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"Cow....your time has come.  Follow me, and I will show you great things.  A 'visitation', if you will, a visit like you've never experienced, a visit that only happens once in a lifetime.   Don't pass up the opportunity, cow, for it's a chance to learn and grow on a soul level.   You will be a better cow for it........and you will be serving the greater good.  Somewhere, in some small town, you will be a beef soft taco at Taco Bell...or maybe a hamburger at Wendy's.  Your hooves will have the glorious experience of becoming Lemon Lime Jello, or maybe even Kodak film!   Now how can you pass up an opportunity like that, cow?  How?   How now, brown cow?   We are speaking of Jello....of tacos, at Taco Bell.  Now now, brown cow..........'pointing fingers' only creates a black-and-white, me versus them 'victimization' atttitude.....it's best not to think like that you know.  What?   You don't believe me?   Why, I have this channeling source right here that confirms it!   And this one too!   And this one, and this one, and this one, and this one.....An endless barrage of channeled sources to confirm anything I want to tell you, anything I want to believe.   When in doubt, muster up a channeling source, cow, that's what it's all about, as often and as frequently as you can.  And remember, no matter what happens to you during your 'visitation', it's all for the best, the greater good.   There are no problems, only challenges.   There is no black and white.    What was that cow?  You say that you don't like humans, cow?   Humans are exploiting your species?   But cow, some humans are good.  And even though that fact doesn't change your particular situation, right here right now, just keep focusing on the fact that there are good ones out there cow.   That's right.  Even though it apparantly won't help you at the moment.    It's all about having a positive attitude, cow!   That's right!   Now, come with me cow, come, to greener pastures.   Your soul will thank me for it.  It's a learning experience, a soul lesson.   A chance to evolve."

"mmmmmmeh!"

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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I have absolutely no doubts that the Greys are of a highly negative nature. However, to compare the predicament of a cow to that of a human abduction scenario, is both extremely silly, and flatout wrong. How disempowering can you get?

Stuart Wilde in God's Gladiators wrote:

Normally, they go after humans who succumb to fear, and in that situation the transdimensionals have all the power. But if they bump into someone who knows what he or she is doing, someone who’s fearless, who doesn’t give a shit, then the shoe is on the other foot. In a way, we are stronger than them, but we have to come to believe it. The only way to believe it is to suffer the fear and go beyond it.

I started running around the house at 3am with my mates, samurai swords drawn, chasing the Greys up the hallway. Were the Greys scared? I don’t know but they sure f*cked off quick. Suddenly, here’s this guy in the hallway who doesn’t give a shit and is about to take ya f*cking head off. You see, the secret is don’t flinch. But it takes a while to get to that, as you can’t ‘not flinch’ until you go through the terror training. That’s the way to become brave and strong.

Join me in Peru to celebrate December 21st 2012 - Visit: http://2012awakeningretreat.com/

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Ayahuasca wrote:

I have absolutely no doubts that the Greys are of a highly negative nature. However, to compare the predicament of a cow to that of a human abduction scenario, is both extremely silly, and flatout wrong. How disempowering can you get?

Oh Andy, lighten up.   And actually, the analogy isn't far off at all when you think about it.   The cow thing was written in humor, exaggerating things to make a point.   When you read pro-abduction literature, these people are often advocating abductions as being this great thing for your soul and personal evolution, because the aliens are helping you, you see (never mind all the negative consequences.)   In my **humorous* cow analogy, you see The Human trying to convince the cow that his trip to the slaughterhouse has many benefits. (nevermind all the negative consequences);   The Human is using the same "logic" you see on display in many pro-abduction literature.     So, I guess I don't get why you didn't get it. 

This will just be yet another area where we will have to agree to disagree.   !  I don't know what else to tell you.   

As far as the Stuie excerpt goes, he's on target, as always.    They go after those who have fear.......................but also those who invite them in, because they've been tricked into believing that abductions are this amazing, powerful New Agey spiritually enlightening experience.   Which brings things back around to the entire underlying point of this thread.   Not falling for the New Age disinformation propaganda.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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The Grays are a race, despite what lyra has posted about their being cryogenically created.  Within that race there are both positive and negative beings, There are some who do "go after" those with fear, but it is a mistake to assume that therefore they all do.  Can we call this New Age bigotry?

I don't know of any cases of visitation that happened because people consciously invited them in.  I certainly haven't done so myself, even though I am not an "anti-Gray"  person.  (I'm not a "pro-Gray" person either, despire what lyra has said here.  My point of view is more along the lines of "we're all God's chillen.")  Can you cite any, lyra?

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Jen wrote:

The Grays are a race, despite what lyra has posted about their being cryogenically created.

I think you meant cybergenetic.  Not cryogenetic

And yes, I believe that.   I don't really believe they are a race of sentient beings with both good and bad ones in the bunch.   I believe they're either:  1) of the demonic realms;  2) Figments of people's imaginations;  3)  Manufactured worker bees of something above them;  4)  Something that "neg" trickster entities like to impersonate in order to hoodwink the naive who've been duped by the New Age movement.



Jen wrote:

Within that race there are both positive and negative beings, There are some who do "go after" those with fear, but it is a mistake to assume that therefore they all do.  Can we call this New Age bigotry?

Please see above.


Jen wrote:

I don't know of any cases of visitation that happened because people consciously invited them in.

Well, to refresh, there were instances that were discussed here at NR;   If I'm not mistaken, in this very thread, towards the beginning.   If not, then in other threads.   I would advise perusing through this thread as well as others for more info. on this phenomenon you apparantly have never heard of.


Jen wrote:

I certainly haven't done so myself, even though I am not an "anti-Gray"  person.  (I'm not a "pro-Gray" person either, despire what lyra has said here.  My point of view is more along the lines of "we're all God's chillen.")  Can you cite any, lyra?

PLease see above.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Jen wrote:

The Grays are a race, despite what lyra has posted about their being cryogenically created.

This may seem like I am picking on you a little - I hope that's not the case.  But in your statement I read "The Grays are xxxxx"...conversly in Lyra's statement I read "I believe the Grays are xxxx".  One statement is open to its own subjectivity...I am not sure that the other is.

Tell me - if you haven't had any contact with Grays - then how do you know (as opposed to believe) what they are and what they aren't?

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Silly silly Lyra!

We don't want to eat you.  We just want your eggs!

Surely, you don't plan to use them all do you?  We just want a few of your eggs so we can create a slave race of Lyra's on our home planet.  Oops!  We mean master race, not slave race.  Um. . er. . um just shut up and give us your eggs!

We need your eggs cause we spliced out our ovaries long ago.  Boy, was that a big mistake!  But it's all in the past now.  What's important is that you have eggs, and we need them.  Here read this book, it will answer all your questions.  It will explain that we have a right to your eggs because you made a contract with us before you were born.

What you don't remember that?  Gee that's too bad.  No worries.  We have remembered for you.

What's that?  You want to see the contract?  Um. . er. . um. . well it's in the archives somewhere and. . well see. . this is so embarassing. . our archive director is on vacation. . but he'll be back in 2012.  We'll show you the contract then, ok sweetie?

Meanwhile. . . let's get those eggs!

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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Marcus wrote:
Jen wrote:

The Grays are a race, despite what lyra has posted about their being cryogenically created.

This may seem like I am picking on you a little - I hope that's not the case.  But in your statement I read "The Grays are xxxxx"...conversly in Lyra's statement I read "I believe the Grays are xxxx".  One statement is open to its own subjectivity...I am not sure that the other is.

Tell me - if you haven't had any contact with Grays - then how do you know (as opposed to believe) what they are and what they aren't?

Marcus, 

No, I don't perceive your doubts and questions as "pciking on me."

To answer your question...partly because of my deafness, I've honed my intuition
probably more than most people.  Not that I rely on it totally, I use logic too.  From all that I have read and intuited on the subject, I believe that the acccount of the Zetas' evolution as put forth in Visitors From Within
is accurate. 

I know that explanation woujld not stand up in a court of law (or in a court of lyra lol ) but there it is...

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tenetnosce wrote:

Silly silly Lyra!

We don't want to eat you.  We just want your eggs!

Surely, you don't plan to use them all do you?  We just want a few of your eggs so we can create a slave race of Lyra's on our home planet.  Oops!  We mean master race, not slave race.  Um. . er. . um just shut up and give us your eggs!

We need your eggs cause we spliced out our ovaries long ago.  Boy, was that a big mistake!  But it's all in the past now.  What's important is that you have eggs, and we need them.  Here read this book, it will answer all your questions.  It will explain that we have a right to your eggs because you made a contract with us before you were born.

What you don't remember that?  Gee that's too bad.  No worries.  We have remembered for you.

What's that?  You want to see the contract?  Um. . er. . um. . well it's in the archives somewhere and. . well see. . this is so embarassing. . our archive director is on vacation. . but he'll be back in 2012.  We'll show you the contract then, ok sweetie?

Meanwhile. . . let's get those eggs!

big_smile  That's awesome, thanks for the smile.



Jen wrote:

I know that explanation woujld not stand up in a court of law (or in a court of lyra  ) but there it is...

Well, it's not a court, but, it is a thread based on picking apart the disinformation "plot holes" that abound in the story we've been fed about the Grays over the past 30 years or so.  That was the original goal of this thread, to present the other side of the story to counter balance the disinfo........to make people think.

Trust me, I know how fun it is to believe the official story.   I used to, (when I was a kid and teen.).   Why?  Because in the time period where I was born and have been raised, I was fed the schpeel (sp) along with everybody else.  We have been INUNDATED with the Grays over the past 30 years.  Since I'm already into the weird topics, it was one more to soak up and roll around in and revel in.   This was already talked about at the beginning of the thread though, so I won't retread over old ground and bore people.


I will recap though what some of these plot holes, as I call them, involve:

1.   The fact that we've been pummeled with this info. for the past 30 years to the point where Grays are a media staple and mega $$ making marketing item.  Gee, isn't this suspicious?   

2. If they really were light beings who love us and who are here to save the day, where have they been all this time?   hm.   They've supposedly been here all along, but only now during the past 30 years are we being told that they're here to save us.    hm. 

3.  The fact that we're told that they are "us in the future."   Puhlease!   Right!   And we're supposed to BELIEVE this??   

If you want to talk about intuition, let's talk intuition.  And while we're at it, let's talk about common sense as well.    I can excuse myself for buying into this....when I was like, 15.   But not anymore.   Now I have too much other information and life experience at my disposal to factor into the equation.   When I was 15 I didn't have the other info., I was only getting the disinformation, (whether it was intentional disinfo. or inadvertant)   

So I'm trying to reach people who have only focused on the fluff / disinformation.

See, in society we're given the TOTALLY typical two choice scenario to pick from when it comes to this subject.   It's either: 

1.  Aliens don't exist.  That's bunk and you're crazy.  Now leave me alone so I can go back to studying my science textbook which knows everything. 

or

2.   Aliens exist!   They're real!   They're REAL and I BELIEVE!   I BELIEEEEEEVE!!   They're us in the future, they bred out their genetics, they're taking us for our sperm and eggs so they can fix themselvs, and they're going to usher us into a new age of enlightenment!   And swap technology with us in the meantime!    I BELIEEEEEEEEVE!"

But there's a third option, which is, Yes this phenomenon is real, yes, something exists which can be called a "Gray", but it's most likely not what we're being told it is.   The truth, (if there is such a thing!!) may be a lot worse than we realize, I don't know.

But see, THERE'S a thought!   And that's the one I never got growing up.  I only heard the other two.   So faced with such polar opposite choices, I of course picked the second. 

This thread is about the third.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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I'm replying here to kestrel's questions from another thread, to keep on-topic.

kestrel wrote:

Sorry, for being uninformed on the subject but is there any known way of becoming "invisible" to these so called hyerdimensional beings? [...] by becoming "invisible" to these forces we would empower ourselves.

I've never heard of a way of doing that.

It would appear to me that if they can alter their "frequency" to pop in and out of our "dimension" then we should be able to do the same.

Why?  I don't think that's logical.  We can't change colors like a chamelion or light up like a firefly.  I don't see any reason to think that, if there are "multidimensional" creatures, that we'd have their same abilities too. 

I'm assuming these being are what ICKE and others refer to as being reptilian in nature.   In fact, it would appear that by revealing this threat we are removing power from them ...

Yes, communicating about this is of crucial importance.  Awareness is fundamental.

I think we all have become saturated with all of the info on what's going on who's doing what etc... and further discourse on the subject is just wasting time.  It would seem that the next logical step would be to bring "the fight" to those that are doing the manipulating?

How would you propose doing that?  If the enemy is either other-dimensional or in space, it's not going to be that easy to hit them with rocks.  And "fighting" might not be the best way to handle this threat.   The whole E.T.-invasion issue is a lot like the "War on Terror" -- a minority of us know the true extent of the manipulation and lies, but you can't attack "them" head-on.   If you go and start physical  attacks on an oppressor, while the masses still believe in the official story, then even the masses will turn against you because they'll perceive your actions as those of a terrorist, not a liberator.  Therefore, it's actually counterproductive to frame things in a "battle" mentality.  It's the same thing with the alien issue.   I think the priority has to be on education and awareness.   It's the same on both sides -- the E.T.s aren't overtly attacking either.   Instead, they're trying to convince us to accept them willingly (see the "everything you've been told about the greys is bunk" thread).   So, no ... we're not capable of "bringing the fight," nor should we.  Yet, anyway.   

The time may be fast approaching where things will be heating up a lot more and UFOs will be clearly invading us for all to see.   Or perhaps that day will never come, if enough of us keep talking to others and raising the general level of awareness in the population at large.  Therefore, the best thing any of us can do at present is to keep reading and studying, so that when and if the time of an overt ET takeover attempt comes, we are armed with as much knowledge (military intelligence!)  as is possible.

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Why?  I don't think that's logical.  We can't change colors like a chamelion or light up like a firefly.  I don't see any reason to think that, if there are "multidimensional" creatures, that we'd have their same abilities too.

Logic is a function of knowledge.  Just because you don't know that something does or doesn't exist doesn't make it necessarily so.  You may believe that "We can't change colors like a chamelion or light up like a firefly." but what are you basing this on.  If you would have asked a guy in the 18th century if it is was possible for a person to hover in the air or fly to the moon, he too might have responded with "that's illogical.  Well is it?

Every living thing resonantes at a frequency, FACT.  It's been postulated that these entities are able to pop in and out of dimensions by shifting frequencies.  It's been known that certain people in this world have been able to bilocate, astrally project or whatever you want to call it.  How are they doing this?  Are we not "multidimensional" creatures as well.  You have to "think outside the box".  Humans have greater abilities than we realize, it's just that we've been conditioned to think otherwise.


herefore, it's actually counterproductive to frame things in a "battle" mentality.

I wasn't thinking about conventional warfare.  Again, you should think outside the box and past societal conditioning.  This isn't about blowing up aliens like in the movie Independence Day.  If "they" had this intent then they would have already used it.  There's something else going on, what are they waiting for?  When you can answer this question then you will know how to "Fight the Future".  There are many ways to undertake a battle, not all battles are fought or won through physical altercations.

I think the priority has to be on education and awareness.

Education and awareness is good... that is if you have years and years available to you.  How long is it going to take?

So, no ... we're not capable of "bringing the fight," nor should we.  Yet, anyway.

I'm not so sure about this.  How would you know?  When would be an appropriate time to start.  Again, I'm not talking about arming the "Star Wars" Lasers and just start blasting away.  There are spiritual and interdimensional forces at play.  This is going to require a different tactic.

The time may be fast approaching where things will be heating up a lot more and UFOs will be clearly invading us for all to see.   Or perhaps that day will never come, if enough of us keep talking to others and raising the general level of awareness in the population at large.

I don't mean to be harsh but this is rather naive for you to believe.  It's sounds like you've been studying some of the UFO phenomena.  Do you really think that who or whatever the controlling force is behind UFOs really cares about whether we know about them or not.  In fact, there have been literally thousands of sightings and evidence to suggests that the UFOs have been around for a long... very long time.  Does this sound like they care about what we know about them?  It rather sounds like they come and go as they please and do what they will to us already.  If you're expecting some "Event Horizon" as in Hollywood terms, you're in for a big suprise.  They are here already!

Therefore, the best thing any of us can do at present is to keep reading and studying, so that when and if the time of an overt ET takeover attempt comes, we are armed with as much knowledge (military intelligence!)  as is possible.

Well keep on reading, I think you'll eventually find the "cookbook" that you're looking for but more than likely you're not going to understand it.  I'm not understanding how you think that military intelligence is going to help you.  If you think that the military is a valid source of information, unless you're in the military with a cosmic clearance and even then I'm not sure, then you're in serious trouble!

"None is so blind as he who will not see, and none is so deaf as he who will not listen."

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kestrel wrote:

Logic is a function of knowledge.  Just because you don't know that something does or doesn't exist doesn't make it necessarily so.  You may believe that "We can't change colors like a chamelion or light up like a firefly." but what are you basing this on.

Experience.  If you can demonstrate otherwise, let's see it.

kestrel wrote:

I wasn't thinking about conventional warfare.

Well then, what were you thinking about?  You didn't say.

kestrel wrote:

When you can answer this question then you will know how to "Fight the Future".  There are many ways to undertake a battle, not all battles are fought or won through physical altercations.

Again I ask, what are you talking about? What are you trying to get at here?  I believe that avoiding physical conflict was MY point here, was it not?

kestrel wrote:

Again, you should think outside the box and past societal conditioning. [...] I don't mean to be harsh but this is rather naive for you to believe.  [...]  I think you'll eventually find the "cookbook" that you're looking for but more than likely you're not going to understand it.

You haven't actually articulated any specific suggestion or thesis, yet have the audacity to tell me how I should think, and call me "naive" because I didn't respond in line with some unstated assumptions of yours?  "A cookbook"  I won't be able to understand? What?!  You have no idea in the world who you are talking to.       Through your whole post, you're just putting out open-ended questions.   So if someone tries to offer an answer, you might want to try showing courtesy and respect.

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Lyra wrote:

No, you can't actually.   Because you're 3rd density.   They're above you.   If they want to snag you, they can snag you.  Just like your dog or cat really has no choice in the matter when you decide to load them up in the car to trot off to the vet to get poked and prodded.  Or the pig, chicken and cow really have no choice in the matter when you'd like to have some sausage, chicken chow mein or prime rib.

Lyra, you have a lot of good ideas, and terrific & insightful personal experiences, but may be selling yourself short here. 

The greys hold us in awe because of our spirit's potential.  That's why they want to purportedly combine with us to make a new (slave) race.  All that 'potential' harnessed in a collective, instead of individualized.  How convenient and beneficial for them!  Agreed, one can't do anything to prevent abduction if one is not accessing or developing that potential. 

I would strongly suggest that if one buys into the victim mentality, one would be preparing the way for your own demise.  Please be aware of this... 'they' want to get you feeling powerless.

Lyra wrote:

They go after those who have fear.......................but also those who invite them in, because they've been tricked into believing that abductions are this amazing, powerful New Agey spiritually enlightening experience.   Which brings things back around to the entire underlying point of this thread.   Not falling for the New Age disinformation propaganda.

This is bang-on in my opinion.

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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Morningsun wrote:

So, in other words:   A human says "abduction is wrong."  The grey responds "you agreed to it already, and now you are just in denial."   Well, that sounds rather fishy to me.

I agree with you Morningsun 100%.

Morningsun wrote:

The ultimate result is that ETs could do whatever they wanted with a person like Jen, since she accepts their activities as "visitations" as opposed to abductions.   This is just classic warfare techniques being applied.   You don't march your troops into a new land and slaughter all the natives if you don't have to; it's much better to make them LOVE you and WANT you to rule them.  That way instead of decimating the area, you simply take control over the infrastructure that's already built, and use the people as your willing servants.  That's a much more efficient and effective way of doing things.

Hmm...  good point.  It makes for a good piece of pondering to juxtapose your position Morningsun with Stuie Wilde's "Love everything, even the devil" philosophy.  (As in his book "God's Gladiators" available in the files section.)  Definitely worth further thought.

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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visavis wrote:

The greys hold us in awe because of our spirit's potential.  That's why they want to purportedly combine with us to make a new (slave) race.  All that 'potential' harnessed in a collective, instead of individualized.  How convenient and beneficial for them!

visavis, I agree with much of what you say, but from what I've read and intuited, the Zetas' purpose is not to create a slave race, but to create one that combines the best of both the Zeta and the human species:  great intellect combined with great capacity for feeling.  The Essassani race is a testimony of the success of this hybrid project, and is represented by the Bashar entity,  speaking through Darryl Anka.

There's a thread here at NR that I initiated, Bashar On The Dark Side, if you want to check it out.  It elucidates many of the thoughts I've shared in this thread.

[...]

I would strongly suggest that if one buys into the victim mentality, one would be preparing the way for your own demise.  Please be aware of this... 'they' want to get you feeling powerless.

Only the negative Zetas approach us with that purpose, and they can't mess with us if we don't already have issues with this, as you indicate.

Thank you for the info about what Stuie Wilde says in God's Gladiators,
that we should love everything, even the devil.  One insight I have come to in the last year is that we need to find our way to loving our family, no matter what, and especially our parents.  Until we can do that, we will always be projecting the anger and unforgiveness we feel toward  them, onto other people or beings.