Jury duty, laws, and the notion of punishment (Page 1 of 2)

Me???? Anarchist????  Nooooooooo!       haha   (there I go again, getting myself on the red roundup list! )

You're right.  Montalk mentioned this as well, the vigilante groups and such.  As long as there are people who don't understand that it's not in our place to get involved in other people's affairs and to act as God (karma, the higher self, etc.) then there will be vigilante groups.  Those are the self righteous / power trippers thinking with the ego. 

Ah, see, there's an interesting point.   Where do prisons fall into all of this?

This is the part that would make most people turn three shades of red...the thought of allowing criminals of all shades of the criminality spectrum to roam free: Gambling, prostitution, shoplifters, tax evaders, white collar embezzlers, drug addicts / dealers, drunk drivers, identity thefters, con artists and swindlers, armed robbers, spouse batterers, involuntary manslaughter, murderers, rapists, child molesters, and so on.  All of them, roaming free, no matter what shade of gray they fall in.

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I don't know, it's a good point.  Who draws the line at what's a crime and what isn't?  I think most of us reading this would agree that we can pretty much scrap most of the laws for the "crimes" at the beginning of the list.   Gambling, taking drugs and getting paid for having sex?   It's your body and your money, that's nobody else's business, sorry.   Tax evasion?  Taxes are illegal to begin with. So your crime is sidestepping the government who is stealing from you in the first place.  You're avoiding a crime, not committing one.  !!   Stealing?  That's between you and the person / business you steal from, same as embezzling.  The items in the middle of my list  are "gray areas."  Identity theft, armed robbery, spouse batterers, drunk driving, when it results in accidents and other mayhem.    And the latter crimes in my list are certainly the worst of the worst, the most dangerous of people we don't want to have around us.  Anything involving psychopaths and sociopathy;  violence and brutal victimization of others, people want them removed from society. I certainly don't want serial killers, rapists and child molestors roaming around me.

But on the other hand, I can also see both sides - how it's everybody's individual responsiblity to look out for themselves and deal with criminals on their own, in their own way.  Somebody victimizes you, or your family?  You go and deal with them, the way that you see fit.  And it's nobody else's business but yours.  And if somebody in turn goes after you for that...so be it.  You have to deal with that too.   That's life....or the way that it should be.   It's not about being treated as a child who can't make decisions for yourself and instead has to have police, and courts, and laws getting in the middle of every little thing.

Oh, the anarchy!!   A strong topic, for sure.  No easy answers.  All I ask is for people to look past what we've been programmed to think and dig deep into that Pandora's box.............analyze what you believe and dissect it.   Is it based on ego?  On programming?  Is the system we have truly the best one we could have?  Or is it flawed?  If so, why, and what would make it better?  If not, why not?  And we must ask ourselves..................are we too afraid at the idea of having to go up against a criminal victimizer and defend ourselves / family?   And if we are scared of that, why? Have we been programmed to just have "the authorities" take care of things for us?

Most importantly though.....What about the idea of controlling reality to not have these things happen to us in the first place? There's an idea!   And it's a valid one too, I know this for a fact.  It's that mysterious third option I'm always talking about!    Is it really just a choice between being a powerless wimpy weak child forced to go crying to the authorities, or having to muck about duking it out against criminals every other day?   Just like they try to convince us our only option is to either throw away piles of money on car insurance, or go without and be committting a "crime" and "be at risk"....there's a third option involved there are well, to intend that the accidents / theft / damage don't happen to begin with.   Connect with your higher self, and rise above the 3rd density muck.  Learn that you are the one in control, not mysterious dark outside forces.  Ta da!   Imagine that!   But they don't want us to know that.

Just some food for thought...........

It could work on 3D earth if a hand-picked population of spiritually mature individuals lived in some isolated part of the world away from all the psychopaths and idiots. Maybe on a large island, or some high mountainous region in Tibet. Or else inside a huge fortified dome city with laser turrets to zap any invading mutants, haha. However, within a generation or two enough new psychopaths could be born within that could organize into gangs and thereby take over the rest.

I agree with Ayahuasca that something like this is best suited for fourth density existence. There, your vibrational frequency spectrum determines who shares your immediate reality and having a community of harmonious individuals is a consequence of who can easily perceive whom.

Such frequency sorting is still valid in 3D, I think, but not as tangibly so. I mean, if you keep your awareness and positivity consistently pretty high then you could walk through and live in the worst neighborhoods and never get hurt. That's where intent and knowing/living your true Self can act as a form of protection. Thus such sayings as "though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me." 

In a land of anarchy where mad gangs rome the plains like in Mad Max, I do think you could survive pretty well if you occupy the right spot on the radio-reality dial, but of course everyone else not as aware or spiritually disciplined would be eaten for dinner by the cannibals. And if everyone else did wisen up and reach that higher spiritual sanctuary, I think they would collectively pop into a higher density leaving the cannibals wondering where the food went.

If anything, this is some measure of reassurance for those facing potentially tough times ahead. If we do have to go through tyranny or social chaos and anarchy, that may be the fact on the large scale but individually I believe we have some flexibility in choosing whether to become its victim or whether to transcend it and breeze across the finish line into another realm/density.

But for now, being that we still live in a zoo, the cops and prisons (handlers and cages) do serve a purpose to an extent. You gotta keep the lions away from the gazelles and so on. If you're a tourist, your job is to stay out of the cages and help out those who mistakenly think they're part of the monkey exhibit.

Dang, so they don't have boats? How long they been on that island? LOL!!

In Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" a group of free-thinking, radical individualists finally give up on the corrupted American society and form their own private government in the mountains, away from all the conniving, thieving general population who has abandoned all reason and individual responsibility ... just as Montalk is suggesting, except that book was written fifty years ago.   

Lyra, you'd probably also really enjoy her essays "Man's Rights" and "The Nature of Government."  I'm not sure if they're online anywhere but they're in a paperback by her called "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal."  It's out there used for a buck or two, well worth picking up.

I did check out your friend's blog..........what a great piece!   I'm going to reprint it here, save people the time of clicking all around to get to it.  It's definitely worth a read.  Bolded words are my own emphasis. Enjoy......

I never said we shouldn't stop anybody.   

I think some people might be misunderstanding what my initial point was in this thread.  It was never about looking the other way, or allowing people to hurt children.   I never said that.   I proposed the idea of individuals being responsible for handling society's criminals, versus a police force.  If somebody victimizes you in some way, whatever way that may be.........it would be up to you as to whether or not you choose to do something about it.  (extend that to protecting your family.) 

And you can fill in the blanks and read between the lines on what I'm implying when I say "choose to do something about it."   For different people, that means different things. 

All of this instead of what we currently have - a police / laws / government system designed to ensure that grown adults are not allowed to take care of their own business.

Anyway, I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying manyeagles.  Hope that clears up the confusion and misinterpretation.