• From: the mine
  • Registered: 2005-11-15

Topic: Chavez for Prez

The more I hear from this guy the more it shines the light on what is missing in our own (US) leadership.
I seem to remember glimmers of his passion in a handful of our own past- maybe that was just a dream.
Discussing poiltics, for me is about as appealing as going to the DMV- I hope this is not too boring a departure from the usual subject matter here.
I like the guy- he holds back nothing!
Most of you know how the Summit of the Americas went down.....
Had some words for Fox, too with stinging honesty.
Good,bad,or ugly (yup- lol) we could use many more like him<>

"I hate dreaming. because when you want to sleep, you want to sleep. Dreaming is work. Next thing you know I have to build a go-kart with my ex landlord"
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  • Registered: 2004-04-21

Re: Chavez for Prez

We'll have to see what happens.  He could still be part of the NWO game and appear as a "good guy".  The world political scene is being so obviously manipulated it's hard to totally trust anyone involved in it. 

Truth is, we don't need no stinkin' governments.  Without these political structures people bent on harming others would be doing what they always have while the rest of us would continue being good neighbors like we always have except we'd be free to protect ourselves from the predators.  Chaos would not rule the day as we are taught to fear.  Real freedom begets responsibility.  In the false freedom of democracy as soon as we "choose" a representative we have given away our power, and the representative can never truly represent all and may not even want to.

To be governed is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, lawdriven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so.
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

To vote is to give up your own power.  To elect a master or many, for a long or short time, is to resign one's liberty.  Call it an absolute monarch, a constitutional king, or a simple M.P., the candidate that you raise to the throne, to the seat, or to the easy chair, he will always be your master.  They are persons that you put "above" the law, since they have the power of making the laws, and because it is their mission to see that they are obeyed.  To vote is befitting of idiots.  Elisee Reclus

  • Registered: 2005-06-26

Re: Chavez for Prez

Excellent post, Soloflecks, thanks.

Soloflecks wrote:

Chaos would not rule the day as we are taught to fear.  Real freedom begets responsibility.

Some of us know this from our hearts, but if you've ever tried to discuss this idea with someone well-indoctrinated into the earthly culture, there seems to be an inability to see it in most. As if there's an inherent fear of man's innate nature. I've tentatively determined that until people face their maker in some sense, within, they cannot extrapolate this way without running headlong into this fear of [human] nature.

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~ Albert Einstein

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  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Chavez for Prez

Soloflecks wrote:

Truth is, we don't need no stinkin' governments.  Without these political structures people bent on harming others would be doing what they always have while the rest of us would continue being good neighbors like we always have except we'd be free to protect ourselves from the predators.  Chaos would not rule the day as we are taught to fear.  Real freedom begets responsibility.  In the false freedom of democracy as soon as we "choose" a representative we have given away our power, and the representative can never truly represent all and may not even want to.

Amen to that!   

Be careful though.......................when I tried to say the same thing http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2066 it didn't go over too well!  wink


Sowelu wrote:

Some of us know this from our hearts, but if you've ever tried to discuss this idea with someone well-indoctrinated into the earthly culture, there seems to be an inability to see it in most. As if there's an inherent fear of man's innate nature. I've tentatively determined that until people face their maker in some sense, within, they cannot extrapolate this way without running headlong into this fear of [human] nature.

Exactly!

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  • Registered: 2004-08-27

Re: Chavez for Prez

As far as Chavez goes, at an earlier time (not too long ago, either) in my life, I would be jumping up and down cheering the guy on, about what he "seems" to represent and what he is saying/doing. 

Don't get me wrong, the guy may actually be thumbing his nose at the NWO elites, but I wouldn't count on it.  Not at all.  They really don't tolerate that from "their" world leaders and heads of state,  He may have somehow slipped through the cracks, and really not be one of "theirs," but I seriously doubt that.   

As I see things now, as far as what plays out on the "world stage," my best guess is he's playing the "good guy" adversary role that he has been assigned by the puppet masters.  I would like to be wrong about that though.  Time will tell.  As Soloflecks said in her EXCELLENT post, "we'll have to see what happens."  Yes, indeed.

  • From: the mine
  • Registered: 2005-11-15

Re: Chavez for Prez

If we could all be truly self- governing then anarchy would work.
I am not advocating the system here- i guess my thoughts are, that as long as we are forced to work within the confines of this system- that there are standouts to the ideal.
Hugo may well be just another player in an elaborate war of words only to escalate tensions.
I cannot advocate anarchy- I won't be redundant in the reasons why- that would probably be insulting in repetition to you all.
I would love nothing more than to see the tired old constructs abandoned entirely.
If he is in fact not a player- then he is a real beacon, for Venezuelans at least.
Thanks all of you- I'll have more on this<>

"I hate dreaming. because when you want to sleep, you want to sleep. Dreaming is work. Next thing you know I have to build a go-kart with my ex landlord"
-The late Mitch Hedberg
  • Registered: 2004-04-21

Re: Chavez for Prez

I think the reason we fear real freedom is that we've been indoctrinated to believe there is something inherently wrong with us and that we require controls to keep us in check.  We look around at all the sick individuals and think it's confirmation, but I think it's a reflection of all that is wrong with the control system.  Many of us now really are incapable of acting rationally, and that is the challenge to all who long to be free.

Healthy humans are never without structure.  We are social creatures and left to our own devices come up with very simple, equitable social structures that are family and community based.  Indigenous societies that haven't been corrupted by outside influences are examples of this.