An open letter to David Icke. (Page 5 of 10)

Well, shit. I didn't know it was you! Thanks for the correction, though.

So, you're a guy, and I'm the editor of the Montalk website. Nothing wrong with a bit of role play now and again, eh?

Well, maybe. Who knows? Doesn't really matter if she is or not. Just makes a difference to you in how you deal with what was said. If you don't agree with it, then you're not threatened by the possibility of it being a potential truth, therefore you might just as well ignore it.

Well, good! Because I was just going to suggest that you take it to e-mail if you really want to "have at ye" with each other. Maybe you have some negative energy bottled up that you need to release, and having a good argument often works wonders for that Otherwise such heated debate will just make you feel like shit.

I do have friendly feelings for you, lyra, as well as some critical ones.
I read a lot of your posts, and enjoy a lot of them. You certainly help keep this forum lively. 

In another forum, someone made a similar comment to me--implying that I needed to get over myself.  In her case, I don't think she had any friendly feelings toward me at all.  But, I mulled over her words and I realized that there was indeed part of me that needed to feel "special" and above the steaming masses, and that I was unconsciously putting that energy out there.  Ultimately, I was grateful to her for making me more aware of this.

I guess that's what I saw in your remark here:

That's really where I was coming from.  You can do with it what you will. I think Christine B. had good insight into it all (thanks, Christine).
Neomatrix made good points too, about conflict resolution.

Peace,

Jen

As an outsider to this argument, although no outsider to argument in recent days,
the "tangent" going on here calls for me to end my outsider status and speak out.

First, I'll plug my folded $2 bill thread and mention that what's going on here isn't
different in "spirit" to what I was hoping to dissuade, albeit not tactfully enough...

Off-topic discourse DISturbs the COURSE of the thread, which is hopefully clearly
defined somehow by the subject and/or body of the "root" post. Tangents are ok!

Tangent - a thin comment that touches the main topic, but in an infinitesimal way.
These can be valuable by causing another to provide additional on-topic dialogue.

Not to be left out are the numerous times I've personally found a new, interesting
avenue of research, with new, valuable connections, by link-clicking at Wikipedia.

However, when a discourse develops that could perhaps devalue the thread, thus
decreasing viewership, even the argument winner doesn't win. Advancement lost.

lyra, both AVA and I agree that Jen's comment was justified by your "back-pats".
Sometimes, one must be humble when they don't want to be to 'stay the course'.

What's so great about being humble, though? And what's so bad about making mention of whatever abilities or talents you think you might have? Must we all be meek, submissive, and silent about our uniqueness? Did Lyra's assertion about the manner and easy recognition of her writing style bring up feelings of inferiority when thinking about your own? Are you really just wanting her to shut up merely to make yourselves feel better?

Not taking sides here, but whenever someone makes a clearly emotional response to something that's been presented to them, then there's often an emotional agenda hidden beneath.

P.S. Reason: that was a really great post, and very enlightening. Up until now I'd bought into Icke's semi-regular rants about how little cash he has to go around, and how tight his budget is, and how it's a miracle he can even afford to pay for a web server every month. I should have known better, and not been fooled. So thanks for sharing that little story. Very eye opening

Okay, just as long as we're clear that her journey is not your own. There's nothing wrong in how we choose to use words, and nothing wrong in making comparisons with others. It's only odious to you if you accept that belief as a truth (regardless of what they, whoever they are, say). And not everyone will, so not everyone will see it the same way

I agree with Neomatrix there... if you already have insecurities, inferiority complexes, personal bias, emotional agendas, etc... then the most trivial things can trigger you into going on the attack. Especially during times like now when lunacy is naturally and predictably heightened. As long as I'm comfortable, accepting, forgiving, and understanding of myself, I can be the same with others.

Haha, new members not familiar with the regular ups and downs of this forum are probably wondering what the hell is going on. Neomatrix, since this is your thread, if you want this last round of off-topic posts deleted, give me the word.

Putting your light under a bushel serves nobody, least of all yourself.

In the words of U2, we're one, but we're not the same.

Being recognized for our gifts and talents is one of the most gratifying experiences a human can have; it's the need for recognition that causes problems.

What I have observed on NR lately is a lot of people that are looking for validation, and when they don't get the validation they are looking for, they throw a hissy-fit.  Oh well, such is life.

If somebody happens to be a great writer, or musician, or whatever, then I am going to tell them that.  And I would hope that they respond by saying "Thank you, I know."

Self-denial is not humility, it is selfishness.