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Nice to meet you Jen and Montalk:-)  I am going to do some checking into Ra.  And Jen, I appreciate your humor!!

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Seeker of Truth wrote:

I am only going to do a brief post in response to yours!  My heart is "SINGING"!!  Yes, I am at the right place and the right time!  I thank you once again for your info.....I will read more from all the others here!  I am a very happy camper:-)  Thrilled I am to be here and thank you for the welcome:-) And yes.....I can ramble too...but, am always anxious as you are about getting to the point.  And sometimes words are so inadequate!  Though...necessary in this dimension!  Can you see me SMILING?

Smiling right back at ya, Seeker of Truth.  Your enthusiasm is infectious.  smile

Jen wrote:

Like Montalk, I was surprised to read that Ra channeling from Wilcock, although there was a note about this in the Law of One Study Guide.  Well, I like Wilcock, and I like Ra, and this certainly seems the time for great earth changes, so I'll pack a bag, just in case!

Hey Jen.  I really like Wilcock also, which is one reason I was so surprised.  May I ask what the note about it in the study guide said?   

I think Gary Bonnell's take on the situation is accurate and given a choice, I would rather ascend than be "rescued".   The other thing is, I'm not sure I would ever be trusting enough of something from outside myself to go along with the whole "being lifted" scenario.

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Mystical Girl wrote:
Jen wrote:

Like Montalk, I was surprised to read that Ra channeling from Wilcock, although there was a note about this in the Law of One Study Guide.  Well, I like Wilcock, and I like Ra, and this certainly seems the time for great earth changes, so I'll pack a bag, just in case!

Hey Jen.  I really like Wilcock also, which is one reason I was so surprised.  May I ask what the note about it in the study guide said?

Well, you know, I guess I should not have been surprised, because it was just a very brief note, an addendum to the material,  referring to the Ra excerpt you posted.  Thanks again for that.

I think Gary Bonnell's take on the situation is accurate and given a choice, I would rather ascend than be "rescued".   The other thing is, I'm not sure I would ever be trusting enough of something from outside myself to go along with the whole "being lifted" scenario.

Know what you mean.  But if we consider that dark and dangerous forces can only hook up with us if we are vibrating at their level, and we're confident that we're not, that takes some of the guesswork out of it. That said, I haven't packed my bag yet smile

Gary Bonnell made some pretty bold predictions about the Twelve Days of Light, didn't he?  And they fell flat?

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Jen - I was just wondering if the L/L folks acknowledged it as being accurate or not.   I'm sure you're right about the vibration thing.  I guess I just haven't really felt like that would be my path.  Although I think it's definitely probable for some people.  I think people will experience the scenario that they are most attuned to.

Jen wrote:

Gary Bonnell made some pretty bold predictions about the Twelve Days of Light, didn't he?  And they fell flat?

I believe he wrote in his book that the Akashic symbols could be interpreted as either 2001 or 2011, and it wasn't clear which was correct.  Timing is so difficult to predict - it is fluid and can be influenced by so many things, and predictions can be influenced by the interpreter's own desires.   

I also had the feeling that the Twelve Days of Light could be 12 solar days - in other words 12 years.  I really don't know.   Even if misinterpreted, there does seem to be something to it. 

I have met Gary and had a couple phone sessions with him, and I just really trust his integrity.  It's hard to explain why.  Still, anyone in a human body, no matter how evolved and enlightened they are can still make errors in interpretation.   I like to use intuition and muscle testing to confirm things for myself.   Then again, maybe the timing is different in various Parallel Universes.  Who knows.  Predictions can be very tricky.


Jen, were you the person who mentioned Barbara Marciniak's latest book - Path of Empowerment?   I am wondering if it is worth buying.  I got a lot out of Bringers of the Dawn, but her next two books seemed kind of off.  Would you or anyone else here recommend it?

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You are right, Mystical Girl, predictions are very chancy, because reality is not set in stone--as you say, it is fluid, always changing, and there are multiple/probable realities.

I did recommend Path of Empowerment already, seems I am the only one here who has read it.  One thing I like about it is that the P's do not make
hard and fast predictions about what 2012 will bring, although they are definite about the potentials.  It's really up to us to bring into being the kind of world we want to live in.  That's why it's titled Path of Empowerment--it's all about empowering ourselves for this.

You might check out the customer reviews at Amazon, they're glowing smile

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Thanks Jen!   I think I will order that book.  It's funny, for many months I kept waiting to order it from Amazon, but kept getting the page that said it hadn't been released.  Then I finally found another page there at the same time that said it was in stock and had reviews going back for months.  Strange.

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Happy reading, Mystical Girl.  Maybe you are now able to access that page at Amazon because it is now time for you to read the book.  When the reader is ready, the Amazon page will appear wink

Perhaps later, if you like, we could start a thread of discussion about the ideas in that book.

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Jen wrote:

When the reader is ready, the Amazon page will appear wink

LOL!!!  That's too funny.

Jen wrote:

Perhaps later, if you like, we could start a thread of discussion about the ideas in that book.

That would be great!  Thanks.  smile

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Mystical Girl wrote:

Wilcock Reading 12/05/02

- Internet publication 12/19/02


This inspirational uplifting experience does then take the form of an invitation, and it is important that the decision then be made rather quickly as time is short. This is the time where you cannot take anything with you, and you have to be willing to step forward and proceed. This time will be occurring in the now, and thus the now is all you have. It is the now when you are reading these words, and it will be that same now that you experience when we invite you to come with us. At that time you must not hesitate. You must be ready to go, or else you will stay behind for the resulting changes on the physical earth which may be of a more traumatic variety.

You must not fall into the trap of feeling that you are not good enough for something like this, or that it will never be truly be attained because you have wanted it so long that you have almost given up on the idea that it could ever be possible. It will happen. It will be real. It will be right now, and you will need to make a choice rather quickly. From:  http://www.garybonnell.com/forums/viewt … fd93df5d66

First of all I must admit my knowledge on this matter more than likely is not as deep as most of you.  Yet, After reading Mr. Wilcok insert on Mystical Girl post I felt compelled to express my feelings and concerns.  My thoughts about Ascension are simple in a way that it must be accomplished individually.  From what I read above it sounds like mass Ascension to me.  Weird!  The whole description as to how is going to come down  according to Mr. Wilcok is rather scary.  If you do not ascend you will be left behind with all the suffering that lays behind.  "You will need to make a choice rather quickly"................Gulp, it sounds like I am being pressured to do as told.  Please forgive me, but it sure sounds like cattle being herded to the slaughter house.  My analogy is not meant to insult anybody here but I have no other way to describe it............That is the way I felt as soon as I read Mr. Wilcock comments.  If I have to make a decision at this very moment I would have to say............I'd stay behind.  Just Can't Do It!

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whywhywhy wrote:

My thoughts about Ascension are simple in a way that it must be accomplished individually.  From what I read above it sounds like mass Ascension to me.

I don't think it is mass Ascension... I think those who choose a path like that would miss out on Ascending.   I also think Ascension is something one achieves individually, by raising your own consciousness... although as more people ascend, I'm sure it will make it easier for others to do the same.

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Mystical Girl wrote:

I don't think it is mass Ascension... I think those who choose a path like that would miss out on Ascending.   I also think Ascension is something one achieves individually, by raising your own consciousness... although as more people ascend, I'm sure it will make it easier for others to do the same.

I understand your point Mystical Girl.  I did go back and read the article on Mr. Wilcock and it still gave the jeevees.  I just don't seem to connect with what he is saying.  It just sounds pushy.  Can't describe it.

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I know what you mean, whywhywhy.  I tend to agree with what Lyra posted earlier - about being very wary of an invitation like that.  And by posting that excerpt, I didn't mean to imply that I was promoting that viewpoint.

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Mystical Girl wrote:

I know what you mean, whywhywhy.  I tend to agree with what Lyra posted earlier - about being very wary of an invitation like that.  And by posting that excerpt, I didn't mean to imply that I was promoting that viewpoint.

I understand.  I know we will get there at one time or another...........hopefully soone than later..........Good day Mystical Girl.  By the way, I really enjoyed the conversation.

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Jen wrote:
Monica wrote:

Thanks for posting this, Jen. I looked over the site a little too. My own take on this is that the concepts are mighty but the facts are off. The date i saw for this info was 1981, which to me is a bit old to have up-to-date density info given to those embodied.

To start with, what I mean by STS and STO being incorporated is not two sides in the outer world, but that both have been incorporated on the inner. STO can be as imbalanced toward the "light" as STS is toward the "dark" (for lack of better words). Personal inner integration of both aspects is the only way for complete ascension and, therefore, for integrating this in society. Societal integration doesn't come first.

I understand what you're saying, and I've struggled with these concepts myself.  In fact, I've coined a new term, STA (Service To All), incorporating both STO and STS.  This was inspired by the writings of Story Waters.

excerpt from:
www.limitlessness.com/seed/index.cfm

Know that even those that appear to be purely of service to themselves are being of service to the All. The distinction of service to Self and service to others is an illusion. All service is service to the All. All action is an action for the All. All love is love for the All. All hate is hate for the All. All all is for the All.

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I could be wrong but this info sounds a bit too much like Operation Terra regarding what's happening in 4D. Perhaps in 1981, because hearing about anything much beyond 3D was a big mind expanding concept, this was called "4D" but was actually something higher. But this doesn't sound like the 4D I've experienced, which is mostly where the STS agenda is carried out before it is electrically impulsed into 3D looking either "light" or "dark". Or, hmm, perhaps it is 4D because of the view that positive and negative exist separately. Not that 4D doesn't have a balanced expression somewhere, just like 3D does. This just doesn't feel like it to me.

My understanding is that the lower levels of 4D are the Astral plane, where the feeders on fear reside, but that higher up in the levels, it's a plane of compassion.

The essence of the Ra teaching is the Law of One, which transcends polarity.  Polarity is just one way of playing the game of learning and growth. From Section Two of the Law of One Study Guide:

THERE IS NO REAL (OR ETERNAL) POLARITY

RA:  In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex with which you amuse yourself. This belief in polarity is chosen instead of understanding the complete unity of thought that binds all things together.

You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every situation.

You are unity. You are infinity.

You are love/light, light/love.

You are.

This is the Law of One. (B1, 67)

The Law of One, although beyond all words, may be approximated by saying that all things are one, there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only one identity. All is one; and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator. (B1, 85)

Jen,  What was you opinion of The Messiah Seed?

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Seeker of Truth wrote:

Jen,  What was you opinion of The Messiah Seed?

I haven't read the book, just looked through it, and read some excerpts online.  But from what I have seen, it's high-level stuff.