Topic: Ego destruction and "the plan"

I've been thinking of this whole "destroy your ego" thing for a long while now. Personally, to me, it makes no sense. www.dictionary.com defines ago as:

1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.
2. In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.
3.
a. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.
b. Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.

So in essence by saying "you need to destroy your ego", one is saying you need to destroy your conscious mind. This led me to think "why"? Then it occured to me that it might be the way possessions are done. It has been said that human race is heading for a "take-over" and most our souls will be pushed out and the bodies taken over. Perhapse that is the biggest fad and deciet in the new-age scene. They are unconciously working to benefit the lizzies by knocking peoples sense of self worth so down that they wont resist. I can say that for me, one of the true realisations came when i realised it is ME living here, ME writing this and ME doing this.

It is me right now who decided to sit here and write this, it is me who has thought this way. I take a great sense of self worth in that, is that wrong, i dont think it is. When groups like church, qfs, politics, some forms of buddhism are observed through this effect, the so called "Ego center" (Self-Center) then there is a scary realisation that they are all designed to destroy your sense of self.  Your ego. Some even say it out loud.

Who would benefit if you destroyd your sense of self, not you, not some high grand good guys, they wouldnt care as long as you do what you like. What about people trying to use you or trying to help others use you, now that is a interesting thought. What if some gurus and people are like shepards, they make sure we dont think of running outside, not because we lack knowledge, we can get knowledge by just looking outside, but because we lack courage. Courage to just run along the fields because our sense of self has been destroyed, we think that we are not worthy of it, that we are not doing the work. That all the credits go to, God, Guides(spirit), Teachers, C's, QFS, Some group, Some person somewhere, etc... But if it is not us creating and doing, then who is it. Who has the right to say to us "This is happening to you now because You decided before you were born that this would happen" What the hell of a kind of defence is that. There is no way to verify it but boy, does it pacify a person. And what right does some intangible me, some part of my soul, have to deny me right to make my own choises. Or even my guides to tell me that i must do or musnt do something. Ofcourse they can recommend, and make observations, but they cant command me, they arent me. If you can only go down a path that is laid out before you then who is really walking the path, you, or the person who laid out the path.

It might be said that the 2 are the same thing, if that is the case then i can just as easily walk away from the path. I made a analogy in another post that might fit here.

Free will is like riding down a hill in sled, you might have been the one that decided to jump down and start riding, you might have even looked at a good route down the hill and said "i'm gonna aim for that" but that does in no way force you to go there. You can change your course, you can even stop but you'll probably be hit by other people riding down the same hill.

If the soul is you, in other words, if it is you that decides to ride down the hill. Then it is your life and you have control over it. You just have to realise that decicions are made right now, not in the past or in the future. But if the entity making the decicion to ride the hill is not you, for example, if it is god wanting a experience of riding down a hill, then it is a very bleak notion. Because surely they realise that life can be very painful, and to force someone to ride the hill is sadistic, if it goes against their will. So in a sense if it is you who is doing it, and riding down a hill, then life is in your hands, you have all the power in the world to decide your fate, you just need knowledge to know what to do. You dont need to know that bigmac's are 50cents off at a shop 2 miles from the hill, but you do need to know that if you want to slow down you have to lean back. Or that you can turn right and guide the sled into a forest nearby and hope it does less damage than keeping up with the riding and ending up in the middle of a driveway.

I hope this makes some sense to someone.

Oh, and on a closing note, I'm not necceserily saying that i wish to "get off this sled" or stop this ride but i am saying that unless i have the power to do so should i desire then its not me doing anything is it smile

-Aki
--Cognito, ergo sum
---Cognito, ergo doleo
----  wink

Re: Ego destruction and "the plan"

Here is a conversation between me and another poster on another thread regarding this and it helped me a bit...


>Who is this "I" - your ego or Infinite Soul?

>Would it be possible to be and enjoy what you are?

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I do not know sad
I keep thinking it is my infinite soul wanting to fully emerge but is
supressed by my ego, and is lovingly tugging at my heart. At least I
wish it to be that more than anything.


> Yeah, I understand!
> It might help to realize that the ego is a self-created identity that
> in actuality does not exist. IOW: it is an illusion and it bugs a lot
> of Souls. As a matter of fact - it creates the world as it is. It is
> basically the Mind. The masters say we must go beyond it. Great Idea
> - but no instructions. It is supposed to be an individual trip see.
> IOW: your ego and mine are different illusions and neither illusion
> can help the other. Tough Cookie...
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> How close is close in an infinite field of realities and/or
awareness?
> ---------------------------------------------------------------

*great question*


> I do feel that to learn to enjoy what we are - is the ticket to lose
> what we think we are and pop into a fully aware consciousness. It's
> easy! But - words naturally do not mean a thing!
> ------------------------------------
>

LOL I am such a GEEK!


> If you enjoy it - keep saying it!
> It re-affirms what you are and makes you more Geekie.

> Not a bad deal at all for your age
> (Life is what you enjoy - that's enough)


Yikes, Im going to start affirming something else...

Im such an infinite soul!


> Yes, you got it!
> Like --> I am The Infinite Soul and that realization is enough! -
 

Of course keep in mind this is the tail end of posts back and forth, but here I think it applies and is enough to get the picture smile

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Re: Ego destruction and "the plan"

IMO the way to understand your ego is to observe it in action, see its pet hates and loves and that automatically takes you to another self who is aware of its own ego awareness but is seperate from it.

Often people with size ten egos have size one souls, so as ever its a question of balance in all things and it is possible to re-create your ego in a more balanced way.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

4 (edited by lyra 2005-11-24 12:33:20)

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oh......my.........god.

I was JUST SAYING THE SAME THING NOT ONLY 10 MINUTES AGO!!!

Tom (montalk) and I were in the woods, sitting on a log bench, reading, and I looked up and mentioned that the whole "destroy your ego" thing has been on my mind for the past few days.  I talked about what Stuart Wilde has to say on the subject, and how I don't agree with it.  Stuart Wilde says we need to eliminate the ego and "become nothing."  I say that's total bs.  If we were supposed to "be nothing", we wouldn't be here as individual units of consciousness   I went on to say that I think Stuie takes things to the extreme sometimes, and gets a little carried away and unbalanced about things.

I was also contemplating the ego's role in me deciding that I don't like my latest temp job, and whether my ego's part in it all therefore makes the decision "wrong" in some way.  "Oh, that's just the EGO talking...the EGO doesn't like this or that....it's just the EGO...." 

Then we get up, walk back home, and I get on NR and see this thread!!

Too weird, I tell you....


PS Edit:   And so the synchronicities continue this month, just like it was outlined in the "Synchronicities & Timeloops" thread..............!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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I don't agree with the whole destroy your ego campaign either.

The question in my mind is who is in charge, the ego or the soul?  The ego is just the part of us that exists in 3D.  I'm thinking we would do better to integrate it, rather than destroy it.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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In my own opinion, the ego is a necessary part of our human aspect and does not need to be destroyed, by any means. However, it is important to get it in balance. Like the mind, it is imbalanced on the side of bloat or dominance from eons in this biased realm. And maybe it's just me, but I have yet to discern a truth from Spirit that says that anything should be killed or destroyed by us. Remembering that we exist under a veil that limits our perspective on the all, it's pretty arrogant to judge a part of ourselves we're borne into as inherently useless and worthy only of death.

It has a purpose, but that purpose is not to rule over all of the rest of Self. I think it was Seth (Jane Roberts) who said the ego's purpose is to be the physical world interpreter to the Spirit Self. (Not verbatim, might have it wrong) The sense I got when I read is that it is a component of Self that is most perfectly algned with this realm of physicality, and therefore serves as a translater of sorts. It's acts as our Agent (like a personality has an agent in celebrity-world) from our innermost Self out to the world, and from the world back to our inner Self, sort of, but definitely works for the Greater Self.

If we remember that in truth "we're not from around here", then having a translator makes more sense. However, if someone is overly identified with their ego, then they are well-entrenched in "here" as if it is all they are, and they won't get the distinction, I suppose.

Having to deal with a rather large ego myself in this life, I disagree that someone with a size ten ego has a size one soul (naturally I'd think that, eh? tongue). Seriously, though, I think the relationship can easily be 1:1. If someone has a large ego, it's their soul essence being co-opted by the personality self. The larger the ego, the more power or essential energy is available to that person to be co-opted, and it comes from their core (and we're all far more than we realize).

"You can't give what you don't have" comes to mind here. On the path, if one seeks to align their energies with the highest good of all and they have a very large ego... imagine the gift to the whole when it's balanced or brought into alignment. Imagine the self-realization that comes from such a task, as well. If there were no ego to contend with, there'd be little use in growing through this particular paradigm.

Just some of my thoughts on all this.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

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I have come to view the implications of ego in a polarized, yin and yang way as follows:   if we as humans are composed of both matter and spirit, then we need to maintain both in balance with each other.  Ego is a function of our material existence, and therefore our egos must be fully developed and sharpened to a razor's edge if we wish to function at our best here in the 3D world.   Conversely, the spirit world has NO use for ego whatsover, and indeed ego intruding into the spiritual realm is harmful and will retard (or halt) our progress in developing a healthy spirit life. 

I just watched the movie "The Fountainhead" last night.  The entire story is framed around the concept of ego.    The story's events deal with the idea of the ego in the philosophical context of "the individual vs the collective," rather than the spiritual connotations.  I personally think, though, that at its root ego is actually the same thing regardless of from which angle we're looking at it.   This story comes to a climax with the protagonist, Howard Roark, on trial for being the "supreme egoist."    Roark's speech at his trial is a very well-written defense of the ego and man's right to exist and think for himself.   I think it provides a nice counter-balance to the somewhat more nebulous and confusing writings about ego from the spiritual point of view.   It's available here.

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Well you can see how this works by taking one look at the us military.  Destroy your ego is the first thing they do -- you are not special, you are just another soldier, you have no free will, you will comply, you will be just as the others.

And it works great -- for them, not for the poor souls obviously.

And you can see exactly what this produces -- zombies who are willing to do whatever they are told.  Just empty shells, I guess that fits the "organic portal" description?

So yeah.. or something!

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

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So the trick is, as with all things, balance!  smile    We are physical creatures, existing in 3D.  It's probably near impossible to completely eliminate the ego completely, being that we are physical primates.  It comes with the body we're born into.  It serves its purpose.   The problem arises when the ego begins to take over and run rampant like a spoiled child, throwing a fit.  "I want I want I want!  Gimme gimme gimme!   I I I I I I I I I memememememe!"

Balance.......don't completely annhilate the ego and "become nothing".....keep it under control.   As with everything, we're only given two choices you know.  Either or, black and white.  In this case, we've been told that our choices are to either completely elimiante the ego, being at perpetual war with it in the meantime until this happens, or, let it run free, and indulge it to the extreme, doing no personal work on yourself whatsoever. 

X!   Choice 3....balance.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Definition 3a, which was listed previously, says - "an exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit."
When I see "destroy the ego", I take it to mean "destroy any exaggerated sense of self-importance".
Balance, as has been mentioned, is critical to having a proper sense of self-importance. Not too much
and not too little. We as individuals must have some self-importance. We must value our own lives....
Regarding how our armed forces prefer to remove individuality from its members, one could say that
they're eliminating ALL sense of self-importance - exaggerated or not. They want extreme imbalance.

I'm just adding my two cents worth. What everyone else has said is pretty good.

11 (edited by SiriArc 2005-11-25 01:44:07)

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This Feed-Back-Loop has it that the metaphor for Ego is:

Head mail clerk in a Large Corporation: Planned, Necessary and Valued.

A distinction is made between Positive and Negative Ego:

The Positive clerk sorts and sends the mail (Senses) to the appropriate departments for interpretation and action.

The Negative clerk has somehow gone Insane and thinks it's incharge of the Corporation - Possible cause:

A. Seeming desertion of the CEO and a sense of overwhelm at responsibilities it knows it can't handle [and it's Pissed big time].

B. That it is *A Foreign Installation* - A parasitic raid on the Assets and Information of the Company.

Potential solution:

Get the CEO back in the Boardroom:

Pay Attention to Focus:
Which *voice* (clerk) do YOU listen and Respond to? [*The Greatest Freedom is Responsibility*]  Consider: Response-Ability.

Began moving toward Inner Silence and away from the constant yammering of the lunatic.

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Barefoot Doc wrote:

IMO the way to understand your ego is to observe it in action, see its pet hates and loves and that automatically takes you to another self who is aware of its own ego awareness but is seperate from it.

I agree this practice is part and partial to truly loving who you are, and for being "the student," but I must ask myself "who" is doing the observing, as it is just as vital I recognise the ego is not THE most objective observer for the task.

Barefoot Doc wrote:

Often people with size ten egos have size one souls, so as ever its a question of balance in all things and it is possible to re-create your ego in a more balanced way.

To "re-create" the ego could be an egotistical attempt to maintain the ego as well, could it not?

I ask because I have to question myself in this area as well, afterall balance in this area is not really what I seek. If I seek to be the forgiving spouse (in terms of understanding... not abused or cheated on btw) , do I seek balance by being an equally argumentative spouse?

I DO agree with Stuart Wilde, but I view it with an opened mind regarding what I think he intends to impart on the matter.

You see for me... what I believe he is saying is to put the little ego (or big lol) to sleep, let one captain steer the ship or the other, but to vascilate back and forth doesn't really give either full authority over the vessal now does it?

I think we do this by the process of observing and gaining full understanding of how the ego not only operates but WHEN the ego is most in aggressively active, this gives us the ability to recognise the moments when we put our pratice into action does it not?

I believe it is "a part of the process" to achieve the goal of what we are striving for. Afterall are we not looking to become enlightened by the very knowledge we seek through understanding of it? Is in really possible then to have it both ways once we understand the knowledge we gain? With what I understand it is not.

Self denial is not what Stuie, or even I for that matter are talking about. Loving oneself through complete understanding of the operater of the self, accepting what we understand how the self operates, and then acting upon that understanding where the decision of whether the operator is capable to take us to the next level we intend to arrive at... is.

The ego is the operator of the human self, yes we are human, or are we?

Is it not true afterall that our humanness is merely the illusion we have created for the purpose of learning?

Have we not become ensnared within the university the real self has created for the purpose of learning by experiencing humanness creation?

Leaving the trappers aside for a moment, what is the trap being used to keep us bound?

Our own mind, our humanness?

Now how do we escape the trap...by balancing the spirit that is our authentic self with the humanness that is the illusionary self?

If so how can you balance the authentic with the faker?

Do you pay full price for the faux pearls, if you do has your own lack of knowledge been the cause for you to be cheated?

Or do we recognise which is what and who is why and make  necessary adjustments of how and when to achieve freedom and ascend to the next level of understanding?

Bottom line...who you want to steer the ship depends on your goal of destination. And the Captain must have a full appreciation and knowledge of the ships instruments to get you there successfully!

Why would I let that which is veiled in blindness steer anything any where?

But this is merely my own understanding in the matter, and not to be taken seriously.:|

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http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1459

More on this subject...

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

Re: Ego destruction and "the plan"

oceanchild wrote:

thanx for pointing out that other thread, dreamnosis - i haven't read all of it so i might be repeatin' stuff here ... but this is all part of what i've been goin' into for myself over the last little while - so i wanted to share some more ...

oceanchild wrote:

but what's an idea? esp. if it's not mine? i can't explain it as well as where it came to me from: Krishnaj - but i am putting this into practise ...

err - not so much an idea as an insight i've gained by looking at an issue for myself (hear the ego roar! tongue j/k) - someone (JK in this case) originally sharing an insight and me looking into it through myself is what allowed me to have that insight - since an insight doesn't belong to any single person if it's a real insight (in the sense that we're all the same) - but again, each person needs to look into the issue by him/herself to gain whatever insight ...

quantumsurfer wrote:

I must ask myself "who" is doing the observing

quantumsurfer also mentioned 'freedom'  ... freedom from what ?

Actually Quantumsurfer did not mention freedom in the above post. cool

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oceanchild wrote:
quantumsurfer wrote:

Actually Quantumsurfer did not mention freedom in the above post. cool

hmm ...

quantumsurfer wrote:

Or do we recognise which is what and who is why and make  necessary adjustments of how and when to achieve freedom and ascend to the next level of understanding?

tongue

Eeek, my fuzzy slipper was a most nutritious breakfast yummmm, lol. YES I DID SAY FREEDOM!