Topic: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

I have to chose to do a Research Paper on the the federal reserve, and a while back I read someone talk about how it is not a government corporation but a private company.
So I discussed this with my teacher and she helped my find a question to present in this paper - how many people know about this fact , if indeed this is a fact, and why would people think its a government corporation.
P.S. I don't know if saying government corporation is correct?

So can someone plz give me soem facts or clue me in on where to look for research.
I know I could have picked an easier topic - but everything just seems so anger focused such as did the governement respond well to the huricane or is it racist that the NBA proposed a dress code , just feel the vibes of anger in those subjects.

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Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

try these:

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/fr5.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

i've heard it said that "the federal reserve is no more a government agency than federal express".

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3 (edited by wandering1 2005-10-26 00:16:14)

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

Good topic.  My understanding is that the Federal Reserve is a private corporation.  I think that it is designed to look like it is part of the US government.  The name itself is a case in point.

There are some ties to the US government, but not in terms of ownership.  For example the US President does appoint the Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve is the #1 bank is the US.  Banks, in general , have the ability to create money.  A fundamental way that they do this is by making loans.  Let's say that a bank has $100.  Let's say that it needs to keep 10% of its assets on hand - in this case $10.  That means that it can make a loan for $90.

Now there is $190 in cash rather than just $100.  That $90 was just "created'.
Now imagine that the Federal Reserve makes a loan to a bank which then makes a loan to another bank.  You can see that lots of money is "created" this way and this contributes to inflation.  This system is called the fractional reserve system.

A key point is that the Federal Reserve is owned by an international group of bankers.  Private bankers. 

Here is pdf copy of a book called "The Mystery of Banking":
http://www.mises.org/mysteryofbanking/m … anking.pdf

Moderate inflation may not be a big deal.  However, we now have a situation where the US dollar, a "Federal Reserve Note" is not backed by precious metal such as gold or silver.  With a lack of commodity backing, and continued high deficit spending, this can lead to a situation where inflation can become hyper inflation and that has significant economic consequences.

For example, it may become the US dollar may become less valuable in relation to other currencies.  This has the effect of making goods and services from other countries relatively more expensive.  This may contribute to reducing the standard of living in the US.

Another factor is that oil is currently bought and sold in US dollars and only in US dollars.  If other countries want to buy oil, then they need to convert their currency to US dollars.  This creates demand for US dollars and contributes to increasing the value of US dollars.

Iran has announced that they are going to open a "bourse" or exchange (like a stock exchange, but for oil) in March of 2006 in which they will sell oil in Euros.  This may contribute to further decreasing the value of the US dollar.

4 (edited by Aprogas 2005-10-26 01:14:30)

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

Saddam switched to Euro during the Oil-for-Food Programme...

Both Iran and Venezuala are pushing OPEC to change to Euro alltogether, and Chavez recently ditched all US dollar assets in favour of Euros.

You may also be interested in US Treasury Securities (the US Treasury *is* a government agency for as far as I know). See http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt and http://home.netcom.com/~rdavis2/tshldrs.html. From Wikipedia:

Treasury securities are government bonds issued by the United States Department of the Treasury, through their agency the Bureau of the Public Debt. They are the debt financing instruments of the U.S. Federal government, and are often referred to simply as Treasuries.

So basically Japan and China are major financiers for the US government. See the history of Chinese and Japanese holdings of US Treasuries and not how in the 5 year period where Japanese holdings roughly doubled, Chinese holdings roughly tripled. Where would the US government be without those extra 150 billion dollars from China over the past five years (on average that is about 80 million dollars per day). Will China eventually catch up with Japan and become the major foreign holder of US Treasury Securities?

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

http://www.justiceplus.org/bankers.htm

There's also a "documentary" or "educational film" called "The Money Masters", which is really good
http://www.themoneymasters.com/
You should be able to find it online somewhere

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

In addition to the excellent information already provided.  I would highly recommend the book "Creature from Jekyll Island".  It will explain an awful lot about "today's world".  http://www.realityzone.com/creature.html
Flinter

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

Thank you alot guys , i just glanced at the post right now before school and it looks like i'll have good sites to get my info from after school?

P.S. I love all your help and im into the conspiracy things and stuff along those lines, but if my Paper is based on conspiracy i'm going to fail it - I looked at the sites and read the post and some seem to conspiracy based.

Im srry I have to say this its just school sucks and i have to only get my source from resonable source which i think is f***ing stuiped.
Thank you ill be checking in.

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Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

Jack Strat wrote:

try these:

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/fr5.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

i've heard it said that "the federal reserve is no more a government agency than federal express".

What I mean is my teacher wont accept sites like "mindcontrolforums" you understand what I'm saying.
It's jus she is so into America and being politicaly correct that she goes crazy when i mention anything liek this.

I love your help but its just my teacher is f*cking asleep ( you know what I means);)

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Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

NotOneThing--
      just use the information, don't reference the websites. Mullins' work is generally accepted as truth. his books are sold on amazon.
      maybe your teacher is like some i had in school. they didn't "go crazy"--they were there already. we just gave them a nudge and they went away. and we ended up with better teachers!
      and maybe it's up to you to challenge her status quo with unassailable logic.

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine."
     Che Guevara

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

NotOneThing:

Do what feels right.   The educational system is in shambles and the answers to essay questions are already known although they may not be correct.  Perhaps if you want to change the system you should become a teacher and change it from the inside.  Contradicting and/or antagonizing your teacher will only get you a bad grade.  Follow your heart!  It sounds like a chicken shit type of advice but the world turns one rotation at a time...........just wait for the right one!  Some people change the system from within others go to revolution.  Two different approaches.

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

NotOneThing wrote:

I have to chose to do a Research Paper on the the federal reserve, and a while back I read someone talk about how it is not a government corporation but a private company.
So I discussed this with my teacher and she helped my find a question to present in this paper - how many people know about this fact , if indeed this is a fact, and why would people think its a government corporation.
P.S. I don't know if saying government corporation is correct?

NotOneThing,

I think what you're trying to ask is "why would people think it's a PRIVATE corporation, as opposed to a department in the government?

I don't like the way your teacher is setting up the question for you, though: "why would people think that?"   That question ASSUMES in and of itself that it's a stupid idea ... "why would anyone in their right mind believe such a crazy thing?!"   Or "how many people know about this fact?"  NO!! Your main point is not to discuss HOW MANY people know it!   Right?   So if your teacher is insisting that you "present a question" in the paper, maybe you could try something like "How did the Federal Reserve come into being?" or "What is the basis for money in America?"  Something like that would probably be closer to what you want to talk about, I bet. 

I'm guessing you're in high school, right?  I bet that particular teacher is not the only one like that ... the whole system is designed to drill you into conformist thinking and obedience.   That's why you have loud (Pavlovian) bells ringing to begin and end each class.   Most of the teachers are a part of that program without even realizing it; they just think they're doing their jobs.    Do your best to stay sane and not buy into all the lies and mind-control, and stand up for yourself if you know you're right (just do it carefully and diplomatically  wherever possible).

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

NotOneThing -- Flinter suggested a book by G. Edward Griffin "Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve" -- and I second the recommendation.

Griffin -- is a researcher and doesn't write without documentation.  I was fortunate to meet him about 15 years ago.  His book "A World Without Cancer" amazed me, so  I simply called his publisher -- who was himself.  AND he lived in Calabasas -- I lived in LA -- so I drove out to meet with him and spent about 3 hours just talking about "stuff."  He was gracious and inspiring.

NotOneThing -- you live in LA -- not sure if he still lives in Calabasas but I'll bet he would be very happy to meet with someone who is interested and awake!!

Good luck.

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

You could always go to the law itself:  USC Title 12 (Banks and Banking) Chapter 3 (Federal Reserve System).

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html … 01_12.html

Or try the Fed's website:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/

Federal Reserve Banks are not government agencies because, well, they are banks. 

Federal Reserve Banks are not publicly owned, as you can't buy stock in the company.

Therefore Federal Reserve Banks are privately owned corporations. 

Federal Reserve Banks, as all banks, operate for profit.  That's why they charge the government and other banks interest on the money they loan/print.

You may find it helpful to historically follow the debate over the concept of central banking systems.  It's something that we take for granted, as just part of the way things are.  But prior to the passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, it was a hotly contested issue.

We have all learned the phrase "no taxation without representation" in school as a primary reason for the Revolutionary War.  Actually, the real issue was that the British Crown was demanding that taxes be paid in gold, while the various Colonies wanted to pay their taxes in printed notes.

A note is a promise to pay.  It is like I wrote down on a piece of paper that I owe you 10 ounces of gold, signed it, and handed it to you.  The note is not the money itself but something which can circulate as money.

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Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

Wow i amazed by the response! Thnx
One thing I forgot to mention is this is not only a rrsearch paper it is A DEBATE TOPIC THING so it has to be a debatable question.
God this is the worest part.

Democracy = Your choice - Their rule.
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15 (edited by tenetnosce 2005-10-27 14:39:03)

Re: About the Federal Reserve info for a research paper

AB wrote:

From the point of view of the FR banks, the more money they spend on subsidizing economic research the less tax they pay. So funds are gushing forth abundantly, and are granted generously to subsidize research in dismal monetary science, taking good care to shut out any dissonant noise about the gold standard."

I'm not a big fan of the fiat money system, however for the purposes of debate, I'm not clear that a return to the gold standard is the best solution to the problem.

Gold has always been tied to nobility, and a big part of the story of the United States is gaining freedom from control from the oligarchy.  To be certain, we have ended up substituting one group of elitists for another.

A little known fact which relates here is the original Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which, according to some sources, was ratified by the states in the early 1800's.  This Amendment prohibited people with titles of nobility from holding public office in the U.S.   Now you don't hear much of Dukes and Princes running for office, but government offices are chock full of lawyers (e.g. John C. Smith, Esquire), who do in fact hold titles of nobility.

Glossed over in U.S. history books is the War of 1812, which was a war of the British Crown and the Federal Government of the United States, NOT the States themselves.  That's why only Washington, D.C., and various federal military establishments were attackes.  It is speculated that part of the reason for the torching of D.C. was to remove evidence of the existence of this Amendment.

During the next 50 years following, the stage was set for the Civil War, and again the controversy over central banking was a primary theme.  Interestingly, both the North and South were funded by different branches of the same bank (Rothschild).  Following the secession of the Southern states from Congress, much new legislation was railroaded through Congress, including the new Thirteenth Amendment prohibiting slavery.

Having U.S. currency tied to gold was a big problem because it allowed a major avenue for the Crown, and the bankers supporting the Crown, to maintain a hold on U.S. economy.

A little known fact is that, while individuals in Bankruptcy have their slate wiped clean after 7 years, for nations that time period is 70 years.

The first major loan taken out by the Federal Government was in 1789, just after the election of George Washington and the foundation of the U.S. Dept. of Treasury.

1789 + 70 = 1859.  The following year saw the beginning of the secession of the Southern States.  I would suggest researching Abraham Lincoln's views on central banking, rather than slavery, for some interesting related facts.  Point being, the U.S. now needed to borrow more money, which of course would only be allowed through reaffirmation of the original unpaid debt.

1859 + 70 = 1929.  Heavy manipulation of the U.S. stock market causes it to crash.  Was the crash engineered by U.S. creditors to get another reaffirmation of the debt?

Shortly after in 1933, Congress passed HJR 192 which forbade anybody from demanding gold as payment for debt.  Hence "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE".  That same year, the international gold standard was dissolved as a result of the London Conference.   

1929 + 70 = 1999.  Another crash, but this time limited to the tech stock sector. 

Coincidence?

The main problem with having a gold standard is that it severly limits the issuance of credit, which under a fiat system, is essentially infinite.

My feeling is that U.S. policy makers have been pretty much gambling that if they allow U.S. businesses and individuals to borrow enough money, our natural creativity will enable us to capitalize on the debt.  To this end, I think having faith in the American people is a noble endeavor, though whether or not it wise remains to be seen.

There is no denying that we are at a critical junction here.  The question is whether enough people will make a return to a sustainable value system, which is of course the true backing for any monetary system. 

If we brought back the gold standard tomorrow, there would be massive deflation of our currency which would result in the default on billions of dollars of borrowed money.  I don't think there are too many people that would welcome that change, however it may be prudent to prepare for such an occurrence.

I'm not an economist, but IMO a better solution would be to back worldwide currencies by an index of several different commodities that are of differing value to society.

Why did we choose gold in the first place?  That is the subject of a whole other inquiry.  But what I've always found strange is that, generally speaking, gold is rather useless.  Why would anybody base their economy on something that has such little practical purpose?

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