Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk (Page 8 of 24)

More importantly...What feels right to you?

I had to smile when I got to the part about cats.  Wasn't expecting that.    What's interesting is that awhile back I came across information that said that cats were one of the leftover remnants of Atlantean genetic experiments.....involving the genetic splicing of the big cats (lions) with what of all things but......Grays.  At first it may seem absurd, but when you look at a cat's face, what do you see staring back at you?  Triangle shaped head, large almond shaped eyes, piercing gaze, telepathic abilities, ability to see other realms and paranormal stuff that the human eye can't detect...and yes, highly intelligent to boot.   All Gray traits.   Grays in themselves are supposed to be genetic creations involving reptilian genetics.   So if a cat is part Gray, then they're also part reptilian.   Looking again at cats we see that they have snake eyes, and they hiss.     Makes you wonder....

Yes.  This is something I've been paying attention to more than ever recently, I'm not sure why.   I don't have my own kids, but I've been paying close attention to the ones I encounter in public, and specifically noting how untainted they are.   I've never paid attention til now, and I'm finding it absolutely unbelievable.   I also watch their parents, and how they talk to them and treat them, and what I've been seeing is exactly what you described - how untainted children become worn down, boxed in and squelched.  It's EXTREMELY depressing.   I'm not seeing what would be considered "abuse", it's just parents "being themselves"......their cynical, tired, worn out selves, passing that along to their kids.   I talk nicer to my CAT and treat her with more respect than some of these people do to their own kids. 

No, it's what they're doing to people....entire families.   Take a moment to read through any of the abduction books where people cite their personal experiences.   People aren't against ET's "because they threaten our way of life," it's because they're acting in a way that's no better than what you described about people in your post.   

Just because something has achieved long distance space travel doesn't mean they're to be automatically revered, respected and accepted with open arms.   When their intent is to abduct, terrorize and torture people it doesn't matter if they flew in from 14 billion light years away.   Let their actions speak for them, not how far they've supposedly flown.   In my opinion you're using poetic language to color over the negative aspects of abductions.

On a sidenote, they may not be "Extra Terrestrials" flying in from other planets from outer space.  There is much evidence now at this stage to point towards the fact that they're *here.*   So rather than being extra-terrestrial, a more apt phrase to use could be "inter-dimensional."   

Well, speak for yourself, because I'm not killing anybody, starving anybody else, warring or spreading disease.   I'm living my life, trying to do the best that I can.............like many others............while writing messageboard posts and delving into some occasional article writing for the internet to help spread information and wake people up to what's going on in this world and reality.    Don't lump everybody in the same group.  Don't use "you" to collectively represent all of humanity and lump us into the same basket.  It's exaggerated and skewed.  There are certain people who are involved in what you described....................and many others who are not, and still others who are trying to combat it every day, in whatever way they can based on the resources at their disposal.

There is nothing worse than an across-the-board condemnation of Humanity, trying to make us all out to be the same when it's simply not the case.    This serves to (try) to deflate people and make them feel shitty about themselves and their fellow man.   There was a poster awhile back who had a related attitude to this, an attitude that can very well come out of the mindset you just illustrated.  This poster was angrily advocating in a post that humanity should all be destroyed............because of the actions of a few doing the things you mentioned.

Does this make logical sense?  No, it doesn't.  Get rid of the offenders, don't wipe out everybody, because many of the offenders doing the things you mentioned aren't even human, even though that's the outer shell they're wearing.    But so many people make the mistake of assuming that because they look human on the outside, oh, they must be, and worse yet......that they represent ALL of humanity, when they definitely don't.

Anyway, (as I climb back down from the soapbox.    )

Lyra,
with regards to the craft in question - is it possible that holograms, or that an advanced holographic science is being employed by the powers that be?
What the eye see,the mind tends to believe.
I have a suspicion that holographic/light-based/laser technologies are alot more advanced than what we suspect.

But it's notcollective.   It's not a representation of most people.   

If you were to remove the non-humans in disguise as humans, our world "leaders", and everybody who's demonically shadowed and/or possessed, and left the remainder to their own devises, I don't think you'd get a recreation of the world we've got going on right now.  So it's definitely not  the human collective, at least, imo.  It's "something else", ie, something negative / demonic,  that's been tacked on to some humans, with a few others that aren't even human thrown into the mix to confuse everybody. 

Like Don Juan de Matos tells Carlos Casteneda - humans have "two minds."   Our controllers, known to the Toltec shamans as inorganic beings, "gave us their mind!  Don't you understand....they gave us their mind!"  They tacked their fear-based mind and everything that comes with it onto the regular human minnd.  Interesting concept.

Really?   I'm curious to find out why you think this is?   What do equality, peace, balance, etc. have to do with being able to achieve space travel?   I gueess I disagree, because I don't think that every civilization that's achieved space travel capabilities did so under the circumstances of those conditions.   We can't know the nature of alien races - but it's safe to assume they're not all like humans, which means not all of them are going to be capable of those higher traits you mentioned.   I would think that  extreme intelligence, cunning, calculation, will and determination would suffice just as well.   They would have to work together, aka "cooperation", yes, but there doesn't have to be an underlying mood of understanding, peace, equality, balance, etc. going on.   Not if their goal is to conquer other planets!     

But  the real crux of the issue is whether all these supposed Reps, Grays, etc. and so on are even flying across the far reaches of space to get here.  Which they very well may not, as already noted.   Many believe they are inter-dimensional, and are already "here"....

That's interesting.   It could be.  I've had exposure to both cats and dogs, and over time I've slowly revised my stance that dogs are smarter.   I now think cats are.    NOTE:   Total off topic paragraph ahead involving the wonders of cats!     You can train a dog.....and dogs are loyal and protective of their owners, capable of attacking intruders, which makes them the pet of choice for most people and why people think they're so much smarter.  But just 'cause a cat "won't" be trained doesn't mean it's stupid.      People think that because cats are quiet and just sit there, staring, watching, that they must be "stupid", because they're not "doing anything."  Dogs jump around, slobbering on everything, barking, panting, so people attribute "intelligence" to them because they're so active and involved like that.   Jumping around doesn't make an animal smart though.    That cat who's just sitting there, watching with that piercing gaze sees everything.  Their mental wheels are turning, and chances are they've got a plot hatching in their little brain.  But the important key in all of this is that dogs have to be trained how to do clever things.  A cat just does them on their own.  And THAT'S what most people miss.  Both animals have their limitations of course, but over the years I've seen cats do stuff that cats are just not supposed to be able to do......stuff that even dogs can't do.   Cats opening doorknobs, pushing alarm clock buttons to get the alarm to go off so they can get fed, spatial reasoning abilities, hatching plots, trying to dexterously use their paw in the same manner as a human hand.....I've yet to witness dogs doing those things.   And with cats that are well loved and treated, (dogs too...) they are able to develop the emotional level of about a 3 - 4 year old human child.  My cat is like a 4 year old, complete with complex emotions.  It's incredible.   She's also actually very involved with us, unlike how a lot of cats are.  When it comes to a small dog, unless you train it to do something clever, it really has no point.  It won't do anything interesting or cool on its own accord, (and just sits there, scratching and smelling goofy...but I digress!) 

Alright, off topic tribute to cats over!  Back to aliens!

I can definitely imagine the effect it's had on you.   I think many here at NR are probably in the same boat.  Being abducted, and especially if you remember it and retain what you've learned during the experience, greatly hinders one's ability to just mesh like a good "average joe" into society.   How do you play along with the game when you know differently?   You kind of can't.   A person grows up feeling like they're on the outside looking in;  others are content with TV and sports and focusing on their career...we're pouring over books and websites about the "weird stuff" always seeking answers, while marching to the beat of our own drummer in life. 

Very true.......we were talking about this last night in fact, here on my end.  The whole notion of being eaten and poked and prodded, while we do the same to the animals that are "below" us.  It is what it is, indeed.

Unity is the only prerequisite for deep interstellar travel. Had the Nazis won WWII and dominated the globe, the sterilized remnants of mankind would be exploring other worlds and dimensions by now. I agree that the critical point of planetary destruction must be successfully passed through peace and unity -- but these emerge not just from complete equality/freedom/harmony, but also complete totalitarianism/programming/subjugation. Tyranny leads to peace when there are no resisters left to kill, no minds left to enslave, no lands left to conquer. It is the goal of any totalitarian force to create peace, unity, and order through conquest. If this is achieved globally, then the unified civilization may leave the planet to conquer other worlds.

Yes, there may be forces "up there" who are positive and have helped you out in life, assisting your spiritual growth in measured doses, but be careful not to credit the incorrect source. As I wrote in my research note, Wanderers (incarnates from higher realms) may come here with only a vague notion of their origin and a murky idea of who is responsible for reinforcing their spiritual integrity, and it's very easy for the deceptive groups to come in and falsely take credit.

Recently I listened to a radio interview with Lisette Larkins. She is the author of Talking to Extraterrestrials and advocates inviting the grays into your life for improved well-being. During a very hard and desperate time in her life, she sent out a general call for help and the grays answered and began abducting her. Thereafter her mood and life drastically improved. I think she sincerely believes what she says, and the reasons she gave on the show sound convincing. However, the grays are clever in exploiting blindspots in the human psyche and you gotta think to see the fallacy in their rationalizations.

Here are some of the reasons Lisette Larkins advocates being abducted by aliens:

   * Not all aliens are hostile; their behavior and intent is just as varied as those of humans and one cannot judge them all based on the actions of a few, which is akin to racial stereotyping.

   * Their abducting us and performing medical procedures is no different from how we take our pets to the vet. (They do to us what we do to animals, therefore our protesting is a form of hypocrisy).

   * In a divorce, the antagonistic spouses may call each other the personification of the devil. Even psychopaths, for every person calling them bastards there will be others calling them a good and likeable friend. Therefore there are no "good" or "bad" aliens as it's all subjective.

Seeing through these requires a sublime sense of discernment.

Not all of her reasons sound well reasoned to me, however I don't see the Grays as the demonic entities that many seem predisposed to believe, and I get a whiff of that from you too, Montalk.  Are you aware that the Pleiadians through Marciniak, and Ra through Wilcock, have said that our relationship with the Grays is one of mutual need?  (The Pleiadians did say that not all of them are benevolent, but that this was true of people everywhere.)

Lyssa Royal seems a better source of understanding the Zetas than Lisette Larkins.   Ever read her book "Visitors From Within"?  It was a revelation to me.

Not manifestations of our shadow per se, but they are helping us to face our deepest fears, which of course, is an important part of working with our shadow side, and of our evolution.

They say they are "visitors from within" us, and we are also visitors from within them.  They say they, too, are facing their deepest fears
through us.  It's a process of co-evolution.