The Chemtrail Debate (Page 2 of 6)

I can answer that people who fly aeroplanes, who maintain aeroplanes, or who have anything at all to do with aeroplanes are absolute aviation nuts. That is, they are only there because of their love (sometimes scarily) for aeroplanes and the industry. It is no different to people who love music, who are totally into music, play music, listen to it, watch concerts, etc.

Pilots, engineers, etc are already paid large amounts of money as it is, and money itself isn't a motivator, which is why I don't believe that they are 'in' on anything.

I think the story about the guy who supposedly stumbled upon the truth by discovering pipes that weren't supposed to be there is entirely fiction. He does have some knowledge about aircraft maintenance, but the idea that two people are dedicated to the toilet waste area only, is not true. It is not as simplistic as it sounds, and every four years or so the entire aircraft undergoes an overhaul known as a D check, wherby the entire aircraft in a sense is unbuilt then rebuilt, usually in a timeframe of many weeks to a few months. It is in the airline's interest, and their shareholders interests to remove anything that could possibly increase the weight  of the aircraft, because extra weight means extra fuel required, which means extra money spent which is a big issue for them in times of high oil prices. Extra weight in terms of chemicals as well as the pipes required to pump these chemicals cannot be easily hidden, and will be discovered if they even ever existed.

I have also seen photos of apparent chemtrails which show a kind of halo effect, or sometimes a rainbow kind of colour which seems to indicate something that is not water, in which the light from the sun is shining through. Most commercial aircraft have the capability of dumping fuel in flight, if need be for whatever reason, and the fuel vapour as a result of this dumping, could be responsible for the visual differences, and hence the whole idea of chemtrails.

I guess my main point though, is that the aviation industry is massive. Each airline employs lots and lots of people to do similar jobs, and most of these jobs such as maintenance require several people doing the same job, spread in shifts 24/7. It is far too simplistic to say that chemtrails just occur because there is some sort of conspiracy that the airlines are part of. Not only would it be difficult to coordinate, but it would be even more difficult and dare I say, impossible to keep this a secret, given that so many people would need to be involved and remain silent in order to pull it off.

When asked about chemtrails, the C's were somewhat evasive.  They said something like:
"The military industrial complex has to maintain their budgets."  Presumably these flights
are done to prove that we need all these planes flying all the time. 
I've got pictures I have taken myself of these trails.  Even at the same time there were
planes flying obviously higher than the ones spraying and the higher ones were leaving
contrails that disappeared quickly.  The lower ones were leaving trails that spread and
hung in the air and even had the corkscrew look caused by the plane's turbulence.  These
"contrails" persisted and even became those phony looking streaky clouds that eventually
spread to become a hazy overcast over the beautiful blue sky that was there before.

I wish someone had asked the Insider about these things.  He probably would've said,
"Does it matter?" 

Maybe we're just practicing Terraforming.  Maybe they want to keep our DNA from
benefitting from the increased solar activity.  Maybe the planes flying higher than 50 thousand
feet aren't even terrestrial.  Maybe the planes we can see are just copycat activity to mask
the extraterrestrial gridmakers.

I've seen tankers flying LOW, like in the regular flight path altitudes spraying. 

Most people don't even look up. 

TP

I guess this is a good thread to put this then.   But this past week I was working at a conference for the company I've been temping at since August.  It was a space / astronomy conference, attended by men and women who work for NASA, NASA Johnson Space Center, NASA Goddard Flight Center, the Jet Propulsion Lab, the Naval Research Laboratory, Berkeley Space Science Center, Brookhaven National Laboratory, etc. and so on.  I did a write up on some interesting things that came out of it, of which involves me asking a NASA engineer who helps to design space probes what he thought / knew about chemtrails.

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Yes, pretty interesting!      I will post here what I wrote for my own use, excerpting the parts that only  have to do with chemtrails, in order to stay on topic.   I have this whole write up, and I wasn't sure what I was going to do with it.  It's too long to use on the forum, but at least the part concerning the chemtrails can be put to good use. 

Here it is, and sorry for how long it is.   It's a good read though! 

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This week I found myself working at a Space / Astronomy conference at a local ski resort.  Life has taken me down a strange and winding road, and it hasn’t escaped me that I, a self-professed MILABS abductee, conspiracy theorist and metaphysics researcher would be working in the midst of people from NASA, JPL, the Naval Research Laboratory and so on.   What a long journey it’s been from unknowing abductee, out there in the world on my own and alone at 18, working up to three menial blue collar jobs at a time in urban Southern California, to where I am now - age 30, aware abductee, working in the playground of the rich in the middle of the Blue Ridge Mountains.   

As I sat there at the table in the lobby for my 2  ½ days, surrounded by brochures and answering questions, I had ample time to listen and observe.  And even to ask a few questions to the right people.  Me being well, me, couldn’t resist asking the NASA engineer who designs space probes about NASA’s anti-gravity work.    Or about chemtrails.   Did he know what they really were, or had he heard anything about them?   Opportunities like this don’t just come along every day.  Better jump on them when I can, you know!

My conversation with the NASA engineer, who shall remain anonymous, ran the gambit of flying to the Moon and Mars, chemtrails, the government’s hand in nefarious civilian experimentation and who’s really running things in the government.  He was relatively young, probably no older than 30 from my estimation, although I never bothered to ask.  He lived in the Maryland / D.C. area, and worked specifically for NASA Goddard Space Flight Center.   He had been an engineer, but some project he had been working on was now finished, so in the meantime he was acting as a computer techie guy.   I checked for signs of brain stem scarring, but alas, saw nothing.   (sorry, a little government mind control humor;  it’s known that these government agencies use super genius people as their techies, “enhancing"  their abilities through programming via the use of brain stem scarring.) 

But before getting excited about any potential juicy insider information, rest assured, he revealed nothing.  But his denials and professions of ignorance actually said more than anything that he could have admitted to.  To me, anyway.

It started with the chemtrails.   During some quiet down time one afternoon when nobody else was around in the lobby and NASA dude was resting on the couch, staring off into space, I asked from behind my table, "So. . . what do you think is really going on with chemtrails?   Does anybody [in the government] know what they really are?"

Just totally out of nowhere from left field, I know.    But there’s no better way to broach a subject.  Forget easing into it...just jump right in.  And this guy was an engineer, helping to work on space probes.   He would have to know something, I’m sure.

"Wait. . . what?!  Chemtr. . . what??!"

"Chem trails."  And I briefly explained what they were, versus contrails, just to clarify.

"Chem trails...chem, like chemical, chemical trails..."

"Yeah."  (more elaboration from me about what they are.)   He really came across as NEVER having even remotely HEARD of these things.   He seemed aggressively mystified.  That might be a good way of putting it. 

"And you’ve seen this happening?" he asked me, in relation to chemtrail spraying.

"Oh yeah!"  And I gave a brief description of what I’d witnessed in Portland, Oregon, Los Angeles, California, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, right here in Virginia...on this very day we were talking, in fact.... etc.   They’re happening nationwide, on a daily basis, completely covering the sky oftentimes with grid patterns that don’t dissipate for hours.   You can’t miss them, I said.

He just stared at me, mystified, listening to all this nonsense.

Just then, our conversation was interrupted by a scientist from the conference flopping down on the couch next to him.  I went back to reading my book as they talked.  Ten minutes later, after the other guy left, I saw NASA dude go over to the laptop at the end of the table I was sitting at.   

"Well, I found a few websites about these chemtrails,"  he looked over at me. 

“REALLY...."   I smirked.  I couldn’t believe that he was willing to still talk about this, ten minutes after being conveniently side tracked.  Usually most people would have forgotten about it, or welcomed the chance to duck out.

"Yeah.  A ton of websites came up about it when I did a search.   There’s photos, just like what you described.  I admit though, I’ve never seen anything like what’s in these photos."

"Oh, I have, trust me," I said.

"It seems there’s a lot of conspiracies about what they are," he said cautiously, glancing over at me then back to the computer screen.

Figures, I thought.  I nodded, and mentioned that the general public was in the dark, going in circles about what purpose they serve, because nobody can get a straight answer.  And the government is forever denying any involvement, and/or won’t even acknowledge them. 

"Well, here’s what NASA has to say about it...."

"NASA talks about them?!"  I was impressed! 

"Here, take a look.  It’s on their website..."  He got up from the computer to let me take over.

I got up and moved to the end of the table and sat down at the laptop.  The first few sentences revealed NASA’s stance. . . it’s a conspiracy theory, the public is overreacting, basically, to sum up what I was seeing.   "Nothing to see here folks!  Move it along!"

I didn’t even bother to finish reading it.  I rolled my eyes and turned sideways in my seat to see NASA dude.  He was now back on the couch, leaning back, mouth slightly open, brows slightly furrowed, staring at me, as if wheels were spinning, trying to figure me out.   It was a look he would have for most of our conversation.

We resumed our discussion about the nature of chemtrails, and then it got good.

"But why would the government lie to its people?"  he said.  “Do you really believe the government would hurt is own people?"  He said it with such exaggerated pleading innocence that it just sounded totally fake.  He can’t be serious, I thought, as my own wheels began rapidly spinning, trying to analyze him.

Let the games begin.   Or as the Toltecs would say, let the stalking begin.

"Of course they would," I said wryly.  "They do it all the time.  The government is known for experimenting on its own personnel.   For someone who works for the government it might be hard to acknowledge something like that, but for people like me who aren’t in the government we can look at things from a non-biased point of view."    I couldn’t believe I was having this conversation.  A year ago I wouldn’t have had the gumption to pull this off.   Things had changed for me though recently, and very rapidly.   I was now actively living what I know, and becoming more willing to voice it out loud instead of just writing about it under the comfortable anonyminity that the internet offers.   

"Oh, I admit, the government does terrible things to its people, bad things.  And the government lies – my government – lies, all the time, about all kinds of things."  He had this strange, "I’m on your side", fake voice going on.   Just a second ago he was incredulous to the idea of the government lying and hurting its own people.  Now he was all over the idea.  "The people I work for knowingly do bad things to me..."

"Like what?"  I asked, curiously.

"Oh, well, for instance, my boss will tell me to go work on equipment in a room when they still have the radiation on.  He doesn’t care."   He made a "psssh"  face.  "He’s just lazy." he rationalized.   "Totally lazy.  The government is so lazy, about so many things."   There was a small pause, then he said,  "In fact, there was a story that came out a few years ago, you may have heard about it, about how the government deliberately injected a group of black men with..."

"With syphilis, yeah, I know about that."

"And the government had to admit to that, and they apologized for it..."   he went on.  "So yeah, I know, the government has done some bad things. . . very bad things. . . to people, and lied about it..."  He kept going with that gushing, insincere sounding voice.  It was very weird.

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Back to the chemtrails....

"Do you think the President knows about these chemtrails?" he asked me, quizzically, with that puzzled look on his face.

"I don’t know.  Maybe.  Maybe not," I said.  Smirk.

"But think of what you’re saying.   You’re basically saying that there are things going on in the government that even the President isn’t aware of," he said.

More of that exaggerated pleading innocence.  He can’t be for real, I thought.

"Well, yeah. . . I’ll put this delicately, but. . .it’s in my personal belief that there are other factions of the government. . . that the public is unaware of.   And those factions could very well be the ones who are really in charge, the ones who are really pulling the strings."

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Later on though, the same scientist from earlier who’d flopped down on the couch came back, and NASA dude asked him if he’d ever heard about chemtrails.  Again, I was surprised at his willingness to continue to pursue the topic.  It sent a conflicting message to me.  Despite his earlier discrepancy where he acted like the government would never hurt its own people, then admitted in the next breath that they do, I was still thinking there might be a chance that he was actually sincere, and truly curious and mystified based on the fact that he wasn’t eager to just drop it and move on.  So this other scientist, who also shall remain nameless, was a pilot, flight instructor, Ph.D., solar physicist, professor, author, and jumps out of planes for fun.  Oh, and he’d once applied to be an astronaut.  So, he’s not a dumb man, and if anybody would have seen a chemtrail or two it should have been him, considering all the time he’s spent up in the sky.

His response?   He had no idea what we were talking about, "never heard of them", made a face like What the f*** are you talking about? and immediately dismissed it, shaking his head back and forth and frowning.   He wouldn’t even look me in the eye or give me, or the subject, the time of day.  THAT conversation was over. 

Later on after the other guy had left again, NASA dude lowered his voice a little and gestured towards the conference rooms and said, "You do realize that if you were to ask any of them about it [chemtrails] that they would think you’re..." he let it hang.

"Crazy," I twirled my finger around my ear. "I know."

He nodded.

So, there you have it.  Straight from the horse’s mouth, from people who should have a clue about these things but miraculously, don’t. 

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!   So, there are the excerpts pertaining to chemtrails.  I left out the hilarious parts concerning why the United States hasn't bothered to fly back to the moon, and his smooth, fake sounding denial that NASA is NOT working on anti-gravity devise technology....even though my brother, the techie whiz that he was, heard them over his scanning radio equipment doing the testing.    But that's okay.  Nothing to see here folks, move it along!!   

You know, I was torn about believing him too.  He really did seem genuinely mystified.   I couldn't get over it.  Just the WAY he was talking....it was like, Is he for real???   I couldn't make up my mind.

At this point, after that conversation I had, and after reading your post, I'm beginning to realize that it's obviously NOT any part of the mainstream government / military industrial complex, as they call it.   Even the heavy duty hitters, like the DOD, like you mentioned.   They're truly not "in on it."   

Yet, we know chemtrails are most definitely real, there's NO doubt it.   Just look up.   That's all you have to do.  They'll be rigth there, over your head.   Like Tom Paine said though....nobody looks up.      But I have pictures of massive spraying, and so do hundreds of other people.   There are people devoted to researching chemtrails, websites devoted to trying to get to the bottom of them.   They weren't there in the sky when I was a wee tot.   So, something has changed, and we KNOW they're real.

So who's doing it then?  If none of the guv'ment factions are involved, then that really doesn't leave too many other options for who's possibly behind them.  (Read between the lines!)

My other question is...............how do we explain the people who swear they've never noticed or heard about them??   What's going on there???  Why have you for instance, whywhywhy, never heard about them or noticed them until just a few weeks ago?   How is this possible??   What's giong on??   Why haven't you ever seen or noticed them happening, when so many others of us out here have?  This isn't an attack or anything, it's a genuinely curious question.  I truly wonder what's going on here.  Is there an actual mass-programming campaign of some sort to get people to not notice??   It sounds like I'm grasping at straws here...but I guess I kind of am!  haha

Very interesting.........all the areas where I have seen them indeed, had airports very close by.   Portland Oregon -- Portland International Airport was right there.   Fort Lauderdale - Hollywood Fort Lauderdale International Airport was right there.   Los Angeles - Los Angeles International Airport, right there.   Charlottesville, VA - Charlottesville International Airport, right there, with D.C. only 100 miles away.  And all four of those areas had military installations either right there or relatively close by.

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Hi morningsun,

Yeah, that's about what I'm thinking.  Although truly, I didn't really expect to hear much from NASA dude about what, if anything, he knew about chemtrails.   I just wanted to see if he'd admit to having heard of them, and what his reaction would be to my question.   I didn't expect any juicy tidbits.....but I think I did deep down expect to hear that he was at least aware of them.   So imagine my surprise when he professed 100% ignorance, claiming to have never noticed these things in the sky.....................ever.    I mean, talk about shock.  !   Very weird to me.   

I truly think there must be some sort of a conspiracy going on being that people "don't look up", as Tom Paine said.  I used to say the same thing, that "You could fly UFO's around in broad daylight and nobody would even notice, because nobody looks up!"    To me, as alarmist as this sounds, I believe "they" are at the point of no return in terms of being able to do whatever they want, right under our noses.   Because pretty much nobody notices diddly squat.   

People will go on and on and on about some stupid fricking sale at some local store, about their favorite TV shows, about office gossip, family drama, just being a "prole" in every sense of the word as depicted in the novel "1984", but God forbid they should actually look UP and see the chemtrail grid right over their head.   God forbid they should pluck their big butts from the couch and realize "HEY!!!  THERE'S AN ENTIRE WORLD OUT THERE HAPPENING!!!  AND I'M MISSING IT!!!" 

Maybe I ask for too much.......:lol:

Tonight's a nice night in Charlottesville, lots of people are out enjoying the evening, and there's even an Easter Festival taking place in the park complete with carnival rides and a packed parking lot. And what do you know... chemtrails active as ever tonight, even at 11PM.  Global warming? Shielding from UV rays? I don't think so.

And a composite of one drifting by in front of the moon: