Topic: an open letter to Neomatrix

Hi,

After reading Neo's letter to Icke I would like to add something about Icke.

Ask yourselves this, where would we be without all the dedicated researchers like maxwell,Icke,tsarion and countless others behind the keyboards. Let us go back to the 50s,60s,70s, yes,mostly dominated by 'contactee stories and UFOs but some conspiricy research. 80s came and the conspiracy field grew bigger, more UFOs,Aliens,Crop circles started to get mainstream. Then came the 90s.......

I switched on the 'Wogan' show as most did at that time. We all knew it was going to be some show.The press reports gave us a small insight as to what to expect but to me what came about was mindblowing. A famous sports presenter claiming to be the son of god in a shellsuit. He predicted earth changes for that particular year (1991) which did not appear and what followed was the most horrific character assassination I have ever witnessed in my country. Icke was clearly undergoing a spiritual emergence or emergency. His Kundalini was blown in Peru and at that time anyone going through such an experience like that would actually think they were the son of god or 'special' or 'chosen' because there were hardly any information about Kundalini and its symptoms (nowadays its rife).
But David soldiered on as a true spiritual warrior, he went deep into reptillian and conspiracy research which took him global. In all my life I have never seen such a strong individual, could you go through what he did? a whole nation ripping the piss out of you (which still goes on today). Many would have crumbled at the first hurdle and many would be sat,shaking in a corner of the room.
I admire this man for his outstanding strength of character, to me he is a pioneer as to what an 'awakened' soul can do.

If there were no David Icke yes, the research would still be at the same level it is now, but to me its not about what he wrote down, its about how he did it. Our collective mind set got a kick up the arse in 1991 and as many ridiculed and laughed, I sat there quitely, in awe as the test of the human spirit went up a notch.

So someone on here writes a message to Icke saying he wont read his stuff anymore....so what, dont read it. I dont bother with his stuff anymore as it doesnt fit the level I believe I am on(dont take this the wrong way BTW).

Q. What is Icke

A.He is here to mop up the rest of the heard when they finally awaken.

Icke's info will be beneficial to you depending on where your at. I am sick to death of this 'Illuminati' crap also, the 'Matrix' is getting boring aswell. We are all getting to a level where we have hit a brick wall. I too feel that there is more to this than a Matrix and a world created out of fear, but why blame Icke for this? stop looking to others for your answers and you may find what your looking for..

Enlightenment is the process of facing yourself.

Balance=Freedom

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In fairness to Icke,  I believe he has always included the message
that it's ultimately all our creation, and that we have the power to turn things around.  And, I applaud him for sharing his ayahuasca experience and the accompanying insights.

Aside from that, he may have created a Frankenstein monster with all the emphasis on the reptilian shapeshifters and related horrors.  This thing now has a hold of him and won't let go, i.e. he's so identified with this stuff, he can't shake that image, and is compelled to keep beating that tired old drum--which ironically, is one example of, "you get what you focus on."

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Martin Gman wrote:

Icke's info will be beneficial to you depending on where your at. I am sick to death of this 'Illuminati' crap also, the 'Matrix' is getting boring aswell. We are all getting to a level where we have hit a brick wall. I too feel that there is more to this than a Matrix and a world created out of fear, but why blame Icke for this? stop looking to others for your answers and you may find what your looking for..

Hi Martin,

Please read my last post on that thread for some clarifications as to my original intent:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 474#p28474

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

4 (edited by Jezreel 2005-12-12 17:36:55)

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I'm not really sure about Icke, maybe he is a disinfo agent working for the PTB?

Most of what he says is correct of course, its the last bit that leads the genuine seeker down the wrong route and turns the masses away from "conspiracy theories". You mention the Rothschilds or 911 to the average person and you may get the reply "oh you have been listening to that nutter David Icke". Who was it that said that the best lies contain an element of truth?.

One of my golden rules is if someone is making money for themselves whilst trying to "save" people, they are not genuine.

I could be wrong though.

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Jezreel wrote:

One of my golden rules is if someone is making money for themselves whilst trying to "save" people, they are not genuine.

I think it's more a question of what is a person DOING with the money they have already collected?   Driving expensive cars and wearing the latest fashions?  Or paying their rent and grocery bills, and investing whatever is left (if anything, which is probably not the case anyway) back into the work?    Most of the people I know who get paid for writing or speaking on worthwhile subjects are NOT making any significant amounts of money from it and still have to rely on other sources of income just to get by. 

If you happen to be fortunate enough to have disposable income(which many of us nowadays aren't), then you're doing a lot more for the world by supporting those people financially than by paying for Cable TV, movies and other pointless entertainments.

Jezreel wrote:

I'm not really sure about Icke, maybe he is a disinfo agent working for the PTB?

Well, who ARE we sure of, if you think about it?  No one.  Playing "who's an agent" is not going to get you anywhere; you'll never know for sure one way or another.  Just pay attention to what people do and what they say, then learn what you can from both the information itself and also from the way and context in which it's being presented.  Even Establishment insiders may have something quite valuable to say, like President Eisenhower's warning, or the military intelligence guy who recently told me flat-out that CNN is 80-90% false information. 

Jezreel wrote:

Most of what he says is correct of course, its the last bit that leads the genuine seeker down the wrong route and turns the masses away from "conspiracy theories". You mention the Rothschilds or 911 to the average person and you may get the reply "oh you have been listening to that nutter David Icke". Who was it that said that the best lies contain an element of truth?.

Which last bit?   The fact that he disputes the official 9/11 story?  Or Rothschilds?  Or tha reptilian thing, maybe?  The fact of the matter is that many of the important points he's hitting on are actually right on the money.  Just because the average person on the street doesn't know anything and will react negatively to the truth doesn't mean you should stay quiet about it.   If they want to play name-calling games that's their problem.  For everyone who foolishly ignores true information just because it's too different from what they're accustomed to hearing, there are others who will pay attention to it and benefit from it.  So always act with those people in mind, not the fools.

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morningsun76 wrote:
Jezreel wrote:

One of my golden rules is if someone is making money for themselves whilst trying to "save" people, they are not genuine.

I think it's more a question of what is a person DOING with the money they have already collected?   Driving expensive cars and wearing the latest fashions?  Or paying their rent and grocery bills, and investing whatever is left (if anything, which is probably not the case anyway) back into the work?    Most of the people I know who get paid for writing or speaking on worthwhile subjects are NOT making any significant amounts of money from it and still have to rely on other sources of income just to get by.

Good points, morningsun76.  It's a matter of personal choice.  It's funny, because while I wouldn't think to charge for my writing, there's no hesitation when it comes to forking over money for others' books and writings.  smile   One cannot apply some black-and-white, across the board "judgment" that anybody who charges for their supposedly helpful material is not genuine.   If it's good stuff, and they worked hard to produce it, and they seem sincere, then they deserve the money, in my opinion. 

Again, it's all a matter of personal choice.  I wouldn't feel comfortable charging people for my material, I'd like what I have to say to be free and accessible to as many as possible....but there's no problem regarding others who may charge.   It probably sounds like a weird bias, but again, it's all about personal choice. 

These people have to earn a living someway, like morningsun76 said.  And if you can see that these people aren't living in the lap of luxury, then what does that tell you?   If they seem sincere and genuine, I'd like to toss them some money, help them out.   They did more to earn it after all then the homeless people I give money to on the street.  And if I give money to them, why not to the authors who exerted all that time, energy and effort into writing a book that becomes a treasured favorite of mine, amply highlighted and oft-referenced and maybe even quoted and recommended?   

If one is going to "assess", then you have to do it on an individual basis.   Look at each author separately.  You can't lump 'em all in the same boat and then dismiss them all as being non-genuine just because they earn money from their writing. 


Anyway, that's all I have to say, morningsun76 already said the rest, rather well....

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David Icke seems interesting but sometimes his ideas sound a little bit off to me.


Let me give you an example.


He makes the statement that if someone takes out a mortgage for 50,000 pounds from the bank, that after 25 years they will have paid 150,000 pounds back, which is probably true. He claims this is a scam. But I don't see it that way because adults should be allowed to enter binding contracts.

The real problem with the monetary system is the lack of competition.
Lincoln and Kennedy both introduced competing, government run, monetary systems.
2004 Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik wanted to do the same thing.


The problem, for me, regarding his work is that if his writing seems off for things I know a little bit about, how off is it for the things I know nothing about ?

8 (edited by lyra 2005-12-13 08:29:14)

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google wrote:

David Icke seems interesting but sometimes his ideas sound a little bit off to me.


Let me give you an example.


He makes the statement that if someone takes out a mortgage for 50,000 pounds from the bank, that after 25 years they will have paid 150,000 pounds back, which is probably true.

"Probably true" ?   It is true, it's called interest, and depending on what someone's interest rate is, they could very well pay that much more over the initial cost of their home.


google wrote:

He claims this is a scam. But I don't see it that way because adults should be allowed to enter binding contracts.

???

(picture me shaking my head rapidly back and forth making a funny noise...)

Alright, here it is, Banking 101, the simplified version.  And I don't claim to know that much about banking and economics, (I never paid attention to whatever bit they taught us in school, and what I do know is all self taught) which means others could do a far better job of it, absolutely, but in summary, interest is a scam because they're charging interest on money that technically doesn't exist in the first place.

Money is fictitious.  It's money that is the scam here, not binding contracts.

As Icke explains it in one of his books - and he's not the only one out there saying this, btw, in fact, far from it, he's not original in this regard -
You're sitting there at the bank, taking out a "loan" so you can buy a home, and the person sitting at the desk taps a few keys on their computer, and ouila, they've generated "money" for you literally, out of thin air, and before you even stand up to shake hands and walk out the door back to your car, they're already charging you interest on it.......interest on something that doesn't even exist. 

And that interest serves NO other purpose other than to generate profit for the powers that be, those who control the banks and the money flow and the interest rates and the world economy.

That's it in a nutshell. 

I put off researching the money thing for a long time, because as a chick, it wasn't interesting to me.  I'll be honest here.   I could care less.  But recently I pulled out my Jim Marrs and David Icke and William Bramley books, and looked all kinds of things up online regarding the Federal Reserve, and I taught myself.   I learned all the basics, enough to understand what's going on here.   It's highly recommended that everybody do this.  We need to understand the workings of our own system.  It should bother you if you slave away half your life for something but then don't understand how it actually works, and don't see that it's a scam. 

If you're in the U.S., research the Federal Reserve. Research the link between the Federal Reserve and the Great Depression;  the gold and silver standard, etc. and so on.


Google wrote:

The real problem with the monetary system is the lack of competition.
Lincoln and Kennedy both introduced competing, government run, monetary systems.
2004 Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik wanted to do the same thing. "

Uhhhhh....no.   The real problem is that money isn't real, and it's backed by absolutely nothing.  It's illusory pieces of paper that mean nothing.  The Federal Reserve prints endless amounts of it, and we in turn use it to obtain goods. 

It's the equivelant of taking a scrap of paper and handing it to a car dealer in exchange for a new Ferrari.  That's how ridiculous and illusory money has gotten.   If those pieces of paper were backed by gold, or even silver, then it would be okay.  But they're not.   Paper money is no more valuable then a scrap of paper you pull out of yesterday's trash.  Splashed with spilled coffee.  Coated in pencil shavings.  Wrapped in a browned banana peel.

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You get the idea.


google wrote:

The problem, for me, regarding his work is that if his writing seems off for things I know a little bit about,

Wait wait wait...........................it "seems" off for things that you admit you know only "a little" about.   Who's fault is that?   You can always go edcuate yourself on this subject to verify once and for all whether he's saying something legitimate.   Then you'll know. 


google wrote:

how off is it for the things I know nothing about ?

I don't know.................but you could go get yourself educated about those things you know nothing about and found out now, couldn't you?  It's not his fault that you're not aware of the things he talks about.   And to make an insinuation that his material is probably wrong because you're not edcuated in those subjects he discusses, and therefore, are unable to prove to yourself whether it's valid is just pure fallacy.  It's bad logic and fallacious thinking.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Jezreel wrote:

One of my golden rules is if someone is making money for themselves whilst trying to "save" people, they are not genuine.

I could be wrong though.

I'd be very interested if you could name one single person that's writing books that isn't making at least a small amount of money for themselves.

Your golden rule would probably make almost every single person that's ever published a spiritual/self development book ungenuine!

So I'm afraid I have to disagree with your golden rule in a big way. Here's a good article I once found on the subject of spirituality and money:

http://www.shamanic.net/articles/spiritmoney.html

"There are some who have a belief that any kind of monetary exchange for a spiritual service is somehow unethical. I am curious when presented with this particular world view. I ask of the person what they themselves do to earn an income. And, if this occupation of theirs is not the expression of their spiritual service in the world, then why are they wasting their time doing something, merely for money, which is NOT their Spirit's Calling? Personally, I cannot conceive of spending a significant portion of my waking life in the pursuit of money, let alone doing something which has no relevance to the purpose of my Being!

Andy

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I'm well award of how the monetary system works.

Why is it fraud if the nature of the monetary system is common knowledge ?


With the exception of paying tax, nobody is forcing me to use it.

I enter into a contract with the bank, voluntarily, without the use of force or fraud.

How is this a scam ?

I defend the right of people to enter into binding contracts. 


Fractional reserve banking is a known scam that people knowingly buy into.
The problem is that it is the only scam we can buy into.
It is a monopoly.

The real scam is that I am forced to pay tax with a currency I may not want to use since  a monopoly has been given to the Federal reserve.

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google wrote:

I'm well award of how the monetary system works.

Why is it fraud if the nature of the monetary system is common knowledge ?

But that's the problem! It's not common knowledge. 99% of the population have no idea they're being taken for a sucker.

If the whole world were to suddenly find out the real truth, governments would be toppled within days. If Only!!

Yes the knowledge is out there. But few people read it, and even fewer actually believe it.

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Ayahuasca wrote:
google wrote:

I'm well award of how the monetary system works.

Why is it fraud if the nature of the monetary system is common knowledge ?

But that's the problem! It's not common knowledge. 99% of the population have no idea they're being taken for a sucker.

If the whole world were to suddenly find out the real truth, governments would be toppled within days. If Only!!

Yes the knowledge is out there. But few people read it, and even fewer actually believe it.

I completely agree.

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google wrote:

I'm well award of how the monetary system works.

Well to be honest, I wasn't seeing that in your post.  It seemed, based on what you wrote, that you weren't sure about it all, using words like "probably" and admitting that these are subjects you know just a little bit about, and concluding that adults should be allowed to enter into binding contracts, as if that was the heart of the issue, rather than the nature of money itself.  So anyway, miscommunication I guess.



google wrote:

Why is it fraud if the nature of the monetary system is common knowledge ?


With the exception of paying tax, nobody is forcing me to use it.

I enter into a contract with the bank, voluntarily, without the use of force or fraud.

How is this a scam ?

I defend the right of people to enter into binding contracts.

All good points.  It boils down to word usage then.  The nature of money is a joke, but is it technically "fraud" or a "scam" when the information is out there?   I guess not.  So maybe it's all about finding a better word than fraud or scam to sum up the deception that's taking place here.

Because admit it, there is a form of deception happening....but yet again, the information is out there.   

The deception occurs through "lying by ommision."  When our schools, and system in general don't tell us the full story when we're growing up so that we'll fully comprehend what the deal is.   Knowledge is a two way street, ultimately, and we're equally responsible for educating ourselves as they are responsible for telling us about the system they've set up for us.

But they don't disclose all the details, and we in turn don't bother to learn.   We don't care.  And by the time we do care, it's possibly too late.  That's our own fault, not theirs.   But let's admit it, it would be nice if they would've told us.....and more importantly, given us other options.  So yes, I get now what you were saying about the monopoly thing, and you're right.

The kicker is, what would happen if we all tried to implement a bartering system, something where goods were exchanged for something of equal worth?  Ha!  They'd never have it.  Or how about getting rid of the Federal Reserve, and getting us back on the gold/silver standard?  Ha!  Right, that's the stuff of assasinations.   So yeah, you're right about that.

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That's a great article, Ayahuasca, thank you very much for the link.

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Another article that I read on Rense ages ago demonstrates what a scam mortgages are, and why most people don't realise it's scam because of how they're programmed.

My Meeting With A Mortgage Broker
By Kentroversy
7-27-5

The following is the true story of how I showed my wife the truth behind the home mortgage swindle that all Federal Reserve Banks play upon people whose humble desire is to one day own a home of their own. As all financial statistics indicate, for most people, their home is their largest investment. Unfortunately, for most of them, that same home is also their biggest liability. This is because of the 360 payments that must be made over the course of thirty-years, in which the same home is paid for nearly three-times over, just so the individual can enjoy living in one home.

Read full article: http://www.rense.com/general67/MORT.HTM

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