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Definitely. One must also live in a way that knows 3D is one facet of MD. Those who do not know anything beyond 3D will continue incarnating in 3D even if they live this 3D life "in the moment." That is, until one's consciousness is out of 3D patterning and thinking and can embody a compatible non-3D form, one must also keep incarnating in 3D.

That's a general statement ... there are exceptions. This isn't meant to be a religious declaration (nobody can do such and such unless such and such :-) but a simple metaphysical explanation of how ascension / evolution works.

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Monica wrote:

Definitely. One must also live in a way that knows 3D is one facet of MD. Those who do not know anything beyond 3D will continue incarnating in 3D even if they live this 3D life "in the moment." That is, until one's consciousness is out of 3D patterning and thinking and can embody a compatible non-3D form, one must also keep incarnating in 3D.

That's a general statement ... there are exceptions. This isn't meant to be a religious declaration (nobody can do such and such unless such and such :-) but a simple metaphysical explanation of how ascension / evolution works.

Not sure what you mean here...are you talking about a knowledge of the other dimensions per se?  And what do you mean by "3D patterning and thinking"?

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Not just knowledge of other dimensions but ability to live in them in integrity. The process of ascension / evolution is raising consciousness and then accessing a form to house that higher consciousness, not the other way around (being housed in a higher D form first and raising your consciousness to fit after you're there). If you put someone with 3D thinking in a 5D body, for example, the 3D thinking would take precedence and cause troubles.

There's a certain way of going about life in 3D that doesn't apply to other Ds, and this is true throughout the Ds. Once your 3D consciousness attains 5D awareness, for example, unless you raise your consciousness to 6D (how things operate in 6D) you don't get to go physically to 6D because your consciousness isn't there yet. 9D beings can't access 13D if their consciousness isn't there yet. Etc.

The patterns of 3D life, even as a fractal, don't necessarily fit the higher Ds. For a simple example, 3D thinking is that to eat you need to go to the grocery store to purchase food or to grow food or to go to the food shelf or to a restaurant or whatever and that is part of 3D reality. In a higher reality you may not eat food or you might manifest it from thought, i.e., focus the conscious intent of a form of food and, voila, it's in front of you because you know how to manipulate molecules to change the essence of creation into a form that we know as food. If you house your 3D consciousness in a higher form, you are limited to looking at higher life from a 3D viewpoint (in this case, you'll still want to be going to the grocery store, etc.), and that would cause densification again because you are unable to utilize higher realities.

A not-so-simple example is duality as we know it doesn't exist in higher Ds. Can't bring duality thinking to the higher Ds or there are troubles too. And the example you mentioned, you have to know how to live "fulfilled, happy and free" and in the now in 3D or your 3D aspect is not being raised either.

There are those with 3D forms who can manifest, teleport, shapeshift, and do other manipulations of molecular structures. This is MD consciousness utilizing 3D form, not limited 3D consciousness. 3Ders who access their higher forms or powers do so because they have attained a certain level of non-3D consciousness. Some of this work of restructuring your consciousness is done when you're sleeping. I don't mean you have to have full conscious use of your next D when you pass over but that somewhere in fullness your 3D consciousness has attained that next consciousness and can access it to some degree when awake in 3D.

Our 3D aspects of our full consciousness are merging with our full consciousness. Unless and until a 3D consciousness "gets it", it won't have access to the higher realities.

Rather a linear explanation, which isn't quite accurate, but that's my understanding anyway. Did I just ramble, or does this make sense?

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No, you didn't ramble, Monica, you make a lot of sense.

In the book Blueprint For Change, which I am currently reading.  the Bashar entity says:

"Your idea--and we are speaking in general as well--of going from level to level, plane to plane: that idea, or process, is simply one of recognizing that you actually are the dimension itself that you previously thought you existed in.

So if you find yourself thinking that you exist in third density, think again.  You ARE third density, you ARE the physical universe; the physical universe IS you. When you know you are all you expereince the physical universe to be--then it will be heaven on earth, twelfth density on Earth."

And:

"You are not cut off from yourself in twelfth density; you are always able to  draw from all of the power, all of the existence, the totality of the spirit and soul that you are. Then no one level will seem to be overwhelming, because any one level will seem to be a small fraction of the total being, the total creator that you are. And when you function in that way, enjoying where you are when you are there--living in the moment, living totally in the present--that is paradoxically exactly the way you allow the future and all the levels to accelerate most quickly into your present experience. For you do not go anywhere; all happens within you. You bring those expereinces to you--and even that you are not literally doing.  Nothing in the universe truly literally actually moves or goes anywhere; it is all perspective and point of view--all of it."

Whew, didn't mean to quote so much, but this is great stuff, I think, and very relevant here.

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Good stuff indeed. When I access my full view, the planets and stars live in me, for example. I don't live on planet earth, she lives in me. My current form lives on planet earth and I use that form, but earth actually lives in full me.

And this is my point about rapture, too. When it's time to change forms some people will just pop over, so to speak, and it won't seem like anything really happened because you'll be aware of the change and reality within your MD consciousness. Most people currently living still have to leave the form they are in -- few if any current 3D forms are ascending -- so rapture is to new form, but you'll be done incarnating in 3D because you've attained this higher awareness. If you haven't, it won't be rapture and you'll be back.

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Moncia, how do you see the event of 12/21/2012 figuring into this?
Be interested in others' ideas too of course.

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Just another day. No discernible physical difference. Discernible to some will be the wave hitting and nothing will ever be the same, but it will take awhile for it to unfold. Communal focus on that day will direct the next step in the process. Love will forever rule this planet, but the people and the planet must be given time to get over the past. The people will have sovereign choice as to what will be. A collective zero point, stopping of breath.

Results will include that more people come and go from bodies in terms of walk-in and walk-out. Learning and discerning from 3d will be more negotiable depending on genetics so more entities can experience this shift and revelations therein. Some soul genetics are dying already as the wave gets closer. Lots of people will leave 3d in that particular timeframe. STS doesn't get this planet, but their style is so ingrained it will take time for this to work out. The photon belt's closest pass in 2017 or 2018 will also be a focus of genetic change, many leaving because they can't tolerate the increased vibes and their particular genetics are no longer viable here. Some passings will be raptures; some will be surprises; some will be unnoticeable.

Peace will be embedded in the collective conscious on that day. How will the people accept it?

OR

Gaia will have her revenge. The wave will burn off all that is not of 5D, and souls will be "passed" to their next choice, even if it's just like where they were on that day. Many options. 3D earth will be allowed to heal without anyone or anything involved except the most nurturing and healing of entities.

OR

???

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Yep, lots of question marks. Lots of probable scenarios.  wandering1 has posted an excerpt from The Moment Of Quantum Awakening by Ken Carey, here's my own choice of excerpts, a probable scenario that I like.  Note that it says there's no way to predict the effects or results:

At the moment of quantum awakening, change will occur rapidly, rippling across the terrestrial surface like a wave. Everything in the earth's gravitational field will be affected in some way. There will be a time of massive change, of change on a scale that has no historical precedent, though it does have antecedents in the prehistoric events of this and of distant worlds. The changes that your generation will experience before it passes the torch to another are more fundamental than those that accompanied the agriculture revolution-and those changes took thousands of years. They are more far-reaching than the changes of industrialization, which took nearly three centuries to transpire. Yet, deep and fundamental, massive though these present changes are, they will occur within the span of just a single life.

[...]

There will be a great shift then, a single moment of quantum awakening. In this moment, the smallest interval of time measured in these dimensions-this interval that occurs in every atom between each of its billions of oscillations per second-will be lengthened unto infinity. An interval of nontime will expand. Through that expansion eternity will flow. Some will experience this moments as minutes or hours, others as a lifetime. Still others will experience this flash of nontime as a succession of many lives, and some few will, in this moment, know the Nagual itself, the great nameless Presence that exists before and after all these worlds.

In the expanse of the nontime interval, human beings will have all the time they require to realize, experience, and remember full consciousness of their eternal spirits and to recall the origin of their individuality in the primordial fields of being. All will have ample time to recharge their form identity and its biological projection with the awareness of who they are, why they have individualized, and why they have chosen to associate with the planet's human expression. Each one will have the choice to return to biological form or to remain in the fields of disincarnate awareness.

Those who choose to return to human form will do so fully aware of who they are. No longer will they be put partially incarnate; they will resume biological residence with the full memory and consciousness of their eternal natures, sharing the creative capacities of the Star Maker, whose reflective cells they will then know themselves to be.

Subconscious orientation in fear will be replaced by conscious orientation in love. The sudden release of power, as the polarity of the collective human emotional field shifts from outer to inner orientation, cannot be avoided no no matter how smoothly we seek to guide the transition. All will feel an unmistakable surge of power in the instant of quantum awakening. This is as inevitable as the daily rotation of the earth's continents into and out of the light of the sun.

But the effects? The implications? There is no way to predict them. They depend on the choices you make today. By extrapolating current trends of consciousness we can establish a probable range of effect. But there may be as many as eight billion people incarnate at that moment, each with complete freedom of choice. And though the choices each one makes in his or her lifetime prior to that moment will certainly predispose that person in one direction or another, there are no guarantees, no assurances.

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That covers all the bases, doesn't it?