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Some excellent articles posted on the noble realms page today.  I've relatively new here, and am enjoying a lot of the threads.

I'm having a challenge understanding and internalizing intent.

What are we really trying to do, or perhaps more appropriately, what should we be trying to do?  How can we override/rise above the natural tendency to call ourselves 'light workers' or whatever while actually be simply operating with a glorified visage of service-to-self?

I really want to understand and be involved in a discussion of tangible ways we can live on a higher / purposeful / actually positive / STO level. 

Please discuss...  (and Please don't mistake my slight frustration and mild cynisicm for a lack of sincerity.)

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2 Reply by RonD (edited by RonD 2005-10-16 21:49:01)

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I've got some ideas on these subjects, but that doesn't keep me from experiencing frustration.  I desire to break down the veils of ignorance in my life, and the process doesn't always happen or feel the way I want.

No one can really tell another what they "should" do.  We do what we can do.  There are causes and effects of different thoughts and behavior.  In STO it is empowering to share our wisdom when it is welcome and workable.

I try to exercise some "awareness" of my free flowing thoughts as they relate to my experience.  These thoughts can discern in positive and negative directions.  I believe this process delivers insights in transforming my life experience.  I let my mind gently flow.  Then, I affirm or conclude with a nuetralizing thought of love toward all people involved.  The best I can muster, then ground in gratitude, and a sense of trust in destiny.

My awareness moves in cycles of stillness, awareness and loving thoughts.  This is my intention.

As in application of STO, I like to help people see what is going right in thier life in a particular moment.  Help people build in gratitude.  It may be impossible to remain down when you grasp your personal blessings.

So what are your special abilities?  This is a good place to start seeing how you can best apply STO.

Visavis, by even asking these questions you show your positive intention and spiritual progress.

I believe there are great challenges to "light workers" these days.  I've heard that light attracts the darkness, and we are amidst a particular entangling mucky grid from controlling ET's.

Thanks for the post.

So how are others on NR applying STO?  Do many here run light through their body?

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Good question, I have thought about this issue quite a bit. What I have gathered so far goes something like this...

Our 3D egos may be STS by nature, however I think there's a part of us within that is pure STO. You could call it the spirit, the Higher Self, the heart, the source of intuition, conscience, empathy, compassion, humble understanding, non-anticipation, and creative enthusiasm. One way of getting around glorified-self-service is to enter into flow with that inner positive impulse. It's always there, alongside the opposite impulse of primal, mechanical, desparate, self-service. The strength of one dominates over the other, and the roles switch depending on the day and hour. But if you can stop for a minute and try to seek out that positive impulse within, then grow it like fanning the embers, then when it ignites you have yourself a boost, a more solid vibrational platform from which to launch STOish thoughts, feelings, and actions.

If you do something positive for another but are preoccupied the entire time with the observation that you are in the act of doing something positive, then that stymies the flow since the ego gets a kick out of watching itself be holy. But if you concentrate instead on the impulse itself, and externally feel/sense/understand the necessity of expressing that impulse, then you forget all about yourself and the ego takes a back seat. By being in the moment, absorbed in carrying out the "orders" of your STO core, the ego has no time to think of past accomplishments or future rewards.

So the phrase "Be. Observe. Feel. Understand. Do." is more in the essence of STO than "Gee, I am doing lots of goodness right now, ain't I speshul...bet someone up there is impressed...can't wait for all that good karma to manifest."

The hardest part is getting into the flow to begin with. Once you are glowing inside, then everything else follows. That might be the first phase, at least...

The Sufis say that at the lowest level, you don't help others....the middle level is where you help and feel good about helping....the highest level is where you function as an impersonal channel for the universe to direct assistance where it needs to go.

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Visavis -- Recently I've had a bit of a breakthrough -- thanks to working with the concept of compassion -- brought about firstly from Katrina, then Rita, now Guatelmala and India --

In the past I had thought compassion meant the feeling of empathy towards yet while reading something from Chogyam Trungpa ("Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism") he said: "Compassion in this sense is not feeling sorry for someone.  It is basic warmth."

WARMTH --- wow ... that opened a huge door for me.  A feeling of warmth.  Pure and simple.

I've tested this -- and when someone irritates me/upsets me/looks at me wierd/is dumb/blah blah blah --- NOPE --- no feeling of warmth.  Zip.  Nada. 

BUT if I try --- get some space/clarity on whatever happened -- and just feel warmth.  Amazing.

I no longer feel irritated/annoyed/judgmental etc.  Quite amazing.

Recent article by Stuart Wilde said something I might not have caught before this recent "warmth" epiphany:

"Amongst the mayhem of the human ghouls and all the ugliness of this world there is a love and warmth here to help us along, and the way to stay in touch with it is to become warm in your heart and honorable like the Tall Boys and Girls are."

I have no idea what IS the road to STO but for me ... this warmth in my heart brings me great comfort.

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As intent applies to Martial Arts (taijutsu) - here is something I have been working on with a friend of mine:

The practising of intent
Intent is a very interesting and very tricky subject to learn.

many people get the wrong idea of what intent actually is - and how to use it properly. There are several ways you can apply and practice intent.

In the beginning it is important to *intend* to hit your uke. The reason this is important is that as you train you want to make sure that when you are in a real situation, you are confident and comfortable with actually using your body to hit and attack someone. The reason why this is critical is that under the stress and intensity of real combat - your senses go haywire (they actually dont go haywire - but unless you are familiar with how you react in intense situations - it will seem euphoric and some senses (like touch) will seem lessened and others (such as your emotions) will be heightened) - so you will be more intouch with your emotional senses during stressful situations and less aware of the physical senses. This natural reaction is a defense mech of the human body - it allows us to become overwhelmed with emotion so that we can flee, and be a little less physically attached so that we are not paralysed by pain.

During situations like this - you need to be in control of and aware of your intent to use your physical body (your fist) to do something (hit). The intent that you will feel must be trained upon so you can recognise when your thoughts are directing your will to use your fist and hit something - and be in control of your emotional state (fear & shock)and your physical senses (adrenal rushes & physical pain)

so that is the first reason why training on proper intent is important. But it is very important that you do not confuse true intent with "looking mean - or being scary" - the scary aspect of someone with real intent comes from the opponent recognizing one who is in complete control of the way they handle the reality of the situation. Both beings recognize that a fight is a situation of danger - and the one who is not in control of his animalistic instinctive reactions to stressful altercations is in danger. One who is in control of themselves and can operate as a unit on all levels of their being - regardless of the circumstances will be in control and be recognized as such. This is scary.

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Next you get into the differnet purposes of intent as you become aware of what real intent actually is. Intent is the consciencousness of what you are and what you do - True intent is an ocean of Potential Energy. You can focus your intent but many times - since we are physical, we tend to let the intent of action flow right into preparation of movement (telegraphing) - instead of letting our intent build but carry no form.

This becomes readable - and can be used against us.

additionally we can also use our intent to project false information - to evoke certain movements and reactions out of our uke/opponent.


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Intent:

When you begin to understand Intent, it is much like water that leaves a faucet, when you first turn on the faucet to receive the 2nd most important invisible molecules Hydrogen and Oxygen, in a liquid form, many times there is nothing coming out the faucet. Intent is like a muscle it takes time to grow, for example some people cannot even do 1 full pull up, however in time you might be able to increase that tenfold and hundredfold, and so on. What is takes is time, energy, discipline, practice, and I would say most importantly other people, for without others we will never achieve our highest level of being, as in sharing much Magic happens, much Growing Occurs, as the Law is As You Give, So Shall You Receive-Jesus tha Christos (Enlightened One).

Back to Intent…Intent is punching (see punching section for correct technique before application of Intent) then thinking through what you are punching. Like if the surface of my target is 10 inches from my body to strike, I think through another 5 inches, when I deliver, even if I cannot. My intent is to strike not only with my body but also with my mind. Please re-read the first paragraph here again.

When you strike with your mind, it grows in time. As it grows, your body and spirit must grow at somewhat equal incremental times otherwise, if they fall out of harmony, then you will hurt yourself or another person, if you hurt yourself you are only responsible to you, if you hurt another, you have two responsibilities. It is not cool to hurt people, unless you they need hurting, due to their intention to hurt you. It is almost like you complete the circle, but you don’t start it, but being a Child of the Universe you have a right to live in Free Will and Live Your Life the Way you want, unharmed, so we share this today.

Intent becomes such a force that you will find in the higher levels of training that if you think something you mind and spirit energy can go to it ahead of time, it can become so powerful that if someone else thinks about hitting you, you will feel it before they do, and be able to counterattack their thought before their body moves. This freaks most people out, and you will probably freak out quite a bit when you first develop this ability In Time.

Another level to this ability then is to use it as strategy, much like a flinch can cause, if you can tell your opponent can read the energy of intention or can feel it. You can then throw out 5 intentions simultaneously, then deliver with your secret or hidden intention, where you will find the one entry point needed to take down your opponent. Please note:

This is advanced levels, so don’t go thinking in a couple years you will understand all of this. They are a number of factors that must be present for this kind of energy work and training level to be in place, most important is your Professor (Sensai) and the people you work with. If someone is not on the right energy level, you don’t even want to get into this kind of stuff. My Intention here…

Is to show you where you can go, my interpretations of what I have learned, and to inspire you to take your training to the highest levels of Be-Ing and as My Professor would say, “Make You the Best You, You Can BE”  that is OUR Intention Here.

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Also a haiku i wrote on Intent:

Intent;

Its like a funnel,
Pouring energy down, through
to experience.

Formlessness to form
through ones mindfull willingness.
Intent creates all.

Giving thanks allows,
for one to keep on flowing -
a natural state.

Looking deep within,
for only movement exists.
Still - is illusion.

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I once heard an excellent line: "Nobody likes to be should upon."

I've found it very helpful to refrain from thinking in terms of what I should or should not do.  Even better is not thinking in terms of what I am doing, but what I am being.

Intent is a funny thing because you can get very specific with it and create very specific results.  The problem is often we create results that, in retrospect, we didn't really want.

Lately I've been using the KISS method of intent.  It goes something like this:

My intention is:

1.  To know myself.
2.  To love myself.
3.  To be myself.

If I manifest that seems like everything else will fall into place.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.
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Ya, its a hard thing in that intent can be anything - but in the end the actual application of intent is the same. Its just very hard to describe how one uses intent without a specific application used as an example.

Your statements "to know/love/be yourself" while great and noble - are very broad and vague. My post was intent as it pertains to martial arts.. its actually just a first attempt at describing it and nowhere near a version that I would call complete.

I guess one could say that intent is the ability to apply the use of Self with definitive purpose to affect a particular outcome. (now we just need to understand what Self is and how we actually "apply its use" smile )

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Lately I've been using the KISS method of intent.  It goes something like this:

My intention is:

1.  To know myself.
2.  To love myself.
3.  To be myself.

If I manifest that seems like everything else will fall into place.

tenetnosce, at first I thought your threefold stated intention was essentially to serve yourself - no offense.  But, then I got thinking, maybe it has to start there, the self has to be broken then rebuilt, with positive force, not of your own ego - loved.  Then it can flow outward.

Maybe almost like flow of intention is the key.... "inward -> out".  Not "outward -> in".  Maybe that's a significant part of it... hmm. 

since we are physical, we tend to let the intent of action flow right into preparation of movement (telegraphing) - instead of letting our intent build but carry no form.

This becomes readable - and can be used against us.

phlux I can relate to this.... it's almost like the ego gets in the way of allowing things to build to fruition.  great ideas on this board.

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visavis wrote:

I really want to understand and be involved in a discussion of tangible ways we can live on a higher / purposeful / actually positive / STO level.

My kind of post.

Okay, I'll give this a try...

Tangible ways we can live on a positive STO level:

When I hear/think the term STO, the first connection that arises in my mind is: giving. 

GIVING

In this society and age, giving seems to be bound up with money and materials.  We can serve others by giving financial and material support, but this kind of giving isn't the only kind.  If you do choose to give materially or financially, though, a helpful question could be: What level of the person am I serving by giving?  Am I serving their ego?  Or, am I enabling the manifestation of their heart's desires?  Answering that requires discernment, but I think generally, if you're giving money to an individual (and not an organization, and if that individual really needs it) it's because they need help surviving or manifesting a dream.  Also, of course, if you're giving to be noticed for your giving then you've just left the (STO) building. 

But, again, giving money isn't the only kind of giving.

Other kinds of giving:

*Listening
("Give" others the floor, give by allowing them to process their issues out loud).

*Give by giving compliments
(Don't stroke egos, but if you notice positivity in someone else, verbalizing your recognition of it--through a compliment or through gratitude--could help them further their journey towards positivity.  Awareness, by itself, has organizing, healing effects.  If a person, through your observation, shifts their attention to what is positive in them, the negative in them is already partially disempowered).

*Expressing affection
(Be Service-To-Others by openly showing your love.  The MCS has conditioned us--especially in America--to be embarrassed by public displays of warmth.  Forget the "rules."  Express the warmth you feel whether it is for a member of the same sex or not, if others or, say, your boss are present or not.  I feel that this is an STO practice because...Well, I won't intellectualize about it.  Love feels good.  If you're helping others to feel good, that's STO in my book).

*Be Honest
(Honesty is STO because it facilitates an alignment with reality in others; by deceiving others you--in some part, I think--become the Matrix, you spread illusion.  Of course, [1] people can learn by being lied to, once undeceived, and [2] honesty sometimes hurts more than helps.  Globally however, lies are a blockage of energy; honesty is flow.  Be being as honest as possible, you encourage flow [health] in others).

*Sharing Intuitions
(There is a difficult obstacle course to be negotiated, of course, in telling a person what you intuit about them.  And the obstacle course only comes after the issue of uncertainty with and the accuracy of your intuition.  But I can personally attest to--and I bet many of you can--how my life has been changed, taking a turn for the positive, after a person dared to share an intuition they had about me.  It is a form of giving because it can help that person re-align with their real/true/highest self.  It can dis-illusion them.  It can say Hello to their spirit).

*Sharing Information
(If the MCS, and the STS mode, is held together by the control of information, then its hold will be broken by the flow of information.  Sharing information isn't cramming "the Truth" down a person's throats.  I think, on the level of STO, it takes the form of an extended invitation.  "Hey, what about this...?")

NEUTRALITY

Practicing non-judgment, or neutrality, is also I think an STO practice.  Have you ever felt good after spending time with a group of people you felt weren't judging you? 

Neutrality fosters a healing space.  It is an awesome giving to others.  Being in the energy of true non-judgment is for your spirit what rest is like for your body--it creates an environment in which the spirit can begin to "fight germs," no longer having to actively contend with judgment.

HUMILITY

I think practicing humility is STO, too.  It may seem obvious, but I put it in here because I think humility ends competition .  STS thrives on competition.  If you stop competing with others, you allow them to feel safe, feel free to truly express themselves without fear of looking weak (non-competitive), and it increases their chances of...having a simple sense of being okay.  STS is predicated on a feeling of not being okay, of needing something else to be complete or better. 

EMPATHY

Practicing empathy, or an awareness of what others are feeling, is almost an automatic step away from STS.  If every general/sergeant/solider in a war could literally feel the pain, the horror they were causing, how many wars would there be?       

Remember the scene in the movie "Powder" when Powder helps the deerhunter to feel what the dying deer is feeling?

I'm not condemning hunting or meat-eating (I eat meat) here, but the image in the movie says a lot. 

Practicing empathy you serve others through understanding them.  Being understood, being seen, having someone "get you" is a deep drive, I think, for all beings. 

Think of the joy you have when you're with the people who "get you" in this life.  Empathy is a practice that allows you to spread that joy to others--to give it back.

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tenetnosce, at first I thought your threefold stated intention was essentially to serve yourself - no offense.  But, then I got thinking, maybe it has to start there, the self has to be broken then rebuilt, with positive force, not of your own ego - loved.  Then it can flow outward.

That's more what I meant.  It is kind of like seeing myself in the third person.

Knowing myself means being aware of what I have to contribute to any given situation.

Loving myself means having compassion for myself so that it can flow out to others. 

Being myself means understanding how I can compassionately contribute myself to others.

Yes, the ego is still involved, but just as another tool of expression.  The difference is that I am not trying to control circumstances with my intent for things to be a certain way, but simply to determine how I would like to experience myself in light of, or in spite of, circumstance.

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tenetnosce, thank you for that further explanation.  making a bit more sense.  dreamosis, that post is very cool.  this thread is definitely going onto my hard drive.  i think honestly i've had the habit of putting too much pressure on myself.  simplifying is good.  smile

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Fabulous thread, good thoughts, all. 

I was just reading Montalk's article on the NR front page about intending and requesting and I am wondering about this part:

montalk wrote:

The only real difference between intending and requesting is whom you address and how specific or general your intent. By intending, you acknowledge yourself as the source of power influencing reality. By requesting, you humbly address forces wiser and more powerful than yourself.

When I read that, I was reminded of this C's channeling, which made a huge impression on me:

Q: (L) Carlos Castaneda talks about the "Eagle's emanations," the Eagle being, I suppose, Prime Creator that emanates down through all the densities, and that the Nagual who can "see," sees the Eagle as a large black and white object. Are they seeing the source, or are they seeing something on just another density?
A: Source? There is no such thing.
Q: (L) You mean there is no Prime Creator, no origin or source of our existence?
A: You are Prime Creator.
Q: (L) But that is so esoteric... I am talking about...
A: The point is: stop filling your consciousness with monotheistic philosophies planted long ago to imprison your being. Can't you see it by now, after all you have learned, that there is no source, there is no leader, there is no basis, there is no overseer, etc... You literally possess, within your consciousness profile, all the power that exists within all of creation!?! You absolutely have all that exists, ever has, or ever will, contained within your mind. All you have to do is learn how to use it, and at that moment, you will literally, literally, be all that is, was, and ever will be!!!!!!!!

In this light, it seems to me that tenetnosce's simple approach would be the key...

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I like tenetnosce's approach as well. Loving, knowing, and being yourself is vital. Since I will never in this lifetime be fully finished with self-work, rather than waiting to be finished before turning my attention to others, I aim for a dual approach by including thoughts, understandings, and love for others as well as for myself...piecemeal in a balanced series of steps. Reminds me of the wounded-healer or teacher-student archetype.

Jen wrote:

I was just reading Montalk's article on the NR front page about intending and requesting and I am wondering about this part...

I guess you were wondering why I mentioned the importance of requesting from higher wiser forces when the C's emphasized that we already contain all the power within ourselves. The simple answer is that we have not yet completely learned how to tap into that power, so when we need more power than we can tap into and wisely channel, then asking for assistance from wiser forces is okay. If the request is answered, it tends to be in a clever way that empowers you in the long run.

In other places, the C's mentioned seeking help from fourth density STO entities as they were the only ones who can protect us from negative fourth density attention. I think our intent and awareness combined with assistance from the Higher Self also works to protect, but yeah 4D STO are cut out for that job. According to the Ra Material, they have overwhelming compassion for us in 3D but often lack the wisdom to refrain from battle, and so if they are given an earnest call for help, they will help to the extent they are able and allowed.

The ultimate goal is to completely own your power. That's something to strive for. Some assistance and guidance and wisely-given protection along the way may do more to nurture your growth than stifle it.

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Thanks, Montalk, that makes a lot of sense.  I haven't done much formal requesting myself so this is a new area for me, even though I've studied reality creation for some time now.  I guess I've come to feel that everything in my experience is generated from me and so working with myself is the answer.  That does fit with your discussion of intent, but I see your point that we may sometimes feel so overwhelmed that asking for assistance from higher forces is appropriate.  Can you share with us
an example of how to word a request to these STO 4D beings?

I have a friend who has reported continuing interdimensional harassment from the negs, I'd like to be able to offer her some practical advice.  Thanks again...