Orgins of God (Page 1 of 2)

Personally I think that's an unknowable mystery. It's the ultimate question, and it doesn't matter whether you're an atheist, theist or agnostic, none of those people can ever answer the question "why is there anything at all?"

No atheist who believes in the Big Bang can answer the question "Well what caused the Big Bang?", and no spiritual or religious person who believes in a God or a creator can answer the question "Well where did the creator come from?"

I think it'll be an eternal mystery, one that perhaps even the ultimate intelligence, whatever that is, can figure out.

Andy

The problem isn't so much in the answer, but in the question itself. Our human mindset is very embedded within the concept of time, and the passage of linear time. Esoteric wisdom has always maintained that time is really just an illusion, and quantum physics backs up this idea. So, if we assume that time is indeed an illusion -- and that, therefore, there isn't really a beginning or an end to anything -- then the question of something being created becomes moot. It is truly infinite, having always existed. This answer is about the best we can arrive at without driving ourselves nuts trying to understand what cannot be understood in a logical manner.

Indeed Neo, that was always in the back of my mind. But let me ask you, do you still believe this whole process was engineered by a higher power or did evolution run its course? To be more specific do you think at one point in time you had a few elements that joined with other elements to create other elements or was this whole process systematically planned?

I don't see that there's any difference between the two.

I don't know, but I do remember first pondering this myself at about the age of 5 or so.  Quite mind boggling for a little kid.    That and the whole idea of the universe being so big that it doesn't end.  I couldn't wrap my mind around that one either.  Too much for my little 5 year old brain. 

So what's God then?  Is there even a God?  And where does it come from?

That, I don't know.  The only thing I can say for certain is that God does not exist in the way that mainstream religions would have us believe.   Calling God "He" and "Him" and attributing a gender to "Him".   Projecting human emotions and qualities onto this supposed "Him."  Wrath, anger, vengence, annoyance, disappointment, judgment......it's never anything positive.   The God of the hardcore religions such as Catholicism is always angry and wrathful and can never be pleased.   It's quite sad, actually. 

The topic of God can make me frown.  Too many wars and death and blood shed over "MY God versus YOUR God."   Too much fighting.  Silly humans.   Most will never get it.

Another one to look into if you're interested is Phi, the Golden Ratio.  I'm reading up on this right now actually, bought a book on it.  But Phi appears everywhere in nature, it's simply amazing.   From shells to the human body, from the way leaves are arranged on plant stems to pineapples.   Over and over again you will find Phi in nature, the geometrical building block I guess you could call it.  How did this happen??  I don't know, but THAT'S the sort of stuff that makes you wonder.

The wonder of DNA and genetics, in all critters......

The way a caterpillar can go from being a multi-legged worm looking thing crawling on leaves to being a delicate and dainty butterfly which can fly around.......

The miracle of babies forming out of one egg and one sperm.  Then becoming a joined 2 cell organism.  Then multiplying into 4, 8, 16...and somehow managing to form into this complex thing called a Human??   Pretty amazing!.....

And yes, fingerprints.   

I think that if one can just simply appreciate the wonders of nature and life all around us then that in a way is getting close to what "God" is.  One doesn't have to have definitive answers.   Just...open your eyes, really take notice of things, even the small things, and appreciate what you see around you.

Yeah Gerardis is very cool. Here's a few of his Cosmic Cookies, which you get one a day if you're a part of his Cosmic Cookie mailing list.

                                            Cosmic Cookie

                    All Atoms... Molecules... Rocks... Stars... Galaxies
                     Plants... Animals... People and all other Entities
                      in the entire Universe are Vibrations of Energy.
                               This Energy is Consciousness.
                      This Consciousness... Thought or Cosmic Essence
                                             IS
                            The Creative Force of the Universe.
                    All Things... Big and Small... Visible and Invisible
                                            ARE
                          this Creative Force expressed as Itself.
                      In all your Greatness and Smallness we are This.

                           THE CREATOR IS PRESENT IN ITS CREATION

                                           Cosmic Cookie

                         All Planes of Creation are States of Mind.
                       The Physical Universe... and all Matter Worlds
                            are Vibrating Forms of Mind Energy.
                      All Things... Creatures and Beings in our World
                          are Mind or Consciousness in Vibration.
                      We as Man live within one specific Form of Mind
                        and filter our Existence through our Senses.

                          We as Baby Gods live in a Sensory Cocoon
                                    and we are fenced in
                          by a Playpen of Spaciotemporal Material.

                          OUR SENSES ARE NOT THE LIMITS OF REALITY

                                        Cosmic Cookie

                                All the People in the World
                     are the Oneness of the Universe in manifestation.
                       However... the very Diversity and Separateness
                       in our Reality suggest that we are Strangers.
                            To rediscover our Universal Oneness
                              is what Human Life is all about.
                       We are the Unbroken Wholeness of the Universe
                    expressed as Free... Separate and Individual Beings.
                    Because of the Freedom and Diversity in our Creation
                        we sometimes choose to behave like Enemies.
                           It's called... The Play of God as Man.

                       PRESENTLY WE ARE LOST GODS IN OUR OWN CREATION

                                       Cosmic Cookie

                               Every Year all over the World
                     Millions of People are born... suffer... and die.
                           Why they are born... suffer... and die
                                    they never discover.
                              And only a few of them ever ask
                     ? Who really am I... and what is my Purpose here ?

                      We are here to raise the Level of our Awareness.

                      Many of us do this by living miserable Lifetimes
                                until the God in us awakens.

                     IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO REALLY HELP THE MASSES

                                       Cosmic Cookie

                        God is like Air... God is like Electricity.
                             God is like all Forces in Nature.
                         God is Neutral... Impersonal and Carefree.
                          God is the Energy of Balanced Existence.

                         God... or the Energy of Balanced Existence
                                 does not know that I exist
                             but I know that I am this Energy.
                                      This is Enough.
                         The Energy of Balanced Existence is Love.
                                      Love for Itself.
                                 We are That... I am That.

                         GOD IS THE POWER OF LOVE WITHIN ALL OF US

                                        Cosmic Cookie

                                    GOD IS NOT A GUIDE.
                         Guidance implies that there is a right Way
                               and that there is a wrong Way.
                                  There is only God's Way.
                        You are God as Man... with your own Feelings
                                  and your own free Will.
                               Whatever Way you're going now
                              or whatever Path you are walking
                              you are walking the Path of God.
                                    Because you are God.
                    Until you understand this you aren't going Anywhere.

                      GOD IS THE WALKER... THE PATH... AND THE SCENERY

                                           Cosmic Cookie

                         God is not some Cosmic Parent in the Sky.
                             God is the Energy of the Universe.
                                  We are Mental Phenomena.

                         Millions of different Species of Mankind
                           live all over the Unlimited Universe.
                                Many Species in the Universe
                           are Older and Wiser than Man on Earth.
                     We are Beginners in the Cosmic School of Learning.
                                All of us are in the Process
                         of learning how to become Mature Creators.

                        WE ARE THE CREATOR DREAMING THAT WE ARE MAN

                                        Cosmic Cookie

                             It is extremely difficult for Man
                         to understand that he is his own Creator.
                       He has entered into an Aspect of his Creation
                           in which he has lost Conscious Contact
                               with his own Creative Source.
                     Since Man presently is the Effect of his own Cause
                    he is unable to look back and recognize his Source.
                     This is utterly confusing... until he understands
                        that we as Human Beings are the Realization
                        of the Dream we as the Source are dreaming.
                      We are the Creator dreaming... that we are Man.

                       WE ARE CAUGHT IN A MOST MYSTERIOUS PREDICAMENT

                                         Cosmic Cookie

                              In this World... and in the next
                                LIFE IS A DO IT YOURSELF JOB.
                           The Earth is a Gigantic Cosmic School
                     in which we have enrolled to become Mature Beings.
                         Time and Space are part of the Curriculum
                         and our Progress is an Individual Process.
                    We... the Great People of Earth... are the Creators
                          of this Cosmic School and by living here
                        we learn about the Details of our Creation.
                            We are the Students and the Masters
                                      simultaneously.

                        LIFE IS AN INFINITE SCHOOL WITHOUT DIPLOMAS

Young Prince. Nice sound to that, easy on the ear. Some people have extreme difficulty accepting religious or spiritual explanations of a Prime Mover. Some people root their understanding of reality in the laws of physics.  Some believe that one can decipher some of the rules of existence by a simple test. That is, a real law of God cannot be broken. We know some of these, others still wait. The major question(s) that I love to ask is--What's in it for God?  Why go to all the trouble?  Perhaps this and other universes are the answer to a problem a Creator might have. What that problem might be is intriquing. One problem a deity may have is an eternity of freezing cold and boredom. It is also possible that reality is the way it is because the deity had no other choice. It's a cookbook and an IQ test. God created evolution.  I like to believe that we are not privy to all the cause and effect that guided the creation. But this creator left footprints. See the square root of 2 for further understanding. There are thousands of examples of weirdness that were installed into this reality, and they're not in the Bible. See Chaos theory. See about the Hydrogen Song and it's possible use as the connection between everything alive and Her. But the primary reason to think that there is a Prime Mover is that Atheism is boring. Much more fun is:  It's a She, looks a lot like a starlet and is happy to see you. Enjoy.