1 (edited by BlackBox 2004-05-29 12:10:05)

Topic: Amongst the Wolves

From forum to mailing-lists, I'm sure everyone notices that the sum total of members or registered posters are usually divided proportionally:

1.) Active Posters
2.) Passive Posters
3.) Observers
4.) Curious Bystanders
5.) ?
6.) ?
7.) ?

How many of the people registerred are honourably here?

How many of them are of the first 4 types?

How many of them are from the Government?

How many of them are here to keep-an-eye out for the topics discussed?

If some of us believe the theories we discuss (a large chunk related to Channeled material) then these topics are at the outer-edges of the most sensitive things I can possibly think of. Especially if you consider that many of us understand the major smoke (distraction) tactics, and hence discern away from the mumbo-jumbo conspiracy topics that keep the suspicious-masse in thought-loops.

How many people are reading my post that actually have an interest? (rhetorical)

How many are here for reasons that are 'unknown' to the first 4 types?

I wanted to post this a while ago, but I didn't really see the sense of it at the time. But I wanted to post it today because I'm wondering if these thoughts hit the rest of you. If they go through your minds when you go to forums and message boards and mailing-lists and wonder how many wolves are amongst us.

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There's no doubt that some of the topics we discuss on this board are sensitive enough to raise the interest of those who monitor and seek to disrupt. But what else is new?

All levels of the Matrix hierarchy are involved in monitoring others to protect their own interests, and each responds in accordance with the nature of the threat. The judicial system responds to legal threats with legal action, the matrix responds to hyperdimensional threats with hyperdimensional action. Simple as that.

If we discuss something that threatens the local stability of the matrix control system, then there is a local application of matrix control tactics to derail the discussion. By this, I'm talking about the whole gammut of spiritual tests, from abduction and mind programming to psychic attack and triggering of programs by agent provocateurs, to slick disinformation agents and those who exist solely to create clutter and clog up the flow.

But I think it's far easier to deal with matrix stuff than legal trouble, which is why I avoid discussing anything legally incriminating and instead focus on that which is beyond the jurisdiction of US law, namely things to do with aliens, hyperdimensional control, spirituality, and conspiracy. Sure, that may piss off the reptilians, but winning a spiritual battle is less troublesome than winning a legal battle.

I've found that paranoia evoked by evidence of monitoring can do more damage than the monitoring itself. I've had phone conversations during which there were obvious signs of monitoring, like annoying beeping and clicking, volume changes, etc... designed to do what? To intimidate. Why? Because that's about as much as they can do to begin with. When I blew them off and continued talking as I would otherwise, the attempts at intimidation stopped permanently.

So the same goes with this forum. I don't care if there are wolves here, as long as they only watch from the sidelines. The moment they begin biting, they expose themselves and that makes my job easy.

Taking things on an action-by-action or post-by-post basis if FAR more effective than jumping to conclusions and trying to sleuth the honorable members from the shady ones. Actions speak for themselves, and in time actions accumulate to make the case clear without the necessity of "sleuthing" which often equates to seeing things that aren' there due to hyperdimensional manipulation of circumstance coupled with programmed paranoid thoughtloops.

As the C's said, paranoia will destroy ya.  Better to keep a sense of humor and have an easy-going but aware attitude while focusing on progress and discussion, taking care of problem only as they arise.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

3 (edited by aaronfirebrand 2004-05-29 14:04:45)

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The realization that most forums are probably monitored and that many have been infiltrated by "agent provocateurs" (from the 'protocols'), who only serve to disrupt the interface, is something I tend to push out of my consciousness. I'm pretty naive when it comes to trusting people to be who/what/how they claim to be. But in the past week I've become aware of elements everywhere I look, which seem to pop out of the woodwork (awakened?) to cause trouble or create confusion. I'm not certain what is going on, if anything, but I have recently sensed a sort of shift in this world, physically and metaphysically. For the record, I am as active in posting as possible, however many topics are unfamiliar to me and I gravitate to the posts that resonate with my experiences. I know of some boards and sites that have been shutdown by mega-posting by subversive elements. I came here to learn and share what I can with people of the "higher plateau". Thanks for posting this, BB. As long as this speculation doesn't lead to loyalty oaths!             Man! I was taking my time writing this while Tom was posting. I never would have used the term "agent provocateurs" in a follow-up! I like your "wait and see" approach, Tom.

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Ya, ditto on Tom's "wait and see" and "actions reveal" tactics.

Every forum leads to that climax of which you speak aaron. It's best to enjoy the freedom we have right now because nothing lasts.

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BB, funny you should post this as I was sitting out on the patio this morning wondering pretty much the same thing.  One of my major concerns is the possible infiltration by OMAGS (obnoxious military and government spooks).  Many of us on the forum hase been already earmarked for one reason or another (implanted, abducted, other).

What can we do?  Is it all a part in the STS/STO plan?  We can probably come up with many speculations regarding this matter.

Is there some of poll that can be initiated (with the forum members) that may assist with such? 

There do exist  researchers that explore and uncover disinformation types, unfortunately some have died under suspicious circumstances-or are currently being hassassed.  I understand Carla Turner was possibly one who was "eliminated". 

Has anyone noticed more synchronicities?  Patterns that occur amongst all of us.  Makes me wonder.

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

6 (edited by lyra 2004-05-29 14:20:02)

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What about you, Black Box?   Are you willing to turn the questioning mirror to yourself?   Or is this deflection?   Hmm, now there's a thought.



BlackBox wrote:

How many of them are of the first 4 types?

How many of them are from the Government?

How many of them are here to keep-an-eye out for the topics discussed?


Who cares?   

If you're trying to instill paranoia into this forum, I would hope that everybody is wise enough to see through that and post as they normally would. 

Before signing off, I'd like to give a shout out to all the agents and spies who are reading this.   HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   HOW YA DOIN?!?!  HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR TIME HERE!!!!!!!!!!    I'M LYRA!!!!!!!!!!!  (but they already know that, AND my real name, now don't they? wink )   NICE TO MEET YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, maybe they'll learn something.   You never know.   We can only hope.   wink

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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manyeagles wrote:

BB, funny you should post this as I was sitting out on the patio this morning wondering pretty much the same thing.

I think all of these sychronicities in our thoughts are beneficial to just bring up. I can't speak for others, but I'm having some really monumental/life-changing transitions in my life right now. Sometimes when I start up a topic, it may just spring other thoughts in by others that really come back to make me think even deeper. Tom's reply to this thread alone makes it beneficial to be on the board. I'm clearer on my thoughts after it.

manyeagles wrote:

Has anyone noticed more synchronicities?  Patterns that occur amongst all of us.  Makes me wonder.

Me too. I think that is important to continue to explore the little things that make us stop to think, consider, reflect, and wonder who else is thinking similar thoughts. It may lead us to things that aren't predictable. It may lead us to sharing, networking, and making conclusions that lead us to more advanced thoughts.

Clarity may occur at the end of the whole charade of back-and-forth discussion and banter.

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Forgot to add this:

Instead of wasting energy being wrapped up in paranoia -- other than employing the "wait and see" and "deal with problems as they arise" approach, time is better spent following your destiny and seeking out those you resonate with and intuitively trust.

In other words, it's easier and more effective to pursue clearly trustworthy individuals than to root out potentially untrustworthy ones. As for ambiguous cases, let their actions and words inevitably determine the nature of their intent.

This concept reminds me of the following from the C transcripts:

Why are we so afraid of hurting someone's
feelings if they are hurting us?
A: Not correct concept. You do not need to "act against
them," you need to act in favor of your destiny.
Q: But, when you do that, these persons make you so
completely miserable that there seems to be no other choice
but a parting of the ways.
A: Yes, but that is not "acting against." Quite the contrary. In
fact, remember, it takes two to tango, and if you are both
tangoing when the dance hall bursts into flames, you both get
burned!!!

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

9 (edited by Christine B. 2004-05-29 20:11:11)

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Dear All,

I hope you don't mind Tom, but I've taken the liberty of cutting and pasting the purpose, requirements etc. of NobleRealms as it was started on the prior board:

"noblerealms  · Noble Realms

Purpose: to expand, explore, refine, and share knowledge

Requirements: sincerity, integrity, and curiosity

Potential topics: metaphysics, spiritual evolution, wisdom, current trends and events, hyperdimensional reality, quality channelled material, abduction phenomenon, conspiracies, alternative science, and more...

Atmosphere: relaxed, informal, and fun - but also coherent, informative, and free of fluff."

Therefore, to me, BB's post and inquiry has merit as he is exploring with what appears to be an interest in expanding his awareness.

I completely agree with Tom, that to focus on the possibility and probability of those with untoward intentions is a waste of personal energy/power.  Moreover it can quickly degrade into a "witch hunt."

Unless it becomes apparent that someone is stirring up the board to the point of fragmentation,  I find their presence to be yet another way to "stalk" myself and in fact a welcome addition to this board.

The difficulty, as I see it, in a forum such as this is the only thing we have to go on is the words, rather than any real actions - as we are not privy to the private lives of each other.  Words, can be cleverly used to disguise real intentions.

So, where does that leave us regarding "wolves."  As Lyra said...who cares?  To which I'll add, I don't care a hoot so long as any wolves are not permitted, by their words, to fragment, intimidate or destroy what is a growing community and learning experience.  Each of us shares this responsibility I feel by simply being unwilling to "tango" with dissention.

One thing that I've found helpful is to work hard at "stalking" my motives.  Why am I responding?
Or why am I posting?  IF I find digging deep, that my motive is to prove another wrong, or to prove how enlightened I am, or to prove or defend anything about myself...then I have more work to do BEFORE I post. 

Not an easy job, to say the least, but only in learning more about myself, can I really learn.  A technique taught by Don Juan and recently mentioned by another member on this board, is "not-doing".  A technique whicch is, as I understand, to not do what you normally would do.  This builds personal power, which leads to increased awareness.

Warm regards,
Christine B.

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Thank you all for the insightful posts.  I learned, or was reminded of some very important key points:  Stalking motives-(self introspection), not doing (Don Juan), being in favor of our destiny, and HUMOR!

By standing back and not doing we can allow the lesson to come through more smoothly. It takes a little time to un-insert both feet from the mouth.

Being in favor of our destiny is a reminder to get back on track and not waste time in diversionary stuff. Learning how to discern, objectively (without our egos tripping us up), is an ongoing learning process and can assist us with the destiny part.

And a favorite of mine, HUMOR!  Seems to deflect heavy oppressiveness and enhance positive beingness-which in turn helps us to SEE more clearly.

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

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Maybe if I don't respond I'll incriminate myself.  On the other hand.......heh.  No doubt operatives are everywhere, but who cares?!  I'm going to be myself and do what I have to do regardless.  We all are, right?  Tom's intelligent and vigilant, and I have confidence that he'll note any nefarious activity. 

I often wonder about people who join forums then never post.  Guess they often find they don't really feel at home after all.  opetero "brought" me here and was very interested in the internet/AI thread, but he's not been around here since then.  That's because I'm the one who was "supposed" to come here as I realized within a short time. So, yer stuck with me now.  Maybe 5) is "sent as part of soul journey", maybe 6) is "sent in response to a soul request", and let's keep disinfo agents last at 7).

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Another thing which I forgot to add was that someone may rub one person the wrong way and strike them as being "an agent", or "a wolf", or whatever else, fill in the blank, but yet, others won't have a problem with that person.   Others may in fact LOVE that person.  Sure, many of us here would like to think we have great intuition, but the fact is, we've found ourselves not getting along with someone who other people have no problem with.  So who's intuition was right?  Ours or everbody else's?    So, it boils down to perception.   

I'm not sure what BB's motives are in starting this thread, if it's to instill paranoia, start a wiitch hunt.........divide and conquer............I don't know.   But in the end, our perceptions of someone are just that.........perceptions.   And they may not be accurate, and the're certainly not the entire picture, because we're only dealing with words on a screen.   If someone proves to be a huge troublemaker, then eventually they'll get kicked off, just like they would on any other messageboard, and life goes on.   No use in worrying on who might be an spy infiltrating things.    Of course a messagboard such as this is going to have people coming onboard with an agenda, maybe even working on behalf of someone else with a plan to join up and infiltrate.   ALL messageboards dealing with material of an interesting and unusual nature will have this.    Know it, and expect it.   We weren't all born yesterday.   We're smart enough to realize that this goes on.   But don't let it stop you from posting as you normally would, otherwise, they win.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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One of my personal heroes, Sherman Skolnick, has been a crusader for court reform in Chicago since the late 50's. He also tackles larger issues (see his material at rense.com). He's been in a wheelchair for a long time (I'm unsure why), but regardless of his disability, he's been fighting for "truth and justice" (let Superman handle that other part) like a pit bull. One time, he was visited by FBI agents who told him to lay off a particular investigation. Sherman just looked at them and asked, "What are you gonna do? Break my legs?" Be like Sherman, just do what you have to do. Keep on truckin'.

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I like that story, aaronfirebrand!  What's the saying?  "I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees."

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Interesting topic as I have been wondering about the ramifications of posting on the board but decided...so what?

I am so happy to have a place to discuss these questions that it makes no difference who is lurking. I certainly can't discuss many of the topics posted here to anyone I know (other than a VERY select few), and I have felt rather lonely.  I remember SW saying ages ago that this road is lonely, that you start to head off in a different direction than the rest of the world. Most people won't/can't follow. Well - it was one thing to hear it - but it has been quite another thing to live it!
However, the exhiliration of learning new things, feeling my consciousness expand is so much more fulfilling than hanging out with the "matrix slaves" :-) Happy to be here!