Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms! (Page 2 of 3)

I recall that in Conversations with God, "God" was clear that experiencing pleasure, including pleasure through sex in any form, was a good thing.
And as tenetnosce noted, the Pleiadians are all for sex as well, but they do emphasize only hooking up with a person who really loves you.
Something that I've found is easier said than done!

I found a description of higher-level sex in an online book, The Mission of the One Star, thought it was worth posting here.

http://galactic-server.com/planet/one-star-03.html#7

Reminds me of what Shakti Gawain says about falling in love--that it's
really about feeling the universe moving through you.

John thanx for sharing this knowledge.
I specially liked your male\female figuring, very profound.
All the creation is indeed female.
And for the thread, I think that lizzies food is actually your feelings and thoughts about your acts and not the acts themselfs,
so  for example if you feel guilt after you musturbate THEN you feed the deamons.

For what it's worth.

My sense is that 'it depends' certainly applies.

A friend of mine and I had a talk along this lines once. I think it was the author from  'a course in miracles' he mentioned that after doing 'copperwall meditations' had his senses in essense explode, he caught wave after wave of emotions from those around him and he was actually able to see 'energy exchange' from male to female and the path it flowed. He also was able to observe some homosexual interactions and the same energy exchange did not occur.

So there is energy transfer/ dissipation in some way or form, so my sense is it boils down to intent. When I have done it to fulfill me, I felt different than when I sought her fulfillment first.

My sense is that if there wasn't at least some positive outlet there would be no need/ attraction to build up sexual energy(this might be an overly simplistic view). At the same time even if you want to 'transmute' the sexual energy, there has to be an attraction of sorts to enable it to be activated/ built up.

I feel there is a positive outlet somewhat less 'metaphysical' than transmutation of the sexual energy and that comes down to intent/focus and clear conscience.

It’s always interesting hearing what people have to say. I can certainly relate to some of the questions and comments that have come up under this thread.

I like what Lyra said – and I tend to agree – that if there’s a problem we’re having with sex, or with anything else – we should look into it for ourselves and try to find out the root of our problem.

I wanted to share an exchange between J. Krishnamurti and a questioner regarding this topic (from The First and Last Freedom) – it’s a tad-bit lengthy but it’s absolutely relative to all the comments posted under this thread and well worth consideration IMO.

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ON SEX

Question: "We know sex as an inescapable physical and psychological necessity and it seems to be a root-cause of chaos in the personal life of our generation. How can we deal with this problem?"

Krishnamurti: "Why is it that whatever we touch we turn into a problem? We have made God a problem, we have made love a problem, we have made relationship, living a problem, and we have made sex a problem. Why? Why is everything we do a problem, a horror? Why are we suffering? Why has sex become a problem? Why do we submit to living with problems, why do we not put an end to them? Why do we not die to our problems instead of carrying them day after day, year after year? Sex is certainly a relevant question but there is the primary question, why do we make life into a problem? Working, sex, earning money, thinking, feeling, experiencing – you know, the whole business of living – why is it a problem? Is it not essentially because we always think from a particular point of view, from a fixed point of view? We are always thinking from a centre towards the periphery but the periphery is the centre for most of us and so anything we touch is superficial. But life is not superficial; it demands living completely and because we are living only superficially we now only superficial reaction. Whatever we do on the periphery must inevitably create a problem, and that is our life: we live in the superficial and we are content to live there with all the problems of the superficial. Problems exist so long as we live in the superficial, on the periphery, the periphery being the ‘me’ and its sensations, which can be externalized or made subjective, which can be identified with the universe, with the country or with some other thing made up by the mind.
    So long as we live within the field of the mind there must be complications, there must be problems; that is all we know. Mind is sensation, mind is the result of accumulated sensations and reactions and anything it touches is bound to create misery, confusion, an endless problem. The mind is the real cause of our problems, the mind that is working mechanically night and day, consciously and unconsciously. The mind is a most superficial thing and we have spent generations, we spend our whole lives, cultivating the mind, making it more and more clever, more and more subtle, more and more cunning, more and more dishonest and crooked, all of which is apparent in every activity of our life. The very nature of our mind is to be dishonest, crooked, incapable of facing facts, and that is the thing which creates problems; that is the thing which is the problem itself.
What do we mean by the problem of sex? Is it the act, or is it a thought about the act? Surely it is not the act. The sexual act is no problem to you, any more than eating is a problem to you, but if you think about eating or anything else all day long because you have nothing else to think about, it becomes a problem to you. Is the sexual act the problem or is it the thought about the act? Why do you think about it? Why do you build it up, which you are obviously doing? The cinemas, the magazines, the stories, the way women dress, everything is building it up, why does the mind think about sex at all? Why? Why has it become a central issue in your life? When there are so many things calling, demanding your attention, you give complete attention the thought of sex. What happens, why are your minds so occupied with it? Because that is a way of ultimate escape, is it not? It is a way of complete self-forgetfulness. For the time being, at least for that moment, you can forget yourself – and there is no other way of forgetting yourself. Everything else you do in life gives emphasis to the ‘me’, to the self. Your business, your religion, your gods, your leaders, your political and economic actions, your escapes, your social activities, your joining one party and rejecting another – all that is emphasizing and giving strength to the ‘me’. That is, there is only one act in which there is no emphasis on the ‘me’, so it becomes a problem, does it not? When there is only one thing in your life which is an avenue to ultimate escape, to complete forgetfulness of yourself if only for a few seconds, you cling to it because that is the only moment in which you are happy. Every other issue you touch becomes a nightmare, a source of suffering and pain, so you cling to the one thing which gives you complete self-forgetfulness, which you call happiness. But when you cling to it, it too becomes a nightmare, because then you want to be free from it, you do not want to be a slave to it. So you invent, again from the mind, the idea of chastity, of celibacy, and you try to be celibate, to be chaste, through suppression, all of which are operations of the mind to cut itself off from the fact. This again gives particular emphasis to the ‘me’ who is trying to become something, so again you are caught in travail, in trouble, in effort, in pain.
    Sex becomes an extraordinarily difficult and complex problem so long as you do not understand the mind which thinks about the problem. The act itself can never be a problem but the thought about the act creates the problem. The act you safeguard; you live loosely, or indulge yourself in marriage, thereby making your wife into a prostitute which is all apparently very respectable, and you are satisfied to leave it at that. Surely the problem can be solved of the ‘me’ and the ‘mind’: my wife, my child, my property, my car, my achievement, my success; until you understand resolve all that, sex as a problem will remain. So long as you are ambitious, politically, religiously or in any way, so long as you are emphasizing the self, the thinker, the experiencer, by feeding him on ambition whether in the name of yourself as an individual or in the name of the country, or the party or of an idea which you call religion – so long as there is this activity of self-expansion, you will have a sexual problem. You are creating, feeding, expanding yourself on the one hand, and on the other you are trying to forget yourself, to lose yourself if only for a moment. How can the two exist together? Your life is a contradiction; emphasis on the ‘me’ and forgetting the ‘me’. Sex is not a problem; the problem is this contradiction in your life; and the contradiction cannot be bridged over by the mind, because the mind itself is a contradiction. The contradiction can be understood only when you understand fully the whole process of your daily existence. Going to the cinemas and watching women on the screen, reading books which stimulate the thought, the magazines with their half-naked pictures, your way of looking at women, the surreptitious eyes that catch yours – all these things are encouraging the mind through devious ways to emphasize the self and at the same time you try to be kind, loving, tender. The two cannot go together. The man who is ambitious, spiritually or otherwise, can never be without a problem, because problems cease only when the self is forgotten, when the ‘me’ is non-existent, and that state of the non-existence of the self is not an act of will, it is not a mere reaction. Sex becomes a reaction; when the mind tries to solve the problem, it only makes the problem more confused, more troublesome, more painful. The act is not the problem but the mind is the problem, the mind which says it must be chaste. Chastity is not of the mind. The mind can only suppress its own activities and suppression is not chastity. Chastity is not a virtue, chastity cannot be cultivated. The man who is cultivating humility is surely not a humble man; he may call his pride humility, but he is a proud man, and that is why he seeks to become humble. Pride can never become humble and chastity is not a thing of the mind – you cannot become chaste. You will know chastity only when there is love, and love is not of the mind nor a thing of the mind.
    Therefore the problem of sex which tortures so many people all over the world cannot be resolved till the mind is understood. We cannot put an end to thinking but thought comes to an end when the thinker ceases and the thinker ceases only when there is an understanding of the whole process. Fear comes into being when there is division between the thinker and his thought; when there is no thinker, then only is there no conflict in thought. What is implicit needs no effort to understand. The thinker comes into being through thought; then the thinker exerts himself to shape, to control his thoughts or to put an end to them. The thinker is a fictitious entity, an illusion of the mind. When there is a realization of thought as a fact, then there is no need to think about the fact. If there is simple, choiceless awareness, then that which is implicit in the fact begins to reveal itself. Therefore thought as fact ends. Then you will see that the problems which are eating at our hearts and minds, the problems of our social structure, can be resolved. Then sex is no longer a problem, it has its proper place, it is neither an impure thing nor a pure thing. Sex has its place; but when the mind gives it the predominant place, then it becomes a problem; when the mind understands its whole process and so comes to an end, that is when thinking ceases, then there is creation and it is that creation which makes us happy. To be in that state of creation is bliss, because it is self-forgetfulness in which there is no reaction as from the self. This is not an abstract answer to the daily problem of sex – it is the only answer. The mind denies love and without love there is no chastity; it is because there is no love that you make sex into a problem. "

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The next chapter in the book that I got this excerpt from is on Love, and the questioner asks JK,
“What do you mean by love?“

Excellent suggestion, lyra.

There are so many conflicting ideas around sex and sexuality in this realm, and on my growth and learning path I've been at the whim of many of them myself. I've come to some tentative conclusions at this stage, that I thought I'd share. This comes both from my experiences which produced awareness, as well as inner communion with higher self/spirit/intuitive knowing regarding the entire subject.

Libido is the creative force rising in a spark of the One. It stems from a yearning within to create something… and I'll dare say something "new". True it's been used in repetitive patterns recreating or maintaining the old over and over… but the act itself doesn't change even when the consciousness around it does. So… the thing itself is simply what it is. When it flows to us and rises up in us, it seems to be a reflection of a universal desire to generate creation - after all we are all a spark of the One Infinite CREATOR. What we "put on it" in the way of emotions and thoughts and beliefs and attitudes… is where the work is.

One might consider masturbation as "making love to the universe via the self, without bias". In other words, using one's creative energies to merge with the essence of the universal creative force without a target of "other". An open merger. A statement of engagement with the natural flow of energy gifted to the Self. An acceptance and a saying "yes" to life as it presents itself to the individuated self.

When one's awareness is present and the decision is made to accept the opportunity openly and see where it leads, something will certainly flow from such a statement, edifying one's existence in some new way. Again, the point is consciousness, not matter.

And when the rise occurs with the sense of desire for merger with a specific other, one might consider it an acceptance and a giving of love, energy in its essential form, to this "another one of myself". There is only One, in myriad form. At this level, the Oneself expresses in various ways. "Other" is a reflection of a part of Self still in separation in one's consciousness. Merging with that, or desiring to, points to unification, not further separation.

Sex is one of the most intimate bonds we can form with another, and to do so with the awareness of unifying, of "becoming as one" in a world of separation, if only briefly, is sacred. So few in this level can do so freely, that to open and allow the doing freely... is a doing of monumental significance here, I'd say.

There are so many beliefs, rules, dogma, restrictions and attitudes around sex and sexuality at this level that a simple allowance of natural flow with awareness is likely a most expansive accomplishment, being that it's so rare at this level. Any hindrance to the acceptance and allowance of it's natural urging would be, in my estimation, where any work to be done is indicated.

On the other hand, directing it with deliberation, while understandable given all that's put forth about libido, is nonetheless still a manipulation or coercion of life force to serve the limited mind's idea of right or wrong. Frankly it's an indication of a lack of trust in one's essential nature and life itself. Clearing the need to control it at all would go a long way, I sense. It has nothing to do with right or wrong, it is what it is, and it flows naturally at this level and inspires action naturally. Witnessing while participating, holding reverence for the symbolic implications of the action being taken, feels most appropriate.

And I dare say that in this way, it serves the growth of the self while serving the whole. A form of serving self that serves others... perhaps this is an answer to a question put to the C's by Laura years ago; "How does STO live in an STS realm?" The answer was "Discover". But many other times there was a statement by the C's that resonates quite strongly with me in my heart: "Life is natural. STO lives naturally." (paraphrased)

If participated in as described above, sex is no longer about one's thoughts about it that reside in a limited mind, it is about acceptance of what life presents in its most natural form and flow. It wouldn't flow to you if there was no value in it doing so. Allowing it to move you and inspire action without pretense is the least predatory, least manipulative and most cooperative and open engagement with life there is.

And if there ceases to be a value or need for you to experience such a thing, arousal will simply not occur. At that point, acceptance of that too goes a long way. Another manipulation we tend to do at this level of existence is to force libido when it wasn't naturally flowing... people tend to do this for many reasons, not the least of which is to "feel normal" according to beliefs about what constitutes such a thing (case in point: viagra). Again, an example of mental manipulation/coercion of nature.

Or so it seems to me at this point.

I feel the same way Tenetnosce.  As you said that a lot of people on this forum are very fond of the C's and I can see on some instances why.  The description and breakdown of higher dimensional worlds is interesting but other aspects of the channelling process bothers me.  I finished reading the 1995 session and am halfway the 1996.  The sessions seem very disorganized and Laura goes from being nice at one time to being basically a bitch (I have no better words to describe her).  Some sessions dealt almost in its entiretely to Laura's or somebody in the group private lives and woes.  Questions such as :

Is so & so going to pay me?
Should I have my lawyer write them a letter?
Should I take legal action?

These kind of menial crab clutters all the stuff that most of us are looking for.  In the 1995/1996 sessions Laura asked about other people doing channeling and 95%+ the answer was they were either lying, deceiving, agents of the Lizzies or had their own private agenda.  How convenient that her C's are one of the few channelings going on out there that are for real!  I do find some of the sessions very interesting and have made me think about the possibilities outside 3D.  This is just my opinnion!

Anyway, I apologize for getting off the subject.

Sowelu,

This is a wonderful explanation.  I would have never comtemplated looking at masturbation in a positive way as long as it is acceptance of what life presents.  I will think about your statement.  Thanks for the post.

Tenetnosce,

Your thoughts are self explanatory and from within me I feel approval.  But then again these are just my feelings.  everybody else may look at it differently.  Almost like breaking light to different colors in the visual spectrum by means of a prism.

I used to think like a Texan...."Bigger is better".  But not anymore.  My thoughts are frienship and content are better!

From whyhwyhwy:

"I deleted a sentence I posted earlier on this post for it was quite judgemental on Laura.  I understand that I am allowed an opinnion but I'll find better/diplomatic ways to convey it on later postings."

TY