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Semantics...what a concept...

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Jen wrote:

Semantics...what a concept...

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Yes, indeed. 

:-)

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An image of a battery came to mind when pondering the idea of polarity. A battery has a positive and negative terminal - there is a difference in potential between these. Let's say for the sake of illustration that one terminal is at 4.5 volts, the other at -4.5 volts. This difference is what allows a current of electrons to flow through a circuit from one terminal to the other, like marbles rolling down an incline.

As the electrons flow toward equilibrium, the potential difference diminishes and eventually the battery is finished. At any time, however, the total number of electrons in the battery stays constant - for every one that leaves a terminal, another enters the other terminal. Also, the sum of the terminal voltages is always zero.

In other words, in the end there really is no polarity, there is just one battery with an unchanging number of electrons and the sum of potentials was and will always be zero.  The only thing that changed is how the electrons were arranged, and what energy was given off in the process.

So, my point is that in the grandest sense there is no polarity. However, in another sense a virtual polarity does exist and it is this potential difference that produces work, change, progress. Everything other than the single unified Infinite Creator is illusion, right? Then STS, STO is illusion...but so is time, evolution, individuality, freewill, and experience. Yet as long as one exists within the illusion, other illusory items of the same order are practically real.

Therefore, I think there must be both an inner understanding about the Law of One, and an outer understanding that in this illusion polarity plays a role in driving an illusory evolutionary process that ends up serving a very real purpose, which is infiite self-discovery for the Creator of the illusion.

It's like a game of chess...the pieces and rules are pure illusion to us, yet within the game they are real. If we can simultaneously keep in mind it's just a game, yet acknowledge the pieces must move according to certain rules, then we can play the game as it was intended.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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My point about STO being as polarized as STS is just that ... the polarity. STS is Service to All as well as narrow-minded service to self that cannot perceive of service to other. And so is STO Service to All and very narrow-minded service to other that doesn't realize it's a "doormat" or "prey" to service to self people. Confusion can arise when people don't see the inherent possibility of STO being as imbalanced as STS. My problem with these semantics has been that STO seems somehow to be thought of as "better" than STS. It's not.

You have to have the two polarities to "create" or "discover" or "unveil" or "play the game". Even in Oneness there is polarity.

Lyra wrote:

They're oriented the way they are, while I, and others, are oriented the way we are, and hence the frequencies clash.  But there is no "wrong" or "right" to either side.  Both just are.

Exactly. It's only in the lower frequencies that we are able to distinguish the difference so black & white, which was part of the plan to understand polarity. On the pendulum, the outermost reach of the STS swing is equivalent to the outermost STO swing. And the whole swing is STA. I like that full-bodied orientation.

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This is entirely a matter of semantics. If you compare STO to sheep because they lack malevolence, and compare STS to wolves due to their predatory natures, then naturally STA would be like the shepherd and appear to transcend both and be the wisest path.

However, the actual definition of STO is already what you consider to be STA, and what you define as STO is in fact the second half of the STS predator-prey dynamic. Those who are doormats have good intentions, but because they feed STS for lack of wisdom they are participating in the STS food chain and are thus STS themselves. Their faults are not reflective of STO so much as good intentions being abused in an STS world.

The reason we can be doormats in this realm is because first of all we are physical, and secondly we are by default STS, thus regardless of our good intent we are in full contact with predatory forces. This is an ocean of sharks, and bad things happen to good people. The true STO beings in their native state occupy less physical realms and are not forced to interact with predators unless by choice, so they can be compassionate and selfless without suffering the consequences we face in our realm due to limited time, energy, and frequency.

Ultimately, STO is being neither predator nor prey, and  is identically what you have come to term STA.  I've heard of another definition of STA which is serving-all by serving your own evolution. In other words, even by staying an invisible observer you can still serve all by increasing your own awareness and thereby helping others through an energy/consciousness spillover effect. According to the Ra Material, this is already the most basic duty of STO souls who have incarnated into 3D STS form to help things out a little. But it is not the only duty -- the others are to stand by and help out others when called upon, and also to fulfill the specific missions one has come into life to complete.

So STA is a good concept, although I think it is no different from the proper definition of STO.

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Appreciate those clarifications, Montalk.

I am currently reading the book Blueprint For Change, Bashar channeled by Darryl Anka, and he makes some comments which I think relate to this discussion:

Bashar:  There is no right and wrong.  It is simply a matter of whether you choose to create a positively manifesting reality or a negatively manifesting one.

Questioner:  Which would you suggest?

Bashar:  I would suggest the positive one. Because choosing the positively manifesting reality will be integrating yourself with Alll That Is, whereas knowing yourself as separate from All That Is creates an idea of isolation
that does not allow you to feel your connection to All That Is. This leads to the need to dominate.  For when you separate yourself from All That Is,
controlling and dominating others is perhaps the only way you will feel you
can collect what you see around you, to you.  Thus you create many ideas out of separation and negative manifestation that are, in your terms, unpleasant: war, disease and many other ideas you say you do not like.  This is why we would always suggest the positively manifesting reality.

However, recognize that we perceive the idea of judgment, in and of itself, to be of the negative manifestation. Thus we do not say anything is right or wrong,  because that to us is to judge All That Is. To us even the idea of judgment is the choosing of the negative. To know what you prefer does not mean that you have to judge or invalidate anyone else--in terms of the way that individual chooses to explore his own Godhood, to relate to himself as his portion of All That Is.  If he has chosen separation, negative reality, limitation, judgment--then it will be less likely he will perceive his connection to All That Is.

Seems to me to be a pretty clear delineation of the difference between STO and STS.  STS has chosen the path of separation from ATI, while STO has chosen the path of alignment.  And because of this separation, STS uses domination and control as a means of feeling their power and security.  From their standpoint, they're just doing what they have to do.

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"Operation Terror" is more like it.  That's what always goes through my mind when I see one of her updates!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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lyra wrote:

"Operator Terror" is more like it.  That's what always goes through my mind when I see one of her updates!

yup, Operation Terror, from the Hoax of Heaven.

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Jen wrote:
lyra wrote:

"Operator Terror" is more like it.  That's what always goes through my mind when I see one of her updates!

yup, Operation Terror, from the Hoax of Heaven.

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doh!  I meant to write "OperatION terror", but it came out "operatOR terror."  !  I edited my post. 

"Hoax of Heaven".......that's good!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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"operator terror", I missed that...just goes to show, we see what we expect to see! big_smile

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You people are funny. Operation Terror from the Hoax of Heaven. hehehe

Thanks for the explanations. I still have difficulty with the black & white view, though. There are those in what is called by your definitions STO who have gotten caught up in people pleasing and soft boundaries and other unhealthy STO-type behavior. Does this make them STS?

Key concepts on montalk.net include

- beings with freewill can be coerced into behaving as though they have none

Are STO who have been coerced STO or STS?

I also disagree that not-so-physical STO aren't forced to interact with STS except by choice. STS have invaded "spaces" (for lack of a better non-physical expression) where not-so-physical STO thought they were safe. I know this for a fact.

So I feel the Ra material (which by using a multi-layered definition may imply raw material) can be honed or more finely tuned by expansion of consciousness. Not arguing about original meanings, just questioning if they truly apply across the board.

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Monica wrote:

You people are funny. Operation Terror from the Hoax of Heaven. hehehe

Thanks for the explanations. I still have difficulty with the black & white view, though. There are those in what is called by your definitions STO who have gotten caught up in people pleasing and soft boundaries and other unhealthy STO-type behavior. Does this make them STS?

I see this dynamic in me with my roommate. She's manipulating the housecleaning situation so that I am doing most of it presently.

It's a small apartment,  so it's not a lot of work, still it's not what I would prefer.  However, I've chosen not to make an issue of this for now--I'm biding my time until I either simply find another place or confront her
with what's going on.  In the process, I'm learning alot about STS and also about myself.  I think it's also true that she has a need to be taken care of (unresolved motherstuff) and as a Cancer sun sign,  I have the "mothering" quality she may be unconsciously seeking.

Key concepts on montalk.net include

- beings with freewill can be coerced into behaving as though they have none

Are STO who have been coerced STO or STS?

Montalk said earlier in this thread that they are "STS by default."  Perhaps you could clarify that statement, Montalk?

I also disagree that not-so-physical STO aren't forced to interact with STS except by choice. STS have invaded "spaces" (for lack of a better non-physical expression) where not-so-physical STO thought they were safe. I know this for a fact.

Could you elaborate?

So I feel the Ra material (which by using a multi-layered definition may imply raw material) can be honed or more finely tuned by expansion of consciousness. Not arguing about original meanings, just questioning if they truly apply across the board.

Not sure what you are saying here...

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Jen wrote:

Montalk said earlier in this thread that they are "STS by default."  Perhaps you could clarify that statement, Montalk?

Sure, when occupying a human body we must engage in at least a default set of self-serving behaviors, like self-preservation requiring the killing of living things in order to feed ourselves. If you feed on beings, and beings feed on you, then you are part of the food chain and food chains are not STO. However, if you are talking about what direction you are evolving, what your grander destiny might be, what you could have been before incarnating into this realm, then "STO" might be more descriptive. What side of town you are on and what direction you are heading are two different things, you might be on the south side heading back north...likewise, you might be STS now but heading back STO.

Nevertheless, the basic self-serving stuff aside, there is obviously great variance in how people choose to go from there. Some express themselves through more active manipulation of others, some express themselves through means that are more helpful to others. I think it is intent, destiny, direction of evolution, and awareness that counts. Saying we are STS because we live in human bodies is like saying we are wet because we're underwater...nothing personal. But it would be a mistake saying we are walking on sunny land even if we're breathing air...each of us has an air tank which is our hearts linking us back to our higher selves, yet we are soaked. Some people like being underwater and are growing gills. To be completely STO would mean transcending the food chain completely and becoming entirely selfless. If you tried to do that right now, you would die, proving that you are essentially STS...though that says nothing about the nature of your soul.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Wow! Thanks to all for the posts and views. Are you aware NR forum began to act as a spiritual anti-virus program? At least for me.


montalk wrote:

Sure, when occupying a human body we must engage in at least a default set of self-serving behaviors, like self-preservation requiring the killing of living things in order to feed ourselves. If you feed on beings, and beings feed on you, then you are part of the food chain and food chains are not STO.

After finishing Monroe trilogy and totally amazed with the stuff - especially loosh production, I began to examine food chain and whole nutrition subject as a fractal. When you become aware that minerals (1D) are food to plants/animals (2D), plants/animals are food to each other and humans (3D) you become aware that there are beings that see humans as plants/animals (4D) and there are beings that see humans as minerals (6D?). This is great fractal, everything fits into it's place. We see humans use animals in farms, zoos, national parks and even circusses. I began to see all religions/beliefs can fit into one of these category. From what I read, Op. Terra seems like a halfway between circus and a zoo! smile

Change we must, to live again
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feritciva wrote:

After finishing Monroe trilogy and totally amazed with the stuff - especially loosh production, I began to examine food chain and whole nutrition subject as a fractal. When you become aware that minerals (1D) are food to plants/animals (2D), plants/animals are food to each other and humans (3D) you become aware that there are beings that see humans as plants/animals (4D) and there are beings that see humans as minerals (6D?). This is great fractal, everything fits into it's place. We see humans use animals in farms, zoos, national parks and even circusses. I began to see all religions/beliefs can fit into one of these category. From what I read, Op. Terra seems like a halfway between circus and a zoo! smile

It's true what you say about how humans use animals,  OTOH, let's not forget that many people in 3D see their animals as equal beings,
and are even closer to them than they are to their own flesh and blood!

Likewise,  not all beings in 4D see humans as something to feed off, though some do.  I don't believe 6D beings see us as minerals--Ra is of 6D and communicates with us as equals.  Our higher self is supposed to reside on 6D also.

We now have some awareness of the sentience of plants, as well.
When we reach a certain stage of development, all is an aspect of the One, no "higher" or "lower."