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Re: Mushroom Cloud in Folded $2 Bill

Yes, Lyra, I am severely frustrated by what I feel is a lack of willingness to sleuth all over the world.
Many people think that the only reason to LEARN is if that knowledge can "immediately" be utilized...

I learn for learning's sake. I don't pretend to know if or when something I've learned will be utilized.
When other people post interesting questions, I will often spend hours researching different theories.

I just wish that someone would do that for a question of mine which I consider interesting. So, don't
be so quick to push my tone off as some new moon cycle. I've been feeling this way for far longer!!

Lyra: "What happened to you?   I used to dig you over on the Goro forum.
Something went horribly awry between then and now.   You were never like this over there."

On the since-closed Etemenanki Forum, other people were VERY willing to sleuth. I thrived on that.
Lately, I've been yearning to interact with people who payed as much respect to learning as I do...
People who researched things I mentioned, and as a result taught ME many pieces of knowledge...

I got pretty impatient in Ozgur's thread after waiting a few days for feedback on my $2 bill theory.
Visavis was the only person who said anything. I thought Bhang would have, since back in the day
(Etem. Forum) I posted in his Ocean's 11 thread a bunch of my research. I got really frustrated....

And hence this thread was born. I decided to "come at people" in the hopes that some would have
it within them to "take the challenge", so to speak. I knew some here would NOT like my tone, but
decided that the "pot needed to be stirred" regardless. Slowly but surely this thread will "mature".

You are taking my intensity the wrong way, but I respect your position and understand it. See ya.
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I don't have the time right now, but I have a couple ideas for some General Discussion threads...

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thook wrote:
Human Being wrote:

thook,

Since I am "worried" that noone wants to talk about what a folded $2 could imply,
I have indeed decided that some assertiveness and some brashness is in order...

I want the "theory" presented to receive attention, which didn't happen in the other thread.
Yes, I am being impatient, but I'm prepared to deal with the consequences of my "haste"...

Don't try psychological games, the effort will only be wasted. Talk about the folded $2 bill if interested.

Yes, I see your point and understand your intolerance and impatience. Try to understand that I've been so serious and paranoid for so long I'm burned out. Maybe even too complacent and so tired of the B.S. the seeming PTB keep dishing out I am just not astonished at your finding. But, I will comment how I choose. I am a member of this forum as well. Me an HB, too!

Thanks for the response. I think many around the world are experiencing a "burned out" feeling.
But, we often differ in what it is we're burned out about. Your lack of astonishment is acceptable,
and while you are indeed free to post as you wish, understand that I am driven to research this.
I will be more "calm" as more people contribute to this thread in a way that drives the research,
in a positive direction. I don't wish to hear stuff like "oh it's nothing, move along." (paraphrasing)
I'm not looking for *anything* other than more knowledge and understanding of a folded $2 bill.

Do I *like* being aggressive with people? Some here know from their experiences with me over
at the Etemenanki Forum, that I *don't* like being aggressive with people. But - you should also
recall that on many occasions I didn't hesitate to say what others wanted to say but never did....

All this "meta-debate" is serving a purpose, that will benefit others including myself. But onward.

18 Reply by thook (edited by thook 2005-11-28 19:31:46)

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Cheers! smile
No, I don't think it's nothing either. There is alot in this reality that's not nothing that gets brushed off too quickly. But, it seems to be in terms of relevance to one's life and where they're at. Believe me, I didn't take the three $2 bill incident lightly when it happened. It meant something to me, maybe nobody else.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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For easy reference - http://www.moneyfactory.gov/document.cfm/18/96

The $2 Federal Reserve Note features an engraving of John Trumbull's painting "The Signing of the Declaration of Independence." The original Trumbull painting portrayed 47 people, 42 of whom were signers of the Declaration (there were 56 total). However, because of a limited amount of space on the note, 5 of 47 men in the painting were not included in the engraving.

http://www.americanrevolution.org/declg.gif

I've located a wonderful web page which lists each person in the painting.

http://www.americanrevolution.org/deckey.html

Omitted persons are numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 47, and 48. Information on each:

01 - George Wythe - http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/wyche … #R9U0H1ZK9
Wythe, George (1726-1806) – of Virginia. Born in Elizabeth City County, Va. (now part of Hampton, Va.), 1726. Member of Virginia state legislature, 1758-68; Delegate to Continental Congress from Virginia, 1775-77; signer, Declaration of Independence, 1776; state court judge in Virginia, 1777; member, U.S. Constitutional Convention, 1787; delegate to Virginia state constitutional convention, 1788. Episcopalian. Apparently murdered -- poisoned by his grandnephew -- and died two weeks later, in Richmond, Va., June 8, 1806. Interment at St. John's Churchyard, Richmond, Va. Wythe County, Va. is named for him.

Poisoned.

02 - William Whipple - http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/whipp … #R9V0S1MT2
Whipple, William (1730-1785) – of Portsmouth, Rockingham County, N.H. Born in Kittery, York County, Maine, January 14, 1730. Delegate to Continental Congress from New Hampshire, 1775; signer, Declaration of Independence, 1776; member of New Hampshire Governor's Council, 1776-77; member of New Hampshire state legislature, 1780; justice of New Hampshire state supreme court, 1783-85. Congregationalist. Member, Freemasons. Died November 28, 1785. Interment at North Cemetery, Portsmouth, N.H.

Freemason.

03 - Joseph Bartlett - http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/bartl … #RAV1904O5
Bartlett, Josiah (1729-1795) – of Kingston, Rockingham County, N.H. Born in Amesbury, Essex County, Mass., November 21, 1729. Son of Stephen Bartlett and Hannah (Webster) Bartlett; married, January 15, 1754, to Mary Bartlett; father of Josiah Bartlett, Jr. and Ezra Bartlett; great-grandfather of John Davis O'Rear. Physician; Delegate to Continental Congress from New Hampshire, 1775-76, 1778; signer, Declaration of Independence, 1776; member of New Hampshire Governor's Council, 1776-84; signer, Articles of Confederation, 1779; common pleas court judge in New Hampshire, 1779-82; justice of New Hampshire state supreme court, 1782-90; chief justice of New Hampshire state supreme court, 1790; President of New Hampshire, 1790-93; Presidential Elector for New Hampshire, 1792; delegate to New Hampshire state constitutional convention, 1792; Governor of New Hampshire, 1793-94. Congregationalist. Died in Kingston, Rockingham County, N.H., May 19, 1795. Interment at Plains Cemetery, Kingston, N.H.; statue at Public Square, Amesbury, Mass.

Died 19/5. (international date format for May 19 - 19.5 is a "hyperdimensional" number)

04 - Thomas Lynch - http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/lynch.html#RCZ1AGVDU
Lynch, Thomas, Jr. (1749-1779) – of South Carolina. Born in South Carolina, August 5, 1749. Son of Thomas Lynch, Sr.. Member of South Carolina state legislature, 1776; Delegate to Continental Congress from South Carolina, 1776; signer, Declaration of Independence, 1776. While on an ocean voyage to France, was lost at sea, in the North Atlantic Ocean, 1779; his remains were not recovered.

Lost at sea.

47 - Thomas McKean - http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/mckea … #RAZ0UEQKM
McKean, Thomas (1734-1817) – Born in New London, Chester County, Pa., March 19, 1734. Married to the sister-in-law of Francis Hopkinson. Delegate to Continental Congress from Delaware, 1774; signer, Declaration of Independence, 1776; member of Delaware state legislature, 1776; signer, Articles of Confederation, 1777; chief justice of Pennsylvania state supreme court, 1777-99; Governor of Pennsylvania, 1799-1808. Died June 24, 1817. Interment at Laurel Hill Cemetery, Philadelphia, Pa. McKean County, Pa. is named for him.

Dunno yet.

48 - P. Livingston - http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/livin … #RCZ19AX7T
Livingston, Philip (1716-1778) – of New York, New York County, N.Y. Born in Albany, Albany County, N.Y., January 15, 1716. Grandson of Robert Livingston (1654-1728); nephew of John Livingston, Robert Livingston (1688-1775) and Gilbert Livingston; brother of Robert Livingston (1708-1790), Peter Van Brugh Livingston and William Livingston; first cousin of Robert R. Livingston (1718-1775); uncle by marriage of James Duane, John Cleves Symmes, John Jay, William Duer and John Kean; uncle of Peter R. Livingston, Walter Livingston and Henry Brockholst Livingston; first cousin once removed of Robert R. Livingston (1746-1813) and Edward Livingston; granduncle of Henry Walter Livingston; grandfather of Edward Philip Livingston. Member of New York colonial assembly, 1769; Delegate to Continental Congress from New York, 1775-78; died in office 1778; signer, Declaration of Independence, 1776; member of New York state assembly, 1776; member of New York state senate Southern District, 1777-78; died in office 1778. Presbyterian. Died while attending the sixth session of the Continental Congress in York, York County, Pa., June 12, 1778. Entombed at Prospect Hill Cemetery, York, Pa.

Died in office.

It should be noted that this legend I'm using regards *48* people. The requoted text above
indicates there were 47 people in the "original". So a new question arises: who's the extra?
If the original was used for the engraving, and not the version with 48 people, then a more
likely conclusion is that one of the 6 listed above, is *not* in the original. More questions....

A brief non-tangent - http://www.americanrevolution.org/trumbio.html

I'm going to look into the causes of death of the other people on Trumbull's painting, to see
if those who were *not* omitted experienced a similar proportion of "anomalous deaths"....

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Re: Mushroom Cloud in Folded $2 Bill

Hi Human Being,

I will try to respond in as neutral a way as possible after having read everyone's posts so far. I think in general  conspiracy theories are trivial. That is not to say that they are true or false, but rather the details surrounding them are of little meaning to a greater picture, and higher truth.

I think the best way to give an example of what I mean is with regards to the Cassiopaean Transcripts. I am trying to choose my words carefully because it isn't my purpose or objective to offend anyone, it is only my thoughts and am using this as example to explain better. There are times when questions are asked by Laura and others that have universal meaning, and there are also times when the questions asked are regarding the trivial things I am talking about, such as health, or future money that comes into one's life in a few years time, or how many children one might be expecting to have...etc. They may be important to know in this life at the time, or for (x) number of years, but in one hundred years time, even ten years time or less, their significance and importance will be at or near 0. 

However information that can be obtained which will be relevant in 1000 years, or 1 million years, or even longer. That is the information which I think is truly important - relative to that information which we learn or come across in day to day living while on Earth.

Therefore in discussing conspiracies, although I do believe in some of them myself, I do not see the point in arguing about them and their consequences. The reason is, that this is energy that is being wasted on something that 1) we cannot change, and if we can change will most likely be unaware anyway as it is a conspiracy to begin with; and 2) will no longer matter once we have transcended this life.

Sure I find these theories to be interesting, just like I find other areas of life to be interesting.  Human Being, I do find it fascinating that so many pictures can be found from an image printed on money. If it is real or just by chance then it doesn't matter because one or two things have occurred. Either the artist who originally designed the picture is incredibly clever, and/or; the person who first discovered these alternate images is incredibly creative and has an active imagination at work..... Each of these I think are good.

Vincit omnia Veritas: Truth conquers all.
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Human Being wrote:

For easy reference - http://www.moneyfactory.gov/document.cfm/18/96

The $2 Federal Reserve Note features an engraving of John Trumbull's painting "The Signing of the Declaration of Independence." The original Trumbull painting portrayed 47 people, 42 of whom were signers of the Declaration (there were 56 total). However, because of a limited amount of space on the note, 5 of 47 men in the painting were not included in the engraving.

http://www.americanrevolution.org/declg.gif

Hi HB!

Thank you for toning it down and presenting a more relaxed position......................I will do the same. 

I am curious, who made the decision to not include 5 men in the picture?  The reason given (limited amount of space) does not make sense.  Scaling could have provided the necessary real estate to include all the signers of the constitution.   Mr. Trumbull may have brought up the issue of space vs. resolution but somebody above him made the decision.  I might add "a very conscientious decision" since I feel certain he was not flipping a coin.
I appears to be almost an act of disrespect for those 5 indivuals.

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Hello Matt,

I see your point, and mostly agree. As complex and as controlled as the world is, what greater good can be derived
from "figuring out" part or all of a conspiracy? And yet, that statement strikes me as apathetic - and prejudgmental.

I can appreciate some of the things said by the "Cassiopaeans", but like any other "source" of information, I caution
anyone who would shape their worldview largely "around" what the C's say. Yes, they provide insight on some stuff.

My feelings on what people are interested in, intellectually and spiritually, are that each person has a particular skill
set which suits their interests. Some people are passionate about Aliens, or Government, or Corporation. We differ.

As such, what interests one person will not interest another. What's seen as "fruitful" by some is seen as "trivial" by
others. There isn't enough time for each person to learn about everything that interests them, so the task's shared.

Message boards such as this one are primarily for this sharing of information. I try to help others research things if
the topic interests me. If not, I try to avoid dissent. But, by and large, knowledge IS the synergy of human sharing.

Some people are only interested in a topic if they can "do something about it". Others go beyond that, being critical
of any topic which seems trivial to them. For me, "doing something about it" begins by learning. That is THE start...

We can make estimates of the value of a piece of information, but we aren't always right. What matters more, IMO,
is that we accumulate this information so that the information itself can suggest its own worth; letting truth coalesce.

Some people are uninterested in "falsehood", and that is unfortunate because ALL information, true or false, can be
accumulated with equal respect. Others, are too engrossed by stating and/or proving things false; the "debunker"...

We can have the opinion that discussing conspiracies "doesn't matter". We can think that because the situation isn't
within our power to change, it isn't worth learning about or thinking about. We can think only the "afterlife" matters.

I see those rationales as apathetic. My "mission" as a human being is to learn about existence, not just my own but
that of other entities human and non - not just about what exists and what doesn't, but what could or couldn't exist.

I cannot force others to behave as I do. I know that the "path" I walk is difficult to walk. Many people walk no path.
My quest for knowledge and understanding sometimes entails sharing mine with others, and giving theirs feedback.

Because some people don't see the usefulness of certain segments of knowledge, they assume that pursuance is a
"waste" of energy. It is this premature valuation of knowledge which hinders humanity - learn only what "matters".

Throughout the course of learning about anything, those who desire knowledge will often follow "tangents" towards
a different segment altogether. That's the synergy of knowledge itself; one beginning that leads to several "goals".

When are "we" as a species going to need knowledge the most? I say *right now* but also when *changes* occur.
Until that time, I will not be convinced that learning about conspiracies is wasteful, trivial, pointless, or insignificant.

Those who are interested in truth should absolutely be interested in better understanding the paradigm we exist in.
Throughout humanity's advancement, very powerful individuals have cooperated to perpetrate vast conspiracies...

Yes, I could go on and on, but I think my point has been made well enough and I don't need to make more points.
Matt, I very much appreciate your candor and comments. Perhaps mine will also inspire you to think about all this.

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aha... 33 perfect lines... wink

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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24 Reply by Human Being (edited by Human Being 2005-11-29 07:44:01)

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Perceptive on your part, unintentional on mine.
If you had mentioned the TIME of my "perfect"
posting, then I would genuinely be impressed!!
Furthermore, if you had mentioned the number
of that post is equal to 3 x 3 x 3, I'd say, Wow.

Now if you would like... put that perceptiveness
into use - if not in this thread, in some thread...
It's obvious you are intelligent. Take advantage
of that fact. You're capable of saying alot more.
Have you any actual feedback on my 33 lines??

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Regarding the Declaration of Independence itself, recall that a major motion picture
was recently made about this very document. I saw "National Treasure", and it was
pretty cool as conspiracy movies go. But, it was also "disinformative" as well. Since
Trumbull's painting regards this national treasure, these symbolic connection aren't
a stretch. What *could* be seen as a stretch, is the idea that nuclear weapons ARE
also a "national treasure" of this country. Which in a way brings the symbolism full
circle, pun intended. Perhaps a visual and direct instance of our "planned" future's
the intent of the "designers" of the $2 bill, circa 1976 - the U.S. bicentennial year.
Again this suggests modern decision-makers in this country want the symbolism.
whywhywhy, thanks for the thoughts. Indeed the decision to omit 5 or 6 people
seems "arbitrary" and thus suggests that *someone* made the decision based
on criteria more complex than available space. I hope this thread advances a
possible "answer" to that question and more. Gotta run for now. Good day!!!

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How could nuclear weapons be seen as a "national treasure"?

If you take the cost of producing the weapons, the money paid out to nations and groups of people for damages and the money to safeguard the weapons, there's a treasure of unbelievable size, absolutely incredible amounts of money involved.

This page lists some statistics that are staggering,
http://www.brook.edu/FP/PROJECTS/NUCWCOST/50.HTM 

I'll just post several points here:

1. Cost of the Manhattan Project (through August 1945): $20,000,000,000

SOURCES: Richard G. Hewlett and Oscar E. Anderson, Jr., The New World: A History of the United States Atomic Energy Commission, Volume 1, 1939/1946 (Oak Ridge, Tennessee: U.S. AEC Technical Information Center, 1972), pp. 723-724; Condensed AEC Annual Financial Report, FY 1953 (in Fifteenth Semiannual Report of the Atomic Energy Commission, January 1954, p. 73)

2. Total number of nuclear missiles built, 1951-present: 67,500
....
20. Legal fees paid by the Department of Energy to fight lawsuits from workers and private citizens concerning nuclear weapons production and testing activities, from October 1990 through March 1995: $97,000,000

U.S. Department of Energy

21. Money paid by the State Department to Japan following fallout from the 1954 "Bravo" test: $15,300,000

Barton C. Hacker, Elements of Controversy: The Atomic Energy Commission and Radiation Safety in Nuclear Weapons Testing, 1947 -1974, University of California Press, 1994, p. 158

22. Money and non-monetary compensation paid by the the United States to Marshallese Islanders since 1956 to redress damages from nuclear testing: at least $759,000,000

U.S. Nuclear Weapons Cost Study Project

23. Money paid to U.S. citizens under the Radiation Exposure and Compensation Act of 1990, as of January 13, 1998: approximately $225,000,000 (6,336 claims approved; 3,156 denied)



I don't have time to delve into this like HB, but what he's shown me is obviously important enough to "someone" for blatant symbolism to be included on U.S. dollars. I wonder about the Euro and other forms of paper money? It would be really interesting if England, France and other countries had similar "coincidences".


**BTW, HB is a very intense sleuth at times and he gets frustrated, as we all do at times, so don't take it personally. Sometimes the things he points out are not noticed as important to others, but I've learned to start looking more deeply, as he's usually found something others miss.  I'm not just saying that cuz I think he's got a cute monkey butt either!

Well, I'll be a Monkey's Girlfriend!

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AVA wrote:

How could nuclear weapons be seen as a "national treasure"?

If you take the cost of producing the weapons, the money paid out to nations and groups of people for damages and the money to safeguard the weapons, there's a treasure of unbelievable size, absolutely incredible amounts of money involved.

"Weapons of mass destruction" have propelled the United States into its current "Superpower" status.
Immense costs, involved in the development and accumulation of these weapons, justify themselves.
Could this country have become what it has become, without dropping Fat Man and Little Boy? Nope!!
Of course that's my opinion, but it sure sounds right - nukes have enabled the US to be world bullies.
In turn, having "might" over all other nations, enabled the U.S. economy to take advantage of MANY.
But it seems this trend is coming to an end, and our economy has already started impersonating this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fa/Ouroboros.png/300px-Ouroboros.png - The Ouroboros Snake

However - I believe that TPTB have known such a dynamic would transpire, and they've already had
some aspects of their "end game plan" come to life - without listing others, the WTC attack on 9/11!!
The images present in folded U.S. paper currency are there because TPTB knew nobody would know
before 9/11 what it really meant - and even if someone "guessed" right, who would believe them?!?!
The five redesigned bills signify A HUGE PTB "TAUNT". I bet they even seeded the web with a couple
pages showing how to do the folding, knowing that very quickly others would also post the imagery!!

I posit that those ultimately responsible for putting Trumbull's painting on the back of the $2 bill, had
seen their "test" go largely unnoticed. It was not just a test in my opinion, but it did illustrate to them
what they wanted to know: that they could play steganography games with the public, and "win" too.
Well this time, I'm playing the game too. If I can glean *anything* of value in my sleuthing, then the
effort was worth it. And I feel like I've already learned some valuable things. But I am going to keep
on digging until I either find a nugget of "gold", or hit "bedrock" and decide to move my "backhoe"!!!

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I saw a story about nuclear weapons on NPR recently. Looks like there are more new atomic bombs being created by the U.S., as if there weren't enough already....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor … =1&f=2

For the first time in nearly 20 years, U.S. nuclear weapons labs are drawing up plans for new atomic bombs. They would replace the ageing warheads in today's missiles with more robust ones that would be easier to maintain. The work would completely transform the country's nuclear arsenal.

Well, I'll be a Monkey's Girlfriend!
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Oh I get it lol!!

BOOM

I am as is Void.

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whywhywhy,

Indeed. Thank you very much, for what you've done and said.
I will do the same to my now post 30... and this post tonight...