Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk (Page 16 of 24)

!!! I didn't know that Keith co-authored this book.  Keith is a close acquaintance of mine.  To be honest, seeing his name on there lends the work more credibility IMO than Lyssa's alone.

....It was so saturated with disinformation I couldn't even read with a detached perspective.  The book is absolutely MADDENING.  I can't believe people BELIEVE this stuff!!!!   dahhhH!!!  So I for one can't wait to see the PDF version with the attached comments!!   Look forward to it...

Coolness!  Maybe you couild let him know about this discussion, he might find it of interest. Wouldn't it be great if he could join in here??

morningsun, if anyone is playing devil's advocate here, I think it is me.  A devil's advocate is one who argues the less popular point of view.  I think it's clear by now that my take on the Zetas is the less popular one

Nor would I, but I read a very interesting account, widely publicized, last year--wish I could remember the names etc.--about a woman who encountered an intruder in her home, who had just killed his girlfriend I think.  She kept her head, talked to him as one regular person to another regular person,  let him stay overnight, made him breakfast in the morning (one detail I remember clearly:  he was overwhelmed that there was real maple syrup with the pancakes!) and he then submitted to being arrested.  People were incredulous and the woman was the heroine of the hour.

It may be significant that she was on a spiritual path, and shared with the guy some concepts from a spiritual book she was reading (wish I could remember which one it was).

I actually don't feel the analogy you imply with the Zetas is accurate, just wanted to share that story.

OK so I read a bit of this book, and wanted to share a few initial comments.

First of all, from personal experience with Lyssa, and more so Keith, I can say that these are two people who genuinely want to help people and be of service.

I didn't realize that the book itself was channeled.  It must be rather old then, because as far as I'm aware Lyssa has given up channeling.  I don't know exactly why, but I will say that she is not the only person I know of that has given it up recently.

The problem with channeling is that people seem to want to give more credence to channeled material then, let's say, a conversation with somebody on the street.  I think this stems from that pesky idea that not having a physical body somehow confers a greater degree of spiritual authority on a person. 

Always consider the source.  Let's take Dubya for example.  I have always been struck by his sense of righteousness.  He truly believes he is doing the right thing.  He truly believes that he is justified in his actions.

Now.  What if Dubya got on television and proclaimed that the FACT that American soldiers have been killing innocent civilians in Iraq is PROOF that they, on some level, agreed to be killed?  How do you think that would go over?

The Zetas seem to be offering the same explanation.  Can I compassionately sympathize with their plight?  Yes I can.  Do I agree that abduction is the solution?  No, I don't.  And if a couple of Zetas materialized in my bedroom today I might have a conversation with them about that and see if we can come up with a better solution.

Consider the prophecies put forth on Zetatalk.  Assuming that they came from the same source AND knowing that so many of them have not come true AND knowing that the Zetas seem to have made some rather drastic and questionable choices in their past, then I don't believe that they have earned my trust, and I will continue to be very skeptical about what they say.

To the degree that this all plays into the STS/STO debate, keep in mind that in 3D and up to 5D, the STS agenda is not an open and conscious rebellion against the Will of God.  People don't sit around and have meetings where they discuss what evil they can bring into the world.  They control and manipulate because they believe that people need to be controlled and manipulated for their own good.

The other element that comes into play here is the idea of soul contracts.  Do they exist?  I am inclined to say that they do.  What I have a problem with is when new-agers use the concept of soul contracts to become complacent to events that are disheartening and/or downright destructive in their lives.  Why did Uncle Bob repeatedly rape little Timmy?  Oh, I see, it was a "soul contract".  That makes it all better then.  Let's get back to lovin' and lightin'.

There must be a point in evolution where we can choose to become aware of these contracts, and can choose to fulfill them consciously. 

Last night I had a conversation with a friend where I was lamenting about the fact that I repeatedly draw romantic relationships into my life that turn out to be severely distressing.  Do I know that I was 'supposed' to meet these people?   Absolutely.  Did some very positive things come out of these relationships?  Absolutely.  But why all the heartache?  What purpose does that serve?

He got an intuitive hit that I have a relationship coming where the other person might have some kind of terminal illness and that all of these experiences are preparing me for this.

Well I am open to that.

The truth is that if I could have the kind of connection that I know is possible with another human being, I would go for it.  Even if they were going to die.  Because the connection would be so strong that even death would be unable to break it.  In fact, it would strengthen it.

My point is that I am no longer a spiritual infant.  I haven't achieved mastery, either.  But I am at a stage in my own personal evolution that I can evaluate these kinds of things, abductions included, from a multidimensional standpoint.  I understand that great good can come from loss.  I know that I am a part of something much greater than my little ego-life here on planet Earth.

So hit me with it.  If I've got contracts out there I want to know about them.  If I've agreed to help the Zetas repair their genes then tell me.  Don't steal me away in my sleep, because I haven't agreed to that.

True agreement must exist on all levels, including this limited level of awareness that we call 3D.  Anything less is only partial agreement, and from that can only come partial performance of the contract.

Jen.  Here have a cookie.

I, for one, am not attacking you, and I am not attacking this book.  I suppose I could read the book in its entirety, but I think I'd rather give Keith a call and have a discussion with him personally.

I challenge you to go beyond the book, or any book for that matter.  People are quick to forget that the authors of books continue to live their lives, and come to new awareness about things, while their readership seeks to canonize and dogmatize the material. . .