Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk (Page 21 of 24)

Jen, I admire the compassion in your heart that is evident.  However, to me your response and stance on this topic is both disarming yet saddening.  Let me explain:

First, all of us who are truly seeking a further dose of enlightenment in our heart want to learn and walk in greater compassion.  So, with your liberal approach (for lack of a better word) to this topic, we are somewhat disarmed and in order to tackle the subject, something deeper, like an essence of truth must step forward.

This essense of truth would say that there are entities who are benevolent and there are entities who are malevolent, to the human race and its extistence and general cultivation.  Keeping this in mind, we are (currently?) 3rd dimensional beings.  So, 4th+ dimensional beings have the ability to make contact with us, when invited or sometimes when not.  The issue of invitation or ability to make contact is not what I want to discuss.  What is important right now is that we as humans have a tendency to believe that if something is from a 'higher' dimension, then it must be 'higher' in intelligence and 'higher' in importance, overall moral values, etc - especially when we are hindered or even blinded by new agey type "receive everything, everything is for you, and your evolution as a people" power-stealing lies.

Please understand, I deeply respect your compassion for all life and this is not an attack.  However, you must realize that, despite our desire to know more about higher realms and therefore our "putting on a pedestal" of what we receive from higher realms, much of what is channeled is from generally negative entities, posing as positive.  Please be open to receive or at minimum consider this statement.  When I say "what is channeled" I mean not just the 'official' channeled sources in print or on the internet, but also includes much of what one could receive in daily life, being it suggestion, instruction or whatnot.  And, believe it or not, negative entities can have the ability to create seemingly synchronistic and warm fuzzy feelings just as well as the positive.

The greys are a collective and do not have a "good" faction and a "bad" one.  They do not care at all about what is best for us, either for us as a race or for us as individuals, or our planet for that matter, and their record shows it.  They are master deceivers, ego-strokers, and manipulators; and if one is not careful one will fall for this and thus be disarmed, and thus be part of the field of deceit and ignorance that allows their agenda to continue.

Channeled "jinn" or spirits that are interacted with or whatever are often generally negative.  Our lust for wisdom and the unknown makes contact with any higher spirit desired.  (We have the ability if exercised and/or developed, to determine what type of higher being we make contact with.)  They - the negative ones - don't really have a power over us if we really don't let them.  Like the greys, they can also stroke our ego and make us feel important, 'in the know', give us a position and then say we are a chosen messenger to the rest of human kind...  all BS.

visavis, you compliment my postings, but apparantly you haven't been following along with what I write.   If anybody is against the victim mentality, it's me.   I write about that all the time in my articles, as well as here at NR.   The victim mentality is a pet peeve of mine.   But I do believe that there are beings higher and above us out there in this reality universe, whatever it is we're existing in.   Just like we're above certain critters ourselves, and have the power to kill them, eat them, and stamp out their existances like it's nothing.  (Think about that the next time you squash a bug, either accidentally or on purpose.) 

As much power as we have, we're not at the top of the heap.   To acknowledge that is not to be a victim, or to be "selling myself short."   It's a fact.   We're not at the top of the totem pole.  But yes, we do have awesome capabilities and great potential, otherwise there wouldn't be such a lifelong programming and indoctrination campaign to try to stamp it out of us, through the media, government / laws / authority, education and religion.

Sorry!  You're right I just checked, I took your quote out of context.    Sometimes I need to zoom out.  I haven't read the whole thread, though I see a lot of your postings so that's why I was surprised when I thought I read you with a victim-mentality.  Thought you might have been having a bad day.

In my experience it is not so much about "they can get you only if you give them permission" but rather "unless you actively deny them permission 24/7 they can and will get you" - in other words, vulnerable until proven otherwise. Even then, unless you have a certain level of spiritual and conscious strength, the "big bad wolf will blow your house down." The biggest problem is that we cannot easily be conscious every moment of the day, especially during sleep. Second, we cannot easily know every single sneaky move they are capable of making and so you can't put your foot down at all the right spots all the time.

I do believe the negative aliens are higher on the food chain and regularly torture/eat vulnerable humans, have lots of technological/occult and intellectual prowess, can screw with time, and pretty much hold the world in their hands. But I also think that we can receive divine intervention from levels beyond theirs and tap into our own superior but latent powers to rip off the shackles. The movie Dark City is a great allegory for how this might come about.

I don't see how he's contradicting what he said at all, but, that's for him to explain to you.   

I guess it's easy to nitpick and make comments about something small.    Quite a bit harder to address the big, meaty "controversial"  issues being brought up in this thread that might require the willingness to hold a sacred cow up to the light and see it for what it is.....grossly flawed misinformation campaign that the general public has been pummeled with for 30 years.   With the big stuff, it's easier to ignore those points and pretend we didn't see them, and just focus on the petty. 

Unlike religion / spirituality which is one of those sticky subjects that most people understand not to get into, (because how can you argue with somebody about whether their God, or sprirituality is "right" or "wrong"?  you can't)  the Grays and aliens in general is another ball o' wax entirely.  Grays are not religion, so, it's not something sacred we can't touch.  On the contrary, we have our own personal proof that Grays are:

1.  A Hollywood tool in movies;

2.  A $$$ generator for companies who market products with Grays' likeness plastered all over them.   Stickers, T-shirts, mugs, keychains, magnets, posters, cartoons, and the like;

3.  Something the government is involved with;  The CIA /government has had their hands in the New Age channeling movement....and much of the Grays / aliens material that "Offical Gray Story Believers" are relying on and quoting has ties to the New Age channeling movement.

4.  Something that's apparantly been with humankind for a very long time, as evidenced by ancient stories and folklore.   But only now are we being told that they're here for our own good, and need our DNA.    Did they not care about our greater good, or the planet's, or need our DNA, 500 years ago?  1,000 years ago?   hm.   That's strange.  I wonder why only within the last 30 years?  hm.   

So, while some people choose to believe and cling to the official story that we're getting from these books, which tell us that the Grays are us in the future, they're a sentient race of beings in their own right who have unfortunately waah bred their own valuable genetics out of themselves and now need our help to get some stuff back, they care about us, and want to save us and the planet, etc. I will choose to acknowledge the plot holes and errors in that thinking, and pass this "Third Option" on to others for consideration.

I leave off with the old saying, "You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."   It's very true.   At best, you can only respond to their posts when they keep coming up with stuff that's full of holes, oversights, and bad logic.   That's about all anybody can do.

The fact remains that he did make that statement. 
I asked him, in that thread at: http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2103

and he replied, "Pretty much."  He goes on to elaborate on what he thinks high FRV means,  about positivity + awareness, etc.
So, I'm waiting for him to respond to my question here.  I'm interested to know if he has changed his mind in this matter.

Thanks for your response, montalk, well said.  I have to say I think the focus ought to be on raising our FRV rather than obsessing about possible negative beings and their intentions toward us.  One of the features of high FRV is, as you pointed out previously, not indulging in victimhood.  Which certainly doesn't mean dismissing the idea that there are people and beings who are or could be a negative influence on one's life, but the more we stay centered in ourselves and pursue the things that we enjoy and give our lives meaning, the less time we will have to worry about, vibrate to, and thus attract to ourselves that possibility.

In short, I don't think the slogan, "Be afraid, be very, very afraid" is a good one to live by.  I don't I think you do, either.