Topic: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

From the C's:

Q: (L) I have read that when you are at the higher spiritual levels that you can do a spiritual merge which is better than
orgasm. Is that true?
A: Why do you need orgasm of any kind?
Q: (L) Well, it does seem to be like one of the penultimate experiences of physicality. (T) That's exactly it... it's
physicality... (L) If that is so, isn't everything that exists in the physical, 3rd density world, in some way a reflection of
experiences or states of being on higher realms?
A: 3rd density as you experience it is an illusion you have been fed to continue your imprisonment therein.
Q: (L) So, in other words, there is no cosmic orgasm that keeps the worlds in existence as exemplified by the eternally
copulating Vishnu and Shiva?
A: That is Bull! [laughter]
Q: (L) Well, they teach this stuff in the Eastern religions and they even have the idols sculpted in this posture...
A: That is a rationalization to continue the illusion.
Q: (L) So, in other words, the orgasmic experience is quite literally a lure to keep us... (D) Controlled... (T) And in the
third level... (L) Is that true?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Let's go back to a question I asked in another session on this same subject: what happens to our energy at the
point of orgasm? Where does that energy go?
A: Drains to 4th level STS.
Q: (T) Is this a manifestation of the Lizards feeding off of us?
A: STSers there retrieve it.
Q: (T) So, orgasm is a 3rd density manifestation of the 4th density consumption of 3rd density energy?
A: One of their methods.
Q: (D) In "Bringers of the Dawn" it talks about sex and it says that it is an expression of love and so forth and that you
should not have sex with someone who does not really love you.
A: Love is all that is needed.
Q: (L) If two individuals, as an expression of true love at higher levels, desire to express this love in a physical way, is it
possible to channel the energy in a positive way without feeding the 4th level STS guys?
A: Nope.
End Quote

If this is accurate I am screwed!  I have a long ways to go..........

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

It seems pretty accurate to me.  I know that "feeder entities" go for one of two things - terror, or orgasms.   To put it bluntly.  If scaring the bejeesus out of you no longer works, they try for the other.  That proved to me that the Big O does indeed feed "stuff" in other realms.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

lyra wrote:

It seems pretty accurate to me.  I know that "feeder entities" go for one of two things - terror, or orgasms.   To put it bluntly.  If scaring the bejeesus out of you no longer works, they try for the other.  That proved to me that the Big O does indeed feed "stuff" in other realms.

I would say this "there are some healthy Lizzies out there because of me" and I don't see a major change in the near future.  I guess my salvation is that I am not getting any younger and as I age one will hope my interest will wane.  Yeah, that's my plan!  I will find other ways to balance the energy exchange between 3D & 4D.

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Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

Hmmm, I have noticed that I am increasingly detached from the physical sexual act, that it seems less and less relevant in my life.  I think the energy is being channeled in other ways, and that I am satisfied with non-sexual experience and expression of love--with my son and my cat, for example.  But, naturally, it is next to impossible to avoid getting into that with a boyfriend.  Could be one reason why I have drifted away from those involvements. 

But, I can certainly understand where you are coming from, whywhywhy.
Ooops, wrong choice of words? yikes

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Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

whywhywhy wrote:
lyra wrote:

It seems pretty accurate to me.  I know that "feeder entities" go for one of two things - terror, or orgasms.   To put it bluntly.  If scaring the bejeesus out of you no longer works, they try for the other.  That proved to me that the Big O does indeed feed "stuff" in other realms.

I would say this "there are some healthy Lizzies out there because of me" and I don't see a major change in the near future.  I guess my salvation is that I am not getting any younger and as I age one will hope my interest will wane.  Yeah, that's my plan!  I will find other ways to balance the energy exchange between 3D & 4D.

Well....ya gotta do what's right for you.  !   

You know, I did like the reminder though regarding this line from the C's:

"3rd density as you experience it is an illusion you have been fed to continue your imprisonment therein."

It seems no matter how many times I read or hear material that says this, I could always use the reminder.   This came at a timely moment in my life, when I'm trying to detach from many aspect of 3D.   So this was good to read.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

I am not entirely convinced about this.  Sexual energy seems to be able to project us into higher states of consciousness...and from my experience orgasms can really act as a boost for this, and the results are often spiritually and physically very positive.  I can't say that some critters don't get some of this energy - but if they do, then so what?

Everything we do in life gives of energy, or waste or whatever that just goes on to feed something else.  It is part of our life and our reality.  Even the dead skin that flakes of from us feeds something.

Personally I think there is a lot of confusion over sexual energies.  They can be very positive and very negative - and truth be known you will know straight away which type you are experiencing.  Just like you instantly know if you are walking up a hill or down a hill, or if water is hot or cold; you don’t need clarification from anyone else.

Maybe when we transcend this realm we will find that sexual energy doesn’t exist there.  But it does exist in this realm, and it isn’t something to fear.  To take care with – for sure!  But it is something very integral to our 3D reality, and our way of being.

I am not really sure what the C’s are trying to say there.  That STS entities can feed of it?  Well then learn to control it.  Just as STS entities can feed of fear – so you transmute it into something else.

Just step back from yourself next time you are having an orgasm or any sexual experiences / thoughts, and see what is going on inside yourself.  You will know very quickly if it is positive or not.

On a final personal note, after some orgasms I have been left with the most amazing energy levels, and shear awareness of my surroundings.  And that is saying something coming from a man! (Men usually want to sleep after orgasm!)

Like with all other energy, it’s all about directing it.  You can have an orgasm and spew the energy all over the etheric – and this is what most people seem to do.  But if you keep a modicum of self awareness, and discernment you will find you can direct the energy in some very subtle ways.  It’s one of the easiest ways to start learning how to direct energy around your body – because the energy is so vital and noticeable.

I am sure some entity or another can also feed of our farts – but I wouldn’t worry about it too much.  Just keep some control and direction over what you are doing.  Awareness is the key!!

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

Jen wrote:

Hmmm, I have noticed that I am increasingly detached from the physical sexual act, that it seems less and less relevant in my life.  I think the energy is being channeled in other ways, and that I am satisfied with non-sexual experience and expression of love--with my son and my cat, for example.  But, naturally, it is next to impossible to avoid getting into that with a boyfriend.  Could be one reason why I have drifted away from those involvements. 

But, I can certainly understand where you are coming from, whywhywhy.
Ooops, wrong choice of words? yikes

I think everybody will find something that works for them.  If not on this cycle maybe the next.  By the way, it was a great choice of words!

One more thought, as a 3D being we feed from 1D & 2D forms.  What will we feed off when we migrate to 4D?  I guess the answer will depend on what type of being you will be ....STS (feed of beings negative energy on 3D) or STO(??????????)..........

lyra wrote:

It seems no matter how many times I read or hear material that says this, I could always use the reminder.   This came at a timely moment in my life, when I'm trying to detach from many aspect of 3D.   So this was good to read.

I am glad I can be of help.

8 (edited by whywhywhy 2005-10-24 11:56:45)

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

Marcus wrote:

I am not entirely convinced about this.  Sexual energy seems to be able to project us into higher states of consciousness...and from my experience orgasms can really act as a boost for this, and the results are often spiritually and physically very positive.  I can't say that some critters don't get some of this energy - but if they do, then so what?

Everything we do in life gives of energy, or waste or whatever that just goes on to feed something else.  It is part of our life and our reality.  Even the dead skin that flakes of from us feeds something.

Personally I think there is a lot of confusion over sexual energies.  They can be very positive and very negative - and truth be known you will know straight away which type you are experiencing.  Just like you instantly know if you are walking up a hill or down a hill, or if water is hot or cold; you don’t need clarification from anyone else.

Maybe when we transcend this realm we will find that sexual energy doesn’t exist there.  But it does exist in this realm, and it isn’t something to fear.  To take care with – for sure!  But it is something very integral to our 3D reality, and our way of being.

I am not really sure what the C’s are trying to say there.  That STS entities can feed of it?  Well then learn to control it.  Just as STS entities can feed of fear – so you transmute it into something else.

Just step back from yourself next time you are having an orgasm or any sexual experiences / thoughts, and see what is going on inside yourself.  You will know very quickly if it is positive or not.

On a final personal note, after some orgasms I have been left with the most amazing energy levels, and shear awareness of my surroundings.  And that is saying something coming from a man! (Men usually want to sleep after orgasm!)

Like with all other energy, it’s all about directing it.  You can have an orgasm and spew the energy all over the etheric – and this is what most people seem to do.  But if you keep a modicum of self awareness, and discernment you will find you can direct the energy in some very subtle ways.  It’s one of the easiest ways to start learning how to direct energy around your body – because the energy is so vital and noticeable.

I am sure some entity or another can also feed of our farts – but I wouldn’t worry about it too much.  Just keep some control and direction over what you are doing.  Awareness is the key!!

Very eloquent description of your position on this matter.  I tend to agree with you.  After all is all an illusion.  Make the best out of it until you get tire of it, then move up to the next level..........simple!  Some will make the jump faster than others, but who is counting.  Anyway, once we all reach level 7 it will all start all over again.  BANG!

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

I think that you cannot avoid and hide from something that you didn't fully experienced and fulfilled.
Even that  you know the best intellectually, you cannot skip the experience stage, that's what I  learned this far, one cannot escape his deepest deamons/cravings, one can only face them, live thru them and then accept and obj. observe.

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

I must speak up here.  The "idols" of the Eastern religions are misunderstood in the West (as are many things), and also by those also without spiritual education in the East, who are purposely kept in the dark by the Brahmins, etc.,  and who do not really care about it all, anyway.  The apparent copulation is really a symbol or an external reminder to the people of the divine union, consciousness (which is male) merging with energy (which is female) at a divine level,  the kundalini reaching the brain of the person and the seventh chakra opening fully.  This is completely experiential.  God is known then in his infinite form and the person has merged, has witnessed the ocean of consciousness while still in the body, and dances with God.  Truly, unending love.  It is all over then, OM is home and the world is seen for what it is: more God. 

The brain is the sky of the heart.  The sky is male, the earth is female.  In fact, all of creation is female.  Any remaining karma or desire is shattered and the person is released from the cycle of birth and death forever in any realm.  Of course most interest in the world has been shed by this point anyway.  Energy follows thought, mundanely or divinely.  Only in and from a human body can this giant leap be made, short of this, the rest would be just more working through stuff in other higher worlds and realms.  Slow going.

The demons are trapped and jealous and cannot gain human existence.   But they serve their purpose under God to propel us to make our way back, to make us see what we are really interested in, so there are also statues of demons in the East.

Anyway, the statues are one of the reminders of the divine journey, and the people, the masses, are at least aware at a subconscious level.  This is helpful, ultimately.

Ask God to start the fire and it WILL have its way with you, once it reaches the fourth chakra, it cannot be stopped and eventually, the compassionate and ruthless kundalini burns everything away that keeps you from complete awareness and alignment, with our Father, the First Creator, Who is both Personified and Non-Personified at the same instant, only ever now, now, now.  At one level, the female can bring you a son, at another level, the Divine female will bring you awareness of The Father, she is ever sacrificing herself, but never piss her off because you know what she will bring you then. 

I know directly of what I speak.  Before the Beginning I have loved you all and you me.  Godspeed.

breath, heartbeat, soul, the quickening shift

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

dreamosis wrote:

I'm reminded of a lucid dream I had about a year ago.  I had identified a dream character as a Neg and was about to give it the boot (or try to) when it suddenly transformed into an alluring woman asking me for sex.  In a split second, I totally had forgotten what it was and I...well, began to take "her" in a manly fashion.  Then, suddenly again, I snapped out of it.  (Darn that demon!)  I realized there was a foreign force being projected at my mind and I stopped.  The Neg laughed and shapeshifted again.  It was clever.  It had caused me to instantly forget that I was dreaming and that I had been involved in an argument with it.

This is how Negs nail me (no pun intended) again and again.

Well then there now, Dreamo! I must say that I think this has happened to me at least three times in dreams that I can remember! Not that "she" changes from another form but that there's this blonde haired woman who always 'POPS' into my dreams right after I've 'escaped' from somewhere and she proceeds to uhh 'distract' me . . . so yea, wow! Your post sure served as confirmation for me there!! how unfortunate that the meaning of this encompases so much more than most are willing to admit to . . . what it means is that abductions are a frequent thing and that they happen during sleep! Why else would our society be conditioned to believe that dreams are simply 'phantoms' of the brain and didn't really happen . . . I do, though, still maintain that, during dreams, one's conciousness natually gravitates to the vibrational 'area' most suitable to the energetic frequency of their own energetic being . . .

I am as is Void.

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

wow, I sure am glad I noticed your name and read your post!

johnh wrote:

The apparent copulation is really a symbol or an external reminder to the people of the divine union, consciousness (which is male) merging with energy (which is female) at a divine level,  the kundalini reaching the brain of the person and the seventh chakra opening fully.  This is completely experiential.  God is known then in his infinite form and the person has merged, has witnessed the ocean of consciousness while still in the body, and dances with God.  Truly, unending love.

So, what you're saying is that orgasms have a divine purpose aside from what they are used for by the lizzies. And that purpose is the enlightenment of man and woman?

johnh wrote:

It is all over then, OM is home and the world is seen for what it is: more God.

I love that descriptive - more God. That's really all it is, isn't it?

johnh wrote:

Only in and from a human body can this giant leap be made,

wow. Jesus (and others) come to mind. . .

johnh wrote:

The demons are trapped and jealous and cannot gain human existence.

But why? and how? lol - yes, I am 'one of those' who NEEDS to know the details . . .

johnh wrote:

But they serve their purpose under God to propel us to make our way back, to make us see what we are really interested in

THATS the real purpose of life (incarnation)! To find out what it is that you 'like' - what it is that makes you a 'unique individual'!

johnh wrote:

Anyway, the statues are one of the reminders of the divine journey,.

Yes! As could be said of many other things here - crop circles for one. . .

I am as is Void.

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

All of this is very interesting. Over the past year I have had a remarkable resistance to having an orgasm. Before this I just couldn't get enough! This turn of events has left me baffled. I have spent much time going over various things to see if there was something to account for this, but came up empty. When I do have any-ok I have more than one at a go-I feel really strange, drained in a very unpleasant way. In the back of my mind I feel violated in some way. I have come to accept this change, more or less, and go with it. If it happens I enjoy the moment and try not to let those after affects get to me. In many other areas of my life things that would have set me off seem to slide off of me. I still have a few trigger points that come and go usually when I least expect it.

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

Yeah, suppression never works in the long run. Getting over it requires either transmutation or depletion. The view that makes most sense to me is that sexual energy by itself is just a neutral creative energy. If this energy is channeled through the primal aspects of self, then it becomes physical sexual energy which is expended in orgasm for the sake of physical reproduction, or to create etheric thoughtforms as a side-effect (which the Lizzies then feed upon).  If instead it is channeled through the higher aspects of self, then it will become a creative energy for the expression and implementation of new ideas and the strengthening of soul.

Anyway, I was thinking about the tantric practice of having orgasms without ejaculation, that this is a healthier way since it does not deplete energy. This used to make sense until I had a revelation that perhaps the truth is just the opposite.

This method of withholding ejaculation is how males can approximate female orgasms, yet even female orgasms involve sexual energy expended through the lower chakras. I think that adding a deeply spiritual component to sex does fill out the spectrum of energies involved, but still feeds the Lizzies with the lower frequency energies. For conceiving a child, the full spectrum is absolutely necessary, but if the physical sexual energy does not go towards conception, then it definitely goes elsewhere... So if one wants to stop feeding the lizzies, then no all-out-orgasms, then transmutation instead of depletion.

So what about guys, then? For younger guys at least, the body requires a regular purging and replenishing of semen reserves in order to keep things potent. Wet dreams manifest as a last resort. But that is purely a biological drive, and has zilch to do with transmutations of sexual energies. To prove my point, Viagra, a chemical drug, can increase the libido, but it's surely not a source of sexual energies.

Anyway, to tie it all together, if orgasms regardless of ejaculations feed the Lizzies (or to put it another way - are expended through the lower instead of higher centers due to the very nature of an orgasm) but the male body still requires periodic ejaculation, then the logical conclusion is that if anything must be done, it should be minimally periodic ejaculation without the full orgasm, the opposite of tantric sexual technique.

This should then moderate the biological impulse and allow sexual energy to have an easier time being expressed in creative conceptual ways instead of physical/etheric reproductive ways. I don't know what the situation might be for females, but assume it would be easier for them. Also, I think this would apply primarily to masturbation more so than sex, because it is a great food source for Lizzies and the primary way one can waste sexual energy and create carnal etheric thoughtforms. 

Just thinking out loud here, not advising or condemning anything.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

Re: Stop Feeding the Lizzies.............No more orgasms!

One more thought, as a 3D being we feed from 1D & 2D forms.  What will we feed off when we migrate to 4D?

'pologies for backing this thread up...  what is a 1D form?  A 2D form?  And how do we feed off them?

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti