The Mystery of Jesus (Page 9 of 12)

Actually, the phrase is, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to the Father: but go to my brethern and say to them, I ascend unto my Father..." (John 20:17 KJV). And I agree with your view about the spirit. It's just the Gnostic saw spirit and matter as opposites, fighting against each other.

Now some of the Gnostics (like Basilides) believed that Jesus didn't suffer on the cross, and that a substitute (Simon of Cyrene?) was used instead.This is also what Seth says in "Seth Speaks."

Further, Jesus appeared in out-of-body states to his disciples afterwards,

Now look at these quotes concerning the statements of Basilides regarding the Jesus and the crucifixion.

Thanks for the clarification on the quote.  Like Haven, I thought that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were physically intimate.  Some sources say they were married.  Well, there's a reason why this thread is called The Mystery of Jesus--so many contradictions from different sources.

Thanks too for clarifying the Gnostic position on matter vs. spirit.  To me, that is an unbalanced point of view...

And yes, I've read the Seth material on the reality of the crucifixion before, thanks for posting it here. An important piece of the puzzle.  And, interesting correlations with the Gnostic teaching.

Is the below also from the Gnostics?  It strikes me as a bit odd.  Jesus rejoicing and laughing over a man being crucified?

    "Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance."
         - The Second Treatise of the Great Seth

The Second Treatise of the Great Seth is a text from the Nag Hammadi Library. Attributed to the OT Son of Adam.
Here's a bit more of the section:

Yeah, "The laughing Jesus" is a hallmark of certain strains of gnosticism. He is laughing at the ignorance of the Demiurge and his human puppets. Just understand that to the gnostics and neoplatonists, it was impossible that a divine being could suffer, be killed, or be in any way connected to evil, imperfect matter.  Jesus descended from the "Good God" that was unknown even to the creator-angels/Demiurge who made the material world (different systems vary). To Marcion, this God was "the Wholly Other."

Again, this was a big deal, for the Docetist considered marytrdom useless and naive, while the emerging orthodox tradition valued it highly as a ticket to Heaven (sound familiar?)

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But before you completely write off the gnostics for their negative, escapist outlook of the material world, I would gently point out that there are plenty of gnostic ideas that survive and feature strongly in the New Age philosophy today;
          that there is no sin, but rather ignorance that causes suffering
          that cultivating the inner self is the beginning of enlightenment, the Kingdom of god is an interior state
          acknowledgement of the Divine Feminine Principle (Sophia, Barbelo) (The Gospel of Mary was attributed by a woman?  Unthinkable to the orthodox!)
          personal spiritual authority
          a cosmic "War in Heaven" (Light vs Dark spiritual contendings), among other things.
          the "real" world is hidden in the observable world

Q: (L) Did the Christ spirit descend into the body of Jesus in his 30th year?
A: No.
Q: (L) What happened?
A: Formed within him. And it could do thusly in anyone who reaches such levels of service to others plus faith and supreme levels of pure
thought.

I am certain that the "second coming" is about individual people resurrecting Christ consciousness in their own hearts and minds.  Another metaphor.

Thanks for sharing the C's quote!  I really like their take on Jesus.  I agree with you about the "second coming"  and have posted about that here previously. Here's an excerpt from the most recent Matthew channeling (11/17) in which he touches on this; I've bolded that part:

S: I think this is a good place for this question: “Regarding the great transformation of Earth, what does it mean to be prepared spiritually? To the believer in Christ, it means to have accepted Him as Lord and Savior."

MATTHEW: And that is one of the greatest of all the beliefs that will be shattered when the truth about the millennia of deception perpetrated through religions becomes known. The “second coming"  and the “raptures"  and “salvation"  are part of the great lie. Religious beliefs are not the same as spirituality, and in most instances, they haven’t even a nodding acquaintance. One of the greatest challenges ahead is resolving the conflict between the people who do know the truth and those who will resist it to keep their belief foundations intact regardless of their religion.

As for Christianity, the man known as Jesus in the Bible would be the first to tell you how wrong the teaching is, that “accepting him as Lord and Savior"  is the way to “salvation,"  and he’d also tell you that believing that is not the same as “believing in Christ."  Christ is not a name–it means “being one with God."  The Christed energy, or Christed light, is the highest power in the universe and it is eternally available to all as the “savior"  that can keep you from falling into darkness and committing acts considered “ungodly."

The soul that originated in the Christed realm, which is Creator’s first creation, and incarnated in one lifetime as Jesus also has lived as many other spiritual leaders on Earth and far beyond.  The energy of the Christed realm is pure love, and it is this energy that Jesus, all of his soul’s other embodiments, and all other souls of that highest station impart that is  “the second coming."  It is not a return of the man who lived in Galilee 2000 years ago. He knew that he was no different from all other souls, that all are parts of God, that all have the same potential to perform the “miracles"  ascribed to him, and that all have multiple lifetimes for remembering their godselves and their inseparability from every other soul in this universe.

Whew, you sure have been around, religion-wise   Yet it seems not to have turned you off the whole thing.  Interesting.  I had kind of a unique background in this, as well, though not so much as you.  I went to Catholic school as a child, was confirmed in the faith, but neither of my parents was really religious--the Catholicism was more or less an acceeding to
my adoptive grandmother's wishes.  In fact, my dad was a self-proclaimed atheist, and I can vividly recall how he seethed and squirmed in the pew next to me, the one time he consented to attend Mass with us.  So, on the one hand I was being taught about Jesus, learning the Lord's Prayer, singing hymns with my fellow students, going to church (irregularly) with my mother, etc., and on the other I was confronted with the idea that all of this was just a silly show that meant nothing.

But I got a lot out of Catholic school.  It was a very beautiful place, the nuns were kind and good teachers,  I liked the singing and the religious ritual in general.  But, I stopped going at age ten, switched to a school closer to home, and after that, the church became much less of a factor in my life, even though I went on to be confirmed.

Why was it that you went through so many different religions?  It was your parents' influence, I presume?  And, does Primitive Christianity have any connection to gnosticism?

whoops.  it's under "the luceferian legacy" in the articles section at www.theuniversalseduction.com.  has naybody got a copy of stewart swerdlow's BB/TB?  i'd like to say what he had to say.  does anybody know more about his take on going back in time and getting a blood sample from christ to clone him?  he claims that.