16 (edited by aaronfirebrand 2004-06-03 14:22:16)

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Lyra, I can go back 50 years (in my mind) and tell you it wasn't this way then. As I said, I don't have any science to back any of this up. My thinking here is that there are better minds here for this type of speculation (montalk?). I have a sort of gestalt about this stuff sometimes, and I always figure that there's a reason I get it. This forum is really my first opportunity to speak my mind without fear of ridicule. (Actually, I'm so far past that particular fear, having accustomed myself to the usual reaction.) I agree with some others here that ALL of these unexplained events work together to further an elite agenda. I see television as a major aspect of the hive-mind, but virtually anything of an "official" nature is used as it can be to implement Orwell's dystopia. You can't have newspeak without 'newthink'. Remember, they're bringing "order out of chaos". I think that the most important component of their "order" would be a population in accord with itself. Was it Ayn Rand who spoke of "one neck for one leash"?

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In a Michael Crichton book about nanotech going haywire, I think it's called "Prey" ,he goes into the science. I guess he researches his "stuff." I'll check to see, but I'm pretty sure he talked to scientists in this rapidly evolving field. Aaron, he mentions "clouds" of  nanotech bots attacking people, infecting them till they are zombified rails, and then making the cloud around them a simulation of the healthy person. In this case they're alot more advanced, but I'll bet your idea is right on target because they must be able to create at least an odd assortment of nano-infector agents, catalysts, etc. of a chemico-biological nature. This is no doubt something to consider now, as in the near future the tech may advance very rapidly. This is all VERY hush-hush, which could be a part of the reason I got an ear-ring just as I was typing "nanotech bots." Grumpff.

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I like Michael Crichton, but 'Prey' is one I haven't read. Sounds exactly like what came to my mind. Thanks. Oh, remember what we call state-of-the-art has generally been developed decades ago.

19 (edited by JT 2004-06-04 09:20:36)

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Hi All,

Rainbow coloured Chemtrails here - I think that must be a first!

Either that, or the Red Arrows were practising :-D

http://www.rense.com/general53/ovca.htm

Warm regards

JT

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manyeagles wrote:

I happened to hear about a website that supposidly has information on how to build a device to get rid of chem trails (chembusters I think).  Wonder if anyone has heard of this, or if it really works.

This one I guess?

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/goodbyects10jan02.shtml

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This is interesting:                                                                                     http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ch … /index.htm

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Possible chemtrail connection to bizarre "infection":

http://www.morgellons.com/

And:
http://eerc.ra.utk.edu/insites/ins11-1.htm
Quote:
A biological system can be exceedingly small. Many of the cells are very tiny, but they are very active; they manufacture various substances; they walk around; they wiggle; and they do all kinds of marvelous things–all on a very small scale.

–Richard Feynman, “There’s Plenty of Room at the Bottom“?

Melechko is part of Oak Ridge National Laboratory’s (ORNL) Molecular-Scale Engineering and Nanoscale Technologies (MENT) research group and works closely with Michael Simpson, MENT founding principal investigator, and Timothy McKnight, MENT staff engineer, on several projects at the interface between the physical and life sciences.

A key component of this line of research is the fabrication of minuscule carbon nanofibers, which serve as tiny tools that form an interface with living cells. Funding for these projects comes from the Department of Energy, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) of the Department of Defense, and the National Institutes of Health. CEB received one of the DARPA grants.

“Nature is a nanometer-scale factory, and we are trying to mimic what nature is doing,“? Melechko says. “We can’t make as fine a machine as nature, but we can work on a slightly larger scale.“?

One foray into manipulating the nanoenvironment has Melechko and his colleagues synthesizing probes from carbon cone-shaped nanofibers. The team coaxes the fibers to grow into vertically aligned arrangements like a forest of tiny tubes.

The tubes, fused at high temperatures (700 degrees C) onto silicon wafers, taper upward to a tip that is only about 30 nanometers, less than one-tenth the size of the base. That’s about 100 times smaller than a typical mammalian cell.

By comparison, in genetic engineering research such as cloning, a micropipette is used to deliver a gene into an egg. “A micropipette is pretty big, almost the size of a cell,“? says Melechko. “It requires a trained professional and can be applied to just one cell at a time.“? With these forests of carbon nanofiber tubes, multiple probes can be introduced into living cells.

The team then fuses genetically modified genes onto the tips of the nanofibers and inserts the resulting probes, which are like tiny graphite pencil tips, inside the membranes of cells derived from a subclone of Chinese hamster ovary cells. “We insert a nonliving object with a gene on it into a cell without killing the cell,“? says Melechko. “The gene is integrated inside the cell as a new, artificial organelle.“?

Also:

http://www.timehascome.worldbreak.com/P … fibers.htm

But you say, "how do you know this electrospinning process can be mobile?"

Simple: look at this report from NASA itself:
http://techreports.larc.nasa.gov/ltrs/P … 3-1768.pdf
"The electrospinning set-up was completely self-contained and MOBILE."

See? Imagine that you're a commander in the military. What better weapon to use than a mobile electrospinning process? The vapor deposition process (CCVD) appears to use too-large a machine, so that's probably not used. The laser ablation idea is kind of neat, too... You could always outfit a flying craft with THAT...

No we're not crazy. We're angry. People out there have rashes with fibers in their lips, arms, and legs. No, doctor! Don't call it "scabies". Not this time pal. Let's talk electrospinning and polymer nanofibers first. Don't call it excessive tire wear on the roads. Wrong answer, man. What's wrong, doctor? Cat got your tongue? Can't talk about electrospinning and nanofibers now? Please, doctor, don't lie to me when you tell me what it is that you pulled from my lip.

We're getting closer to the answer, and the people with the "stupid" fibers in their lips are getting closer to the truth. Believe me, they're calling them more than just "stupid". Even if you are a skeptic, once you take a look at these links and look at the fibers, there's no way any human can deny that these fibers are being used as a weapon against us. If you think that's wrong, please tell it to the people with fibers fish-hooked into their lips. Please, do that first before yelling at the messenger. And don't use the phrase "collateral damage" with them.

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Wow.

23 (edited by Torarota 2004-06-09 04:59:36)

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Chemtrails and Sexual Behaviour (Did not want to start a new thread so just I stick this one here instead)


I have noticed increased overly sexual behaviour...not simply a projection. My gut feeling tells me this might be linked to chemtrails activities. I will not go into details here. Not necessary. Let's just say that what would have been considered "sexually inappropriate" 10 years ago seems to be now on full display and not limited to "raincoat wearers" and dirty old men. Could this be localized to my area (Ontario)? Could this be a creation of my mind (I am refering to the well known theory that your world will show you what you think it is) ?

Two things that may be useful to "Toltec" practitioners, Energy workers, "Magicians" or simply those wishing to hold on to their Energy rather than give it away uneccessarily (Yes, ACQUIRING ENERGY THROUGH SEXUAL ATTENTION is one of "OPs" favourite methods).

-Entertain the fire (through "tracking" Toltec methods for example)
-Do not "get close to it" or act like you are entertaining it, or like you even see it.

Otherwise simply look away.

I have (very subtly) referred to some sexual subconscious programming elsewhere on another post. I am sure some of you did notice that (subtle) hint!  ;-)


Some feedback on these points would be apreciated.

"He simply said: Laianela"

24 (edited by lyra 2004-06-09 05:15:15)

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Torarota wrote:

Chemtrails and Sexual Behaviour (Did not want to start a new thread so just I stick this one here instead)

I have noticed increased overly sexual behaviour...not simply a projection. My gut feeling tells me this might be linked to chemtrails activities. I will not go into details here. Not necessary. Let's just say that what would have been considered "sexually inappropriate" 10 years ago seems to be now on full display and not limited to "raincoat wearers". Could this be localized to my area (Ontario)? Could this be a creation of my mind (I am refering to the well known theory that your world will show you what you think it is) ?

Some feedback on these points would be apreciated.


Personally, I don't feel the increased sexual behavior / crude sexuality on display has to do with chemtrails.   I could be wrong, but I feel there's something different happening here.   I think it does have everything to do with the media, and their campaign to desensitize everybody and normalize the perverse.   All this is due to the "polarization phenomenon", where people are branching off, and the good are getting better and the bad are getting worse.   We're polarizing naturally on our own, due to internal signals, probably as a result of the "Shift."   The Powers-That-Be are aware of this, and so therefore have instilled their all-out campaign to pervert the world, in an effort to lower as many people's frequencies as possible as well as counterbalance the tendancy many will have to polarize towards the positive / STO.

We see this all around us where ever we go:   Movies, t.v. shows, magazines, commericals / advertising, music, the internet, etc. etc..   It's all raunch, all the time.    Many people who are submerged in this don't even see it.   They don't notice, because it's gradually crept up on us over the past 30 years or so, as "they" have been raising the bar.....up.......up.......up.......turning the dial of perversity higher and higher with every passing year.    But when you detach yourself from media, and cut t.v. out of your life, decrease your movie watching over a long enough period of time, you begin to emerge from this.   Suddenly you can see what others around you aren't noticing.  And it's QUITE shocking.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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25 (edited by Torarota 2004-06-09 05:48:50)

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Lyra wrote:

They don't notice, because it's gradually crept up on us over the past 30 years or so, as "they" have been raising the bar.....up.......up.......up.......turning the dial of perversity higher and higher with every passing year.

and

Lyra wrote:

The Powers-That-Be are aware of this, and so therefore have instilled their all-out campaign to pervert the world, in an effort to lower as many people's frequencies as possible


Agreed. I still strongly feel there is also some chemical/electro-magnetic thing going on there.

Some of you who are familiar with these techniques may want to try experimenting with Reiki, visualization, "magic"/holographic magic and beaming techniques (with or without geological devices) towards the active elements of chemtrails. I have been doing this a few times. There is no harm in trying, is there?

"He simply said: Laianela"

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Torarota wrote:

Right. I still strongly feel there is also some chemical/electro-magnetic thing going on there.

So what makes you feel this way?

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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27 (edited by Auendove 2004-06-09 06:16:10)

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Torarota wrote:

Some of you who are familiar with these techniques may want to try experimenting with Reiki, visualization, "magic"/holographic magic and beaming techniques (with or without geological devices) towards the active elements of chemtrails. I have been doing this a few times. There is no harm in trying, is there?

Hmmm... could you explain the technique you utilize "towards the active elements of chemtrails."

Which active elements are there that you are targeting?  Just the chemicals or the energy behind those doing the trailing?

You are attempting to transmute the negative/dis-easing aspect at its source?

What have you noticed resulting after having done this a few times?

Torarota wrote:

There is no harm in trying, is there?

While I have not a clue one whether or not there is any harm in what you suggest, and I want to know more of what you are talking about, there's something about your last line that makes me uneasy when I say it and when I heard it said by another.  It's always a good question to fully explore when it presents itself.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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Torarota,

What tool of discernment are you using to ensure you are transmuting energy, rather than empowering that energy?

This is the question that comes to mind when asking what harm is done in trying.

Once again I'm not saying that I think it's right or wrong that you do as much, I just want to better understand.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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I think the sex thing is mostly a media and suggestion/hypnotic control "mind game" as Lyra says. Some of the hormones in foods and the medical "take a pill for everthing" stuff have also effected this. There have always been "ultra horny" people and at least a few docs who have "cheered em on" so to speak, for ages the men, but now the female docs are joining in, mainly because feeding on sexual immaturity and insecurity creats a whopping paycheck.

As far as chemtrails with hormones or other unknown agents, it's possible, but consider that the human sexuality and hormones are exceedingly multifaceted, individualized, and fragile. Messing with it without precision could lead to effects other than those intended.

Perhaps orgone theory applies here, though, in that altering weather patterns can affect the human sexuality according to this theory. But isn't it more subtle, in fact aren't many of the effects, other than the obvious physical ones, likely to be geared to the subtleties of the human system? Whereas the advertising system and visual image manipulation, for example, bypass the "real" and give a mere cartoon sexuality which one accepts subconsciously, despite knowing consciously that real people's sexuality has no resemblance to this. It's trickery.

Chemicals involve an unseen force on the physical level, and as such they must have an entire language that we know in our cells, but our minds cannot grasp.

30 (edited by Torarota 2004-06-10 06:05:31)

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Lyra wrote:

Torarota wrote:

Right. I still strongly feel there is also some chemical/electro-magnetic thing going on there. 


So what makes you feel this way?

My experience with "psychic" perceptions...Usually around 75% accurate. Does this sound pretentious? I guess it does!


Auendove wrote:

Torarota wrote:

Some of you who are familiar with these techniques may want to try experimenting with Reiki, visualization, "magic"/holographic magic and beaming techniques (with or without geological devices) towards the active elements of chemtrails. I have been doing this a few times. There is no harm in trying, is there?


Hmmm... could you explain the technique you utilize "towards the active elements of chemtrails."

Which active elements are there that you are targeting?  Just the chemicals or the energy behind those doing the trailing?

You are attempting to transmute the negative/dis-easing aspect at its source?

What have you noticed resulting after having done this a few times?

The technique itself is not the main point. The main points are a clear intent and a strong intent. I use techniques such as Reiki distance treatment mixed with energy transmuting techniques, there is also elements of visualization involved. I am afraid this can't be explained in a few lines. It is mostly based on practice. No Hocus Pocus will have any effect if the intent and knowledge (that it works) is not there.  I am targetting the active elements themselves. I have not noticed any results but once again the intent is usually sufficient in "magical" practices. Actually I have not  really noticed the effects of the chemtrails on myself.

Auendove wrote:

What tool of discernment are you using to ensure you are transmuting energy, rather than empowering that energy?

Sorry, I am gonna have to answer "my experience" and "a clear intent" once again.

Sednasphere wrote:

Perhaps orgone theory applies here, though....I think the sex thing is mostly a media and suggestion/hypnotic control "mind game" as Lyra says. Some of the hormones in foods and the medical "take a pill for everthing" stuff have also effected this. terns can affect the human sexuality according to this theory.

Yes. Probably a mixture of media manipulation +chemicals. I am not familiar with the Orgone theory. i will look into it.

The facts are: In terms of chakras/level of awareness in humanity the survival stage (base chakra) and pleasure seeking stage (sexual chakra) are active in most of the population. The 3rd chakra is active in a large portion of the population (self-expression, will power, social status), the further "up" you go the less these levels of awareness are reached (still on a collective level). The fact is that since the proper development of higher chakras is directly dependant on the good functionment of lower ones it is common sense to target the 2  lower chakras/levels of awareness ("I need money or I'm gonna die!" and "I need pleasure or I won't be able to cope!") to try prevent the development of individuals.

As far as sex is concerned you probably have noticed that sex is either "Demonized" or "Worshipped". Both attitudes are reflective of imbalance. I believe sex should not be equated to perversion (which is the case really for both puritans and hedonists) but understood to be a natural function and acted out as such. A "natural" outlook on sex would (in my opinion) prevent both these unhealthy attitudes. This seems to be somehow an Utopia considering the current state of things.


Auendove wrote:

Torarota wrote:

There is no harm in trying, is there?


While I have not a clue one whether or not there is any harm in what you suggest, and I want to know more of what you are talking about, there's something about your last line that makes me uneasy when I say it and when I heard it said by another.  It's always a good question to fully explore when it presents itself.

It was meant cynically. Yes, It is a cliche expression.I meant that unless you actually try you will not experience the results. It is a lot easier to just dismiss ideas to avoid our beloved beliefs being compromised...Purely cynical.

"He simply said: Laianela"