, too.  There is the individual filter of their body and mind.  It's their soul aspect that is shared, collective.  Of course, that impacts their body and mind.

I also wouldn't say that an OP has no capacity for good.  But "good" is another can of worms.  smile  According to the OP idea, they're more enmeshed in the top-down system of hyperdimensional control.  Being more enmeshed, there's a greater likelihood they'll produce frustrating experiences with those who are less-enmeshed and want to get free of the control system. 

"OP" is also a label, suggested by the Cassiopaeans, and whose definition has grown out of interpretations of experiences.  As a label it is potentially mind-shrinking, consciousness-constricting. 

...While I won't argue that labels are wholly neutral, and can be used in any way, I will say that what I think is important is whether or not the mind is expanding.  ...If the idea of OPs facilitates adaptation, growth, and a smoother, more peaceful interaction between the world and one's mind--and all that comes without the cost of condemning anyone (constriction)--then the idea is expansive.  If a person has a sufficient level of self-awareness, and is in tune with their feelings, the label is unnecessary.  You know what you feel and don't need to name it.

The fact that ideas, or labels, can be either constrictive or mind-expanding for different people begs a big question...Why?

I think it's possible that some ideas are inherently constrictive...And some inherently mind-expanding.  I can't think of any now.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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Our souls existence in the 3rd destiny would be like a text book. Our souls incarnated to different vessels to learn, like you go thru chapters in a text book. Our final culmination is the end review, human form, in which we try to strenghten our lessons form the previous vessels. This is called logic or conscious.

"B" influences would help to remember and bond our diffrent lessons and "A" influences would be distractions.
After this processes we have our final exam into the 4th destiny.
Now you have to study and pass the exam to graduate so thats why most of ous have multiple lives or "multiple grades".

Just a school type metaphor I had come to mind, kinda helps to see the big picture. I guess 4 destiny is liek grown up life. smile

So ofcourse it's better to review what you learned previously by looking thru the book "B", then lets say clif notes"A".
Semester finals really get to you.:)

If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it.
Emerson Pugh

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Postitivone wrote:

"B" influences would help to remember and bond our diffrent lessons and "A" influences would be distractions.

Well put...The trick is then being aware of being distracted.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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dreamosis wrote:

I certainly agree that assuming Grays are evil, by labeling them that way, may block a learning of lessons by enabiling somebody to blame Grays for their personal problems.  And, evil is disempowering to the being who is labeled evil because implicit in the evil-label is the feeling that that being is invalid.

Yes, good point.  I feel it's best to maintain an attitude of openness to every being we encounter.  It's a matter of focus.  Are we looking for what is right/good, or wrong/bad?  Are we expecting it? This keeps us in duality.  Openness is expansive, fear/judgment is contracting.

As for the dangers in denying evil or expoitation, I think we need to
iunderstand this in the larger context of our soul growth rather than what our ego prefers.  We can grow from any situation, and it's often those most difficult and intense experiences that contribute the most to that growth.  Rather than proclaiming the negativity of a being or an experience, look for the lessons.  This is in sync with what the C's say about this being one infinite school,  it's all lessons. 

Yes, as you said, one can leave a situation rather than labeing it evil. Or we  can transform it.   

Re the OP's, if you believe in the existence of these beings, you will create an experience that fits that belief.  You have proof of your belief, but you've created the proof as well as the belief!

(chuckle)

To me, it's just more important to focus on what I'm creating, rather than spend any time or energy on possible sources of interference.  But if we experience them, then on some level we need that for our growth.  Pain is ultimately a healing mechanism, alerting to us to something we need to change.

I feel that now is the time for all of us to move beyond labels, if we want to move up in vibration and in the dimensions.

I like what Ra said about "winning the game":

RA: Consider the example of a man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for there is no risk. In time/space and in the true color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from the interaction. In a lifetime the cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However your only indication of other-selves cards is to look into the eyes. You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of the game. This game can be won only by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love. It can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you." This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit being-ness totality.

dreamosis wrote:

The fact that ideas, or labels, can be either constrictive or mind-expanding for different people begs a big question...Why?

I think it's possible that some ideas are inherently constrictive...And some inherently mind-expanding.  I can't think of any now.

It all comes down to love or fear and which is dominant in the person at any given time. Ideas in themselves are not intrinsically of either emotion.  Take even the concept of God.  To one person, God is the ultimate reality of existence, to another, it's a curse word and nothing else.  The energy of "God" will be strongly felt in the first person's life but not in the second person's, unless the second one goes through some big changes.  The power resides in the energies we are putting out, rooted in our emotions and our beliefs.

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Jen wrote:

Re the OP's, if you believe in the existence of these beings, you will create an experience that fits that belief.  You have proof of your belief, but you've created the proof as well as the belief!

Since OPs aren't the subject of this thread (and, I know, I brought them up), I won't write a lot on this. 

I agree that belief and proofs can be and are self-created.  I also agree that belief affects reality.  The question of whether belief is more primary than experience, though, is a hard question when you're arguing for transcending labels.  How do you transcend that which is the most primary reality?  If beliefs/labels shape all experience, how do you experience anything without them?   

...Funnily, much of this thread in the last couple of days has been about transcending labels.  Yet, I find myself faced with that big fat question mark now.  Maybe the solution is striking a balance between labels and non-labels...

Jen wrote:

To me, it's just more important to focus on what I'm creating, rather than spend any time or energy on possible sources of interference.

I like this idea, even though it undermines this thread because the thread is mostly about being able to discern and avoid interference.  The idea appeals to me because it's positive, and saying, focus on the positive.  I like being and feeling positive.  The statement assumes, however, a situation in which somebody is able to be creative at all. 

...Here's a metaphor that makes sense to me out the reason behind spending energy on identifying possible sources of interference: Suppose you're a kid and you're building a treehouse in a giant, neat tree in the woods behind your house.  To do it, you're hauling boards and nails and a hammer to the tree.  But somewhere between your house and the tree is a stray, rabid dog.  Everytime you try to pass he barks at you and tries to bite you.  You have to run from him, shoo him away, or clamber up the tree, work, and then wait for him to leave you alone before hauling more boards.  So why not stop and somehow get rid of the dog?  Why be chased by a mean dog everytime you want to be in your treehouse?

There are those who are so distracted or bullied by "A" influences, that they're unable to create.  It may be true that they're creating it all, even the interference, and probably is, but there is still the matter of disentangling the mind from interferences...Sometimes they bite, or drag you by the leg, or scare you away.     

Jen wrote:

It all comes down to love or fear and which is dominant in the person at any given time. Ideas in themselves are not intrinsically of either emotion.

Maybe ideas are intrinsically of some emotion.  Maybe emotion is deeper than thought.  "God hates sinners" is an idea, a classic Fundamental Protestant belief.  It seems to carry a specific emotion.  Maybe it's more true to say that I produce a specific emotion in reaction to hearing and seeing "hate" based upon my history of associations with that word.  I don't know.  I do know that even if I try to say "God hates sinners" with love that I feel a friction.  The intent of love and the idea "God hates sinners" doesn't seem compatible.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.