An open letter to David Icke. (Page 4 of 10)

Can someone post a link to the Icke forum?

Thanks.

Read the link to the Icke forum.

Funny how people can get all bent out of shape just because someone expressed their opinion, this case in the form of a letter to Icke.  It's his opinion, take it or leave it.  And for what its worth, he was right-on.  Personally I would have been not-so-nice about it.

Glad to see someone finally came along over there and set the record straight on the author -- from the posting style I'm guessing it might have been HB but I may be wrong.  Anyway, thanks to whoever that was.

Solutions is really the bottom line here.  There don't appear to be any offered.  And if Icke ever gives us good solutions, he should certainly be the first to start getting those solutions underway.  A man should certainly practice what he teaches, or it's just more hypocracy.  (If it were my decision, Bush and co. would have lead the front lines in Iraq and been the first, and probably last, of our casualties)

Simply put, Icke deserves partial credit (along with Alex and others) for waking people up.  But that is where their great legends seem to end.  Now if only they could muster some of their energies into helping us discover how to fix this mess.  I've had enough of tree-hugging and calling senators.  It dont work, plain and simple - another waste of energy.  Pretending it doesnt exist because I'm infinite love doesnt appear to work either.  Nice try though.

Neomatrix recently nailed exactly what I said on the first page -- time is short.  Wait for the masses, we all die slaves.   I'd be glad to wait for them if we had time, but its very obvious that we don't.  So do not forget the masses let this happen in the first place.

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For what it's worth, I'll post an analogy I used on another forum.  It seemed to help some people get it:

You're in a house on fire, full of people.  Its burning down, it's inevitable.  For whatever reason you and a few others wake up.  You try and try to wake the others, but to no avail.  You now have some choices.  You can carry the few whom you can carry out to safety (can't carry everyone).  Or, you can stay in the fire trying to wake people -- and everyone dies, both the sleeping and the awake.

Your choice, really.  Sorry for sounding so negative.  The truth is ugly sometimes.

... as this thread and others like it demonstrate, the old adage " opinions are like assholes-everybody's got one " comes to mind! As always a host of valid, balanced points of view inhabit this great forum, just wanted to offer a few tack-ons for your digestion on this matter. A cold, hard 3D reality about David et al is that, disregarding content for a moment, at the core there is COMMERCIAL PRODUCT and vested interest in seeing said product realise a profitable return to enable further COMMERCIAL PRODUCT be made available to realise further profit and so on... At the end of the day, David's work, well intentioned as it may have been, has found a market niche finally, as many of you have so adroitly pointed out, with the "conspiracy" edging ever more mainstream ( by dynamic or design ).So on one level, the perception of David's work stagnating in content differentiation - ney, LOOPING, could arguably be attributed to the demands of attracting market share in this now burgeoning arena of conspiratorially-oriented media, OR he may have entered the "Chapel perilous" of creative authorship within this matrix whereby your body of work's consumer base begins to govern your output...
                                                                             Classic examples abound but the one most pertinent to my field of influence is the music industry. Ever notice, or participated in the dynamic of discovering a cool new indie etc band that few have ever heard of, one whose whole mystique resonates completely with you and is made that little more exciting because your damaged sense of self-worth has fooled you into believing that you are a part of a super-select group of intelligentsia so evolutionarily predisposed to this art that few other souls now on earth could ever hope to understand and fully appreciate? Oh the little internal erections that generates!... for a while... then, lo-and-behold, you flick on MTV et al one night, and there's YOUR guys, the one thing you and that dis-connected inner circle of "Awakened" souls truly "owned", at the exclusion of all un-awakened, useless eaters, up there on eMpTy-V... the f*cking sell-outs!!!! Your morose existence left to ponder how REAL they were before they SOLD-OUT... Dig deep guys, sound/feel familiar?
                                                                            The point being, as stated by many, David's work is more than a little lacking in solution paradigms for sure, but perhaps his assigned role in the divine scheme of things was to "Walmart" all concepts familiar and not-so,into glossier
dossiers for the masses (!), to kind of drag the serfs to the gates of the ivory towers, and leave them to sort out how best to dismantle the gates and the fence that supports them and so on...
                                                                            A few things to consider come from my experience with him personally back in 2k1 when I helped bring him down here to Australia for a rather hectic seminar tour of Aust/New Zealand, something like 12 engagements in 16 days commencing 1 month after 9/11. The intention was to expose his work to as many younger people here as possible, in the hope of affecting those with the vitality necessary to kickstart a shift of sorts, as up until then, David's live raves were delivered primarily via "Financial Freedom" type seminars - you know the type- a bunch of mid-age/elderly folks looking for loopholes in the system to get one back at the man for all those years of lack... never remotely suspecting HOW DEEP the rabbit burrow actually goes, and leaving said seminars with nothing but a shitload less cash than they entered with, and an even tighter fear-induced sphincter than they entered with etc - but I digress!
                                                                             Ticket sales for this tour were moderate at best prior to 9/11, BUT after that little event- EUREKA! Every single phone/email enquiry had the obvious "Is David going to be talking about 9/11?" trip to it, it was utterly amazing to feel the strange sense of quasi-religious fervour emanating from the enquiror when I confirmed the inclusion of data about 9/11, kind of like the MESSIAH will indeed be illuminating you all about this should you be wise enough to attend, and do bring a friend! Witnessing this mentality from his "followers" first-hand, and en-masse woke me up to alot of the behind-the-curtain realities of collating one's beliefs into a product for consumption, and left me with an overwhelming sense of empathy for David himself, and the unassailable trap that such an endeavour can spring on your soul later on.Invariably it seems that once one commits their erg output to product for sale, the purchased result falls victim to any and all perceptual prejudices of the consumer, the intent of the data within becomes questionable because of same, and the "matrix" continues unabated... Anyway, with this impression in mind I arrive at the airport to greet David and his lovely new groupie-turned-wife Pamela, vibrationally nowhere near what I expected- not unlike popstar with bodyguard...The tour commenced in Perth, where the proprietor of B.O.L Aust's handbag was STOLEN, and with it the entire night's takings (nice form from fellow "spiritual truthseekers"!).
                                                                             Beyond any cheap tell-all crap about that fateful tour with David and his "handler", the saddest part for me was witnessing the aftermath of all our efforts (unpaid btw for me personally).The proprietor of B.O.L Aust, who only "earned" that right to trade David's wares with a startup stock commitment of $ 2 5 0 , 0 0 0, and had self-funded the tour, including ALL EXPENSES paid for the "Missus", was treated to an outrageous, slanderous and ultimately life-destroying web rave shutting her down, with the added insult of "never do business with this woman"- the results of which completely bankrupted her... this based on an outstanding p/ment of $ 18k which had 3 weeks left to go per invoice date, p'ment of which she was ready to meet comfortably upon tour expense settlements... One can only wonder where the "spiritual" aspect of David's ethic fits into all this, however I guess we're all here 2 "learn our lessons"!
                                                                            It's been said that most followers/believers/disciples are merely " assholes in search of a body to attach itself to ", so you've gotta enjoy the irony of banter between we "conspiracy buffs" at times about which author etc is "working for the darkside"... maybe the goal of such research is merely to teach us all to THINK, which then leads to positive introspection, partial evolution...and repeat ad infintum- no harm done!
                                                                            In summing up, try not to place your mental/emotional well-being in external data sets, without considering the experiential prejudices of the SOURCE/s of said data.Guess I've kinda learned this the hard (?) way... coffee anyone?

Get over yourself, lyra. 

Jen

.....=(

It's Saturday morning, lyra, not Sunday, and not grim--rather sunny and cheerful--and I'm not starting a flame war, just speaking my mind.  I would imagine there are others here who agree with me that you need to get over yourself, but I doubt they'd want to say so. 

Your boyfriend can delete whatever posts he prefers, and can even delete me, if he chooses.  Whatever happens, happens.

Oh my! What a hornets' nest I have disturbed over there on the Icke forum. And all because I post some ideas and opinions here, in the form of a fictional letter to David, merely because I am frustrated with the lack of meaningful development in many people who have been exposed to his material. No one needs another belief system to defend. Amazing how many folks simply assumed that I am relying on Icke for my own self-development. Anyone who knows me would probably find that idea rather amusing. Almost as amusing as the lack of some people's ability to read between the lines. I guess that'll serve me right for trying to be subliminal and clever.

I suppose I should admit that, when I originally had the idea for this thread, I wasn't even thinking about David Icke himself. But after some consideration I simply decided that, rather than targeting his followers - the conspiracy junkies as I call them - directly, that it might be more fun to write a little essay in the form of a letter to Icke. Now, obviously if the letter itself were really intended for David himself I would simply have e-mailed it to him. But, no. It was supposed to be an OPEN letter to David Icke. And true, I do have a bone to pick with Icke himself for focusing so heavily on third density problems and issues, all of which are of a negative bias, for so long now. If you don't believe me, go and take a look at the headlines page on his website. Some may say that they find his materials empowering - great. But, what exactly have they felt empowered to go and do? How exactly is it making a difference in their lives? What's the point in having access to this material if it doesn't help enable real, workable solutions to the problems that it describes?

You see, knowledge ISN'T power. Power comes from the ability to utilize one's knowledge in a meaningful way.

Thanks to 'PhoenixRising' for her words over on the David Icke forum, and for correcting the wrong assumption as to author of the material

Anyway, at least some purpose has been served in promoting discussion of this particular issue, even if certain folks do just take it as a giddy opportunity to throw around a few not-so-well-chosen insults and curse words. But, hey - you always get the idiots. C'est la vie.