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I've been really thinking this over, not being able to get to sleep and I think I might be being brainwashed. I'm starting to think that for all the talk by Ron about how you should think for yourself and not belief anyone who talks about something you can't experience for yourself that this is a kind of brainwashing technique that makes you think you thinking for yourself when actually you'll just chanting the mantra that all scientologists chant. i think it's very easy for a scientologist to not realise that they're a slave until it's too late.
i have some serious thinking to do - i've reread all the posts here but i don't know what to do?!??!?!? i still think there is some truth there.

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((((((Hugs))))))) Adam. It's a tough thing, what you're facing. But as with all challenges, a great deal can be gained from the going through. I wish you the best in navigating through the possibilities. As potentially frightening as it can be to consider, there is a seed of truth in all things, or they could not exist. So... extract the value of a thing, toss the dross, and find your own unique center. smile

~Sowelu

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

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Adam,

Think about this statement:

"You can and must think for yourself. We all think for ourselves here.
As long as you also think for yourself then obviously you'll be
thinking what we are thinking. If you don't think the same things as we
do, then you are not thinking for yourself."

There you see that the very command to think for yourself is used to make
you not think for yourself. It's false logic that works to deceive
people on the subconscious level. As long as people do no treach a
certain threshold of awareness, such tricks remain subliminal and very
persuasive. Certain peer pressure and psychological shock techniques are
used to keep the mind in a vulnerable state. That is how any
brainwashing takes place.

I've seen it happen in other groups.
Basically because everyone in the organization agrees with everyone
else, they think that by sheer number of agreement it must be the truth
and any dissent by an individual means he or she is being less objective.

Dissent may come about because of two main reasons: 1) the individual is
more objective than the collectively delusional group, or 2) the
individual is less objective. The number of nodding heads in the group
convinces them all that anyone who disagrees with them must be case #2,
as there's no way they can accept #1 which would mean blaming
themselves.  And yet #1 is a very real possibility...

All I can say is that with any such organizations, the threshold of
independent thinking is lowered through a variety of techniques falsely
labelled "deprogramming" and lots of manipulation creeps in beneath
that threshold to reinforce control while above that threshold all these
wonders and emotional candy are displayed to keep people in place. It is
not the surface benefits that make the case, but the level of
subconscious manipulation pervading the organizational structure.

I think the real test is what kind of response dissent creates. Are the
responses rooted in actual independent thinking, personal experience,
insight, observation, reasoning?  Or are the responses very knee-jerk
and prone to circular reasoning, recycling of a limited set of scripted
phrases, and if all that fails then harassment, intimidation, and
character assassination? The latter you will also find in many
fundamentalist religious groups.

Just remember that if an entire group is "off" somehow, then a lone
individual receiving their wrath for dissenting may still be in the
right...."truth and one" is a majority. There's something inherently
wrong with the reasoning that "You are free to think whatever you want
as long as it matches what we think." Lastly...even if a group starts
out with good intentions and a good ideology, there will be gaps in
structure and ideology through which psychopathic forces eventually
manage to assert their control.

As long as you are aware, like Sowelu said you can and will find your
unique center. Treading a unique path ensures that your path is as
unique as you.

regards,
Tom

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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celebritology

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Thanks guys,

But the truth is I have not been brainwashed and the principles and theory in Scientology make sense without being a member of Scientology.

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http://myopiczeal.blogsome.com/2005/03/ … -baptized/

Is this good or bad? or just dramatic filler?

http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1498084 … korn.jhtml

I'm leaning towards dramatic filler on this one . . .

I am as is Void.

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Xenopope wrote:

http://myopiczeal.blogsome.com/2005/03/ … -baptized/

Is this good or bad? or just dramatic filler?

http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1498084 … korn.jhtml

I'm leaning towards dramatic filler on this one . . .

I don't know, I'll refrain from personal judgment, but what I can observe is that people who convert or become born again Christians usually always do so with zealous fanaticism.  They get all crazy about it.   He's probably sincere, which is where I'm refraining from judgment, because I'm not him, so, I can't know.  But the zealousness of it.......targetting other musicians like 50 Cent to give them songs that he penned which "come from God" and act as a "father disciplining his son" ??   See, that's gettin' crazy.   If he just left the band, said I've had a change of heart, I can't do this anymore, I need to change the way I'm living my life, I've found religion, thanks for the memories, see you around, then that's cool.   Good for him.  But then they have to keep going with it..............get all crazy about it, start intruding on other people with it, getting all fanatical and zealous.  That's what causes people to doubt it or dismiss it, which they (the converts) don't understand. 

What I find even more interesting is that people who convert to other religions / spiritual paths, say Buddhism for instance, don't get like this.   They're not shouting from the rooftops and harrassing other people, trying to push their religion's particular icons onto others.

So why is this, I wonder??   What is it about converting to Christianity that causes soooo many people to flip out about it?   I've met people like this, I know them from first hand experience.  I actually quit a job once because of one!!!!!!    I was at this job for 5 weeks and could not take one more second of my born again Christian co-worker.  All day long it was God this and Jesus that.  She found a way to insert it into any conversation.   Her profile was 50-something, divorced from an alcoholic dud, lived alone, no luck in the man department, seemed lonely and disgruntled with the way her life had gone in general.   Jesus and her church group had become her lifeline I guess.   I don't know.   But again, why don't other religious converts get like this??   I'm guessing Christianity - the modern, tainted version of it - attracts in people of a certain frequency.   Other religions and spiritual paths attract those of a different nature.   That's my tentative working theory on it...

(on an edit sidenote -  Another explanation could be that one MAJOR aspect of Christianity, the modern tainted version of it, is to portray Jesus as this *character* - we've all seen the puppy eyed paintings of Jesus with the long hair and beard, looking serenly towards the heavens.  He's everybody's friend, your invisible playmate.  Like Depeche Mode sang, "Your own personal Jesus, someone who hears your prayers, someone who cares......."  I think for people who are floating, lost, feeling lonely and fearful, this works for them.  They have this character to latch onto......)

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Xenopope wrote:

http://myopiczeal.blogsome.com/2005/03/ … -baptized/

Is this good or bad? or just dramatic filler?

http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1498084 … korn.jhtml

I'm leaning towards dramatic filler on this one . . .

I would say that anyone who claims to be "merely acting as an emmisary from God" is seriously deluded. The term Antichrist would be more fitting.

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To balance the Christianity arguments with what I know (we must talk about what we have experience with, and are more knowledgable with what we have experienced and therefore talk more about it, and so on and blah blah) Christianity is taught with a concept of imprisonment (which leads to death and Hell) and freedom, and the concern that some of these born-agains are going out with is with this concept.  No other religion really talks about the seriousness of "failing" in this physical plane, so you get the desperation and commitment.  Also, since it is so mainstream, that means more familiarity and exposure and more comfort in trying to convert others.

Just look here with Scientology, people have jumped on Adam for having his point of view and are more willing to accept him when he thinks he may be wrong.  Montalk's quote

"You can and must think for yourself. We all think for ourselves here.
As long as you also think for yourself then obviously you'll be
thinking what we are thinking. If you don't think the same things as we
do, then you are not thinking for yourself."

fits in real nicely here, especially the subliminal coersion to fall in line.  While people here may have the best intentions, it comes off as bad as some think Christianity comes off as.

The same way some feel about spreading the truth about 911, or here with hyperdimensional beings and ignorance, a lot of Christians feel about the state of people being saved.  From what they know, it comes from a caring about the state of people's souls, an earnest desire, no matter what is lurking beneath it.  If not out of love or compassion, it is the same as the attitude towards sin as they do towards smoking, that it is bad for your health and must be looked down upon.

I've had my dealings with these people as much as the next person.  Yes, a few really harp on the sinning thing, and don't really accept you if you aren't living the right lifestyle, according to their interpretation, and, yes, a lot of Christians don't know what Christianity is about and think people are going to be punished for what I think are ignorant judgments, but, hell, wouldn't it be nice if there were people that let you talk about your beliefs without looking down on you for it, or let you spout your views on something like the dangers of television or the "news" and actually not think you're a complete idiot for something they think is ridiculous?

I think there are a couple of good views to present to one's self.  If you thought what the Bible preached was literal truth, what would you do about it?  You have one life to get it right, and it is pretty bad when you don't.  You're supposed to love truth and God, because it is a respect for your Creator.  If you know the truth, you are supposed to spread it, because it is the ultimate compassion.  What makes their view any less valid?  Who is to say that they may not have more truth, or just as much truth, or something to contribute?

I think that the really fundamental, intense Christians aren't that numerous, and I wouldn't base my opinion of the religion on those type of people anyway.  I can't say what all born-again Christians are like, and I'm sure most who find their Christian faith are pretty low-key about it.  Most people only know the outspoken ones, which would obviously present a slanted picture.  I guess it depends on how you want to look at it, the emotional issues you have with it, and what your agenda is.  In my experience, people deal with Christians the way they would deal with people in general.  Being Christian merely paints a target on the person so that it becomes easier to vent your frustration on them.

Thanks for letting me speak my views.

Oh, and mind controlled celebrities and such...

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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This is from the chapter called "Religion" in Christopher Reeve's book Nothing Is Impossible published in 2002. In it is his experience with Scientology.

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In the fall of 1975, I was living in my own apartment on the Upper West Side and in rehearsal for A Matter of Gravity, a Broadway-bound play with Katharine Hepburn. I had just turned twenty-two and was rather proud of myself. And why not? I had earned a B.A. from Cornell, been a graduate student at Juilliard, appeared in several off-Broadway productions, and gained notoriety as a likeable bad guy on a daytime TV series. In my spare time I was taking flying lessons and fully enjoying my life as a young bachelor in the Big Apple.

One afternoon on my way to the grocery store, I came across a young man standing next to a sign on a sidewalk that read, FREE PERSONALITY TEST, NO OBLIGATION. Figuring I had nothing to lose, I followed his directions to the sixth floor of the prewar apartment building behind him. The door was unlocked, so I opened it and found myself in the New York headquarters of the Church of Scientology.

The whole place was buzzing with energy and activity. In the main office area about thirty people were working at their desks or gathered in small groups, engaged in quiet but intense conversation. They all appeared to be in their late twenties or early thirties, ethnically diverse, clean-cut, and neat. The men wore shirts and ties and the women were dressed in modest skirts or slacks. In a far corner, six Scientologists sat facing each other in two rowst of three. None of them spoke; everyone stared intently into the eyes of the person opposite. They were clearly not distracted by the ebb and flow of workers in the office behind them. I was amazed by the apparent depth of their concentration, even as I wondered what the purpose of staring at each other was.

A young man much like the one I'd met on the sidewalk, of medium height and build, wearing a crisp white shirt and a conservative pinstriped tie, came forward to greet me. He gave his name, shook my hand warmly, and never broke direct eye contact as he asked how he could help. I told him I was interested in the free personality test, to which he replied, "Of course. One moment, please." He stepped away briefly into the office area and came back with a form for me to fill out. The next thing I knew, I was seated at a desk in the reception area writing down my name, address, phone number, social security number, profession, date of birth, mother's maiden name, and more. In answer to the question "Are you affiliated with any other church?" I wrote "none."

I handed back the completed form and watied while he looked it over and conferred with several of his colleagues in the office. They must have reached a consensus fairly quickly because in just a few moments he came back with another form, which turned out to be the actual personality test. He invited me to return to my seat and respond to all the questions carefully, thoughtfully, and truthfully, taking as much time as I liked. There were no right or wrong answers.

As I looked over the test, I wished it were multiple choice. I wasn't expecting to have to write twenty short essays about myself. I wondered who would grade the paper: Was there an official tester who was solely responsible for evaluating the personality of every passerby who came in the door? I reminded myself that the test was free and there was no obligation, so why not just fill in the blanks, get the results, and make a quick exit.

It turned out not to be quite so easy. I spent forty-five minutes actually trying to do my very best. When I turned the test in to my host, I thought I had submitted quite an objective assessment of myself. What more could I do, especially considering that there were no right or wrong answers?

I had hoped to get the results that afternoon, but I was told that there wasn't enough time for them to review my test before the office closed for the day; I would have to come back tomorrow, but not before eleven a.m. Luckily my call time for rehearsal the next day wasn't until after lunch, so I was free to return. In hindsight, I wish my rehearsal call had been first thing in the morning.

I appeared at the church at the appropriate time, even though I wasn't sure why. Probably it was my competitive nature coming to the forefront once again: I needed to know the score. I thought I had hit a home run, so I probably just wanted to stop by for congratulations. Wrong. The same host greeted me just as warmly as he had the day before. Then I was invited to follow him. He led me down a hall and into a plush, wall-appointed private office; this was obviously the inner sanctum of the headquarters, suitable for the president or CEO of a major corporation.

Before I had much time to take in my surroundings, in came three apparently heavy hitters of the organization. They shook my hand in turn and introduced themselves with the warmth and direct eye contact that I wa now beginning to recognize as a trademark of Scientology. We settled into comfortable chairs and then one of the senior officials (I've forgotten his title), in a perfectly cheerful tone of voice, gave me the bad news. There was no score, no grade, no quantitiative measurement, just their assessment: I was obviously deeply depressed, suffering from low-self esteem, and carrying heavy "baggage" around with me, not only from emotional damage in this incarnation but from previous lives as well. His strong recommendation--echoed by his associates, and my host as well--was that I should begin "training" immediately.

I've always been very vulnerable to criticism, so what was said at that meeting had a strong effect. Maybe my life was all an illusion and I had no true knowledge about myself--or anything else for that matter. I agreed to come back before rehearsal the next day, and to begin studying Scientology with an open mind.

The basic principles of the religion, described in the works of its founder, L. Ron Hubbard, struck me as logical and highly motivating. An engineer by trade, Hubbard viewed the human mind as a complex but manageable computer. Every thought, every emotion, every experience is stored in the memory banks of the computer within us. What stops us from experiencing joy and achieving success is that we are not “Clear” : all the negativity–self-hatred, anger, jealousy, pessimism, feelings of inadequacy, and the like–that remains in the computer brings us down. Unless that negativity is “blown away”  we are “stuck,”  condemned to repeating the same mistakes, falling into counterproductive patterns of behavior and unable to find fulfillment.

No one at the church was willing to estimate how long it would take for me to “go Clear,”  but they implied that it would require quite some time. The first step was joining a group like the one I'd seen when I first entered the headquarters, staring intently into the eyes of another recruit sitting opposite me. The objective was to empty our minds of extraneous thoughts (“clutter') and focus all our attention on the other person. As we became completky absorbed in this exercise, known as “TR-0”  (Training Routine Zero), we were to lose awareness of ourselves. Whenever our own clutter tried to come back in, we were not to be “upset” ; we were to acknowledge its return and then command it to go away. At first this was nearly impossible. My head was filled with nothing but clutter, unwanted thoughts about myself, and judgmental thoughts about my partner. Gradually I learned–much like someone studying Transcendental Meditation–to empty my mind. Then I was able to share the same space with another person, not doing anything, just existing. I have to admit that was quite a high. I left those early sessions, which sometimes laster over an hour, feeling both relaxed and energized.

The TR-0 experience was relatively inexpensive, costing perhaps a few hundred dollars. But the next step was “auditing,”  which was outrageously expensive and would have to continue for an unspecified length of time. The church required a deposit of $3,000 in advance of one-on-one meetings with an “auditor,”  which cost $100 an hour. (In 1975, even the best psychoanalysts charged about half that in private practice.)

Having been convinced that I needed auditing, I put down my deposit and began meeting with my assigned auditor twice a week. She turned out to be a very attractive brunette about my age who had recently come to New York from somewhere in the Midwest. She had gone Clear and become a certified auditor in her home state, arriving not only with these credentials but the bright-eyed enthusiasm of a hostess at Disneyland.

We worked together seated on opposite sides of a wide mahogany desk. In front of her was an “E-Meter,”  a simiple box with a window that contained a fluctuating needle and a card with numbers form one to ten. Two wires running out of the box and across the desk were attached to tin cans that I was asked to hold, one in each hand. As my auditor asked questions my responses would translate into electrical impulses that flowed through the cans and the wires, causing the needle to move. The E-Meter was basically a crude lie detector. Questions touching issues that needed to be “blown away”  would peg the needle at ten; anything innocuous hardly registered. I remember feeling a little foolish, but I had already invested a huge amount of money so I had to give it a chance.

One of the reasons that auditing was such a long and expensive process for most people in training was that we had to recall the use of almost every kind of drug. Not just illegal substances, but painkillers, antiobiotics, routine vaccinations such as flu shots--anything and everything stronger than aspirin. Hubbard believed that a student could not go Clear without completely deleting drugs from the mind's computer. Obviously it's crucial for anyone to kick a drug habit, but why would he object to penicillin or a vaccination against measles? (Fortunately there was not list of forbiggen foods, and we didn't have to remember every cigarette or sip of beer.)

My drug rundown used up four or five sessions, and then it was on to past lives. I was asked to go back as far as I could to try to remember my earliest incarnation. We all began as souls, or “Thetans,”  floating somewhere in space, until we entered a body at some time in history. Sitting across from my auditor and holding the tin cans lightly (I had learned that gripping them too hard caused sweaty palms and false readings on the E-Meter), I searched the back rooms of my mind. Nothing there. Several minutes of agonizing silence went by as my auditor waited patiently.

Then my growing skepticism about Scientology and my training as an actor took over. With my eyes closed, I gradually began to remember details from a devastating past life experience that had happened in ancient Greece. I was the commander of a warship returning victoriously to Athens after a battle in Crete. My father was the king and I was his only son, the sole heir to the throne. Many months before, when my fleet cast off from the port city of Piraeus, he had embraced me and made me promise one thing: on our return we would set white sails for victory, and black sails in memoriam if I had been defeated or lost at sea.

After our glorious triumph we departed the coast of Crete at night, carrying our black sails to slip away unnoticed. As a fair wind pushed us quickly homeward, on board the celebrations began. There was wine, music, dancing, and tributes to the gods. I allowed the men to eat freely; there was no more need for rationing because we would soon be home.

On the morning of the third day we could make out the shores of Greece and the city of Piraeus in the distance. Lookouts on a promontory saw our ships; messengers were sent to fetch the king. He arrived with great fanfare within the hour, hastened to the best vantage point, and eagerly searched the horizon. By now the ships were in plain view, but the sight of them was devasting ot the king: they were fast approaching Piraeus, but all were flying black sails. Carried away by the joyous celebration of victory on the voyage home, I had neglected to give the order to change them. The king, my beloved father, in despair over the loss of his son, threw himself off the promontory into the sea and died instantly.

The auditors are trained to listen to the studens without emotion; their job is to write down what is said and record the indications of the needle on the E-Meter. But I could tell that my auditor was deeply moved by my story and trying hard to maintain her professional demeanor. I sensed that was was making a profound connection between the guilt over the death of my father when I was a Greek warrior in a past life and my relationship with my father in the present.

And that was the end of my training as a Scientologist. My story was actually a slightly modified account of an ancient Greek myth: Theseus' return to his homeland after slaying the Minotaur in Crete. According to legend, his father, King Aegeus, was in fact so distraught by the sight of the black sails that he plunged to his death in the waters known ever after as the Aegean Sea. I didn't expect my auditor to be familiar with Greek mythology; I was simply relying on her ability, assisted by the E-Meter, to discern the truth. The fact that I got away with a blatant fabrication completely devalued my belief in the process.

Of course that was 1975, and my case may have been an exception to the rule. Many well-known and highly respected people credit Scientology for success in their careers, in relationships, and especially in their family lives. I fully support whatever belief systems make us better human beings. My problem has always been with religiouis dogma intended to manipulate behavior, and a claim by any religion that theirs is the One True Way.

The end of my encounter with Scientology marked the beginning of an ongoing search for the meaning of spirituality in my life. It would take many years, many well-intentioned but misguided detours, and ultimately a near-fatal accident for me to find the answer.

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Adam wrote:

I've been really thinking this over, not being able to get to sleep and I think I might be being brainwashed. I'm starting to think that for all the talk by Ron about how you should think for yourself and not belief anyone who talks about something you can't experience for yourself that this is a kind of brainwashing technique that makes you think you thinking for yourself when actually you'll just chanting the mantra that all scientologists chant. i think it's very easy for a scientologist to not realise that they're a slave until it's too late.
i have some serious thinking to do - i've reread all the posts here but i don't know what to do?!??!?!? i still think there is some truth there.

Hi Adam.  Everything happens for a reason, either you will embrace your faith more or you will question it.  If your religion makes you happy then you should stick to it and hopefully you will be stronger for it.  I personally am not for Scientology but that is my belief.  It would almost be the quotes if a Muslim shared his faith some of us will not to hear it and some of us would to get both sides of the coin.  What I have learned on this sight Adam is there are very insightful people and for you to take all the advice openly is very commendable ( I almost felt sorry for you though, a few people were launching missles at you:)  But at least your choice to listen will either make you have stonger faith in Scientology or another path but spiritully you will always be strong.  I for one have my ears open on this site because..I SO MUCCCCHH LOVE THIS SITE:)

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water115 wrote:

I for one have my ears open on this site because..I SO MUCCCCHH LOVE THIS SITE:)

I like it here too!   :-)

Feel the love!

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Mind control and occultism in  music
http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and- … -music.htm



"it's not mentioned here, but the Rolling Stones were created from the same source and with the same purpose. Beatles were supposed to be the "good guys" while the Rolling Stones were the "bad guys". Also, the Rolling Stones were experts in creating repeating "riffs", meaning a musical phrase that's looping over and over again (like in "Satisfaction", "Jumping Jack Flash" etc.). These repeating riffs trigger the mind and make one receptive to whatever sub-message you want to transfer into the minds of the listener. In the case of the Rolling Stones we have satanic messages in their lyrics, and they have repeated that over and over through the years (a more recent example is the "Bridge To Babylon" album). Those riffs, listened to while being under the influence of certain drugs, put you in a hypnotic state, but they can also make you hyper-energetic under other circumstances. It is nothing wrong with using riffs in music, but many musicians also add lyrics and/or subliminal messages to it, and it all hits your subconscious in whatever way they want. Rock music is a very powerful tool for the Illuminati.

The Beatles were made "Members of the British Empire" by Queen Elizabeth II of England in the 60's. The Queen is one of the highest Illuminati members on this planet. If the Beatles were so "rebellious" and against the system as John Lennon always said they were, how come the Queen accepted them? Quite recently Paul McCartney was knighted as well. Elton John is another example of a number of artists and actors who have been knighted. The ONLY ones being knighted by the Queen of England are those who have served the Illuminati Agenda well. Things are not what they seem to be. We have been severely tampered with and extremely deceived"

Well plants hates rock music smile

the fake paul mccartney?
http://digilander.libero.it/p_truth/

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Barefoot Doc wrote:

the fake paul mccartney?
http://digilander.libero.it/p_truth/

I still can't make up my mind on this one.  montalk posted this link or something like it a long time ago, and at the time it seemed convincing, but now I'm waivering!  smile   I just don't know.  "Faul" manages to have the same asymetrical droopy eyes that Paul did - and the original Billy Shepherd pics make it seem impossible that they could have turned that redheaded guy who looked nothing like Paul McCartneyy into Paul II.

Then there's the matter of his daughter Stella McCartney.   She looks just like the real Paul McCartney.  Same round face and everything.  There's no doubt!  She doesn't look a thing like Billy Shepherd, which she should have were she really his spawn and not Paul's.

But then again, there are all those weird "clues" all over the album covers and song lyrics and titles.  Or is the author of that website just reading into things too much?  I don't know.  But why is Paul the only one who's barefoot and out of synch with the other band members on the Abbey Road cover?  I don't know either!  big_smile

For every reason I can come up with to support the theory, I can see a reason not to. I'm literally 50/50 on this one for the time being.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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It's obvious to me that Paul was replaced, except not by this red-headed Billy Shepherd. There's a black and white photo on the page that looks like a student or passport photo - this the page claims was the red-head after a round of plastic surgery. But I don't think that's true - that was an original photo of the guy who actually did replace Paul. He already had somewhat droopy eyes, but his nose and chin required the most plastic surgery and prostheses as time went on. The main difference between Paul and Faul is that the first looked more like Mr Bean, wider eyes and squatter face. Paul's jaw extended much farther below his ears than Faul's, except in much later photos where it looks like Faul had implants. And Faul had a narrower face with eyes closer together. Also, Paul's eyes were not only droopy, but the bottom lid slanted downwards toward the sides of the face while Faul only had his upper eyelid droopified, which is why his eyes seem rounder than Paul's. There's a photo there comparing the eyes of Faul and Paul -- forget the eyes, look at the earlobes. Faul has narrow folds, Paul has puffy folds in his lobes.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.