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Hi all,

In light of the whole manufactured oil crisis / peak oil / outrageous gas prices, I did a little research online regarding the origins of oil.   This came about because I was posting on the "Peak Oil" thread over on the Goro forum and proposed the idea, "What if oil is NOT what they're telling us it is?   What if it is in fact, renewable???"   This was something I remember thinking even as a kid.  I just never believed the story they were feeding us that oil is supposed to derive from the decaying organic material of prehistoric life.   (? !!! ? !!!)   That sounded ludicrous to me, even as a kid.   (there's a long list of things that sounded ludicrous to me as a kid, including religion, and the origins of man, to name a couple of things;  kids really do have a knack for common sense which is beaten out of us by the time we're adults.)    So I hopped on Google and did a search.   

WELL............I found several things I'd like to share here.   

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread38279/pg1

An excerpt from this particular article:

Oil is from Asteroids, not Organics!

Millions of Americans learned in grade school that oil deposits originated in the age of dinosaurs, when vegetation in lush forests was buried and subjected to high heat and pressure. Those extreme conditions supposedly transformed the hydrocarbons in vegetation into the hydrocarbons of petroleum.

"That's nonsense," snapped Thomas Gold, a scientist at Cornell University. "There's not a shred of evidence from chemistry, geology, or any other science to support it. It has no place in textbooks and school classrooms."

Oil is often called a 'fossil' fuel; the idea being that it comes from formerly living organisms. This may have been plausible back when oil wells were drilled into the fossil layers of the earth's crust; but today, great quantities of oil are found in deeper wells that are found below the level of any fossils. How could then oil have come from fossils, or decomposed former living matter, if it exists in rock formations far below layers of fossils the evidence of formerly living organisms? It must not come from living matter at all!

Tar-coated comets and oily asteroids

The idea that complex hydrocarbons (the main components of petroleum oil) are a natural part of the Earth's crust should come as no surprise to scientists who study comets and asteroids. Some of the meteorites that fall to Earth are rich in tar-like hydrocarbons. Comets such as Halley and Hale-Bopp are thought to have a skin of tar-like material covering a "dirty snowball" -- like an ice cream dipped in chocolate.


And:

http://www.davidicke.net/mysteries/reports/oil.html

An excerpt from this article:

"Any geologist will tell you, well, most geologists will tell you that OIL IS CREATED BY THE MAGMA OF THE EARTH. The oil wells in Pennsylvania that were pumped out dry at the turn of the century and capped are now filled with oil again...."

....Kantrowitz turned to the geologist beside him and asked, "Do you really believe that petroleum is a fossil fuel?" The man said, "Certainly" and all four of them joined in. Kantrowitz listened quietly and then said, "The deepest fossil ever found has been at about 16,000 feet below sea level; yet we are getting oil from wells drilled to 30,000 and more. How could fossil fuel get down there? If it was once living matter, it had to be on the surface. If it did turn into petroleum, at or near the surface, how could it ever get to such depths? What is heavier Oil or Water?" Water: so it would go down, not oil. Oil would be on top, if it were "organic" and "lighter."

"Oil is neither."

They all agreed water was heavier, and therefore if there was some crack or other open area for this "Organic matter" to go deep into the magma of Earth, water would have to go first and oil would be left nearer the surface. This is reasonable. Even if we do agree that "magma" is a "crude mixture of minerals or organic matters, in a thin pasty state" this does not make it petroleum, and if it were petroleum it would have stayed near the surface as heavier items, i.e., water seeped below........"


And so on.  Please click on the links to read the rest of these articles and / or do your own search online to see what you come up with.  If anybody finds any good material, please, post it here.   The more material we have, the better.

I think this is important because we need to realize that things are not as they would like us to believe.   They're going to forcefeed us all this nonsense about "Peak oil!!!  Peak oil!!!!  The sky is falling!!  The sky is falling!!!"  and use that to justify charging us all $2 - 3 dollars per gallon, (and it's actually $6 - 8 euros per gallon in the UK........) for something that is pure LIES.   

Am I peeved?   Yup.   And you should be too.   Do you really want to be paying this much for gas?   And the reason for it being lies??    (But this entire reality is one big lie when you really stop and look at it.  But I digress!  A topic for another thread!  big_smile )  How is anything going to change when we keep tolerating this??   At this point I'm not even sure WHAT to do, other than to start with the basics and post this stuff on messageboards.    If anybody has any ideas, other than "Get a bike and start peddling!"  big_smile  I'd appreciate it.   Pass the info. along to anybody you know who might find it even remotely interesting.   Let's start actually questioning things, probing, pushing for the truth and stop this nonsense about "peak oil!".   I'm tired of hearing everybody parroting what "they" have conditioned us to repeat like good little obedient, brainwashed puppets.

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Oil is largely responsible for the ozone depletion though, and thus if we keep on using it as much as we do now, we'll soon all be fried. Or is this another lie?

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ermolai wrote:

Oil is largely responsible for the ozone depletion though, and thus if we keep on using it as much as we do now, we'll soon all be fried. Or is this another lie?

Nobody's denying the effects of burning oil.   But the fact is, the situation with oil is not what they're telling us it is.   So are we supposed to keep parroting "Peak oil!  Peak oil!" like they want us to, complacently paying more and more and more and more at the pump until we're all broke?  Or are we supposed to put our foot down?

As far as the detrimental effects of oil, and alternate fuel sources, if you have any ideas for what we can do, by all means, share them.   I did ask for any and all input and ideas and comments besides the expected "Get on a bike and peddle."   There HAS to be something we can do.     Even start another thread if you'd prefer.  I think it would be a good idea.    Stopping the rising gas / oil prices is something to do in the meantime, while we all figure out the next step, and how to get along without oil.

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ermolai wrote:

Oil is largely responsible for the ozone depletion though, and thus if we keep on using it as much as we do now, we'll soon all be fried. Or is this another lie?

I think the ozone layer blocks us from a lot of things; many positive and I'm assuming some negative which will just cause our bodies to adapt and evolve. Like in Mariniak's second book, "Earth", it says the iris of our eyes will change to adapt. The swiss-cheese holes opening up throughout the planet makes it possible for the light-rays encoded for the purpose of DNA activation to permeate through.

But I think you already have read all of this stuff ermolai, so sorry if I'm just repeating things.

I personally believe you are correct in suggesting that that fact is 'another lie'.

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Assuming that:

1) Oil doesn't come from where they are telling us, and there is far more oil than they are telling us,

2) Free energy inventions have been brutally suppressed

then this implies one thing: that the energy starvation of the world is deliberate and strategic. Formerly, the idea was that free energy devices were suppressed because they would bring down the oil cartels. But if oil itself is being restricted despite the oil cartels being able to make more money in the long run if it flowed freely, then there is something beyond their own vested interests for profit keeping this build up to an energy crunch going.

What would deliberate energy starvation lead to... collapsing of the world economy? WWIII? Interesting that China has been stockpiling oil and military supplies in anticipation of an eventual war against America.

Well, one good thing that will come out of this is increased demand for alternative energy technology. Maybe things will get chaotic/desperate enough that the suppression of free energy devices crumbles.

There are some threads on the free energy section of this forum regarding possibilities. Practical ideas: biodiesel, solar energy, LED lighting, etc... or more exotic things like free energy devices if one can build them without getting killed.

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While Britain were going through their overt imperial world domination phase they surveyed the whole of Egypt. Egypt is rich in oil and it makes a lot of sence considering that all the countries around are oil rich too. On the hand over of soverignty these oil survey reports went missing, and as the nationalist feelings increased, the British soon realised that they would never be able to covertly control the country like they could in kuwait, Iraq, Bahrain and Oman so they just sat on the reports. They probably still have them as an ace up their sleeve, but any new introduction of supply into the market would of course bring prices down. Presently for every 6 barrels mined only 1 barrel of oil is discovered.

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montalk wrote:

Assuming that:

1) Oil doesn't come from where they are telling us, and there is far more oil than they are telling us,

2) Free energy inventions have been brutally suppressed

then this implies one thing: that the energy starvation of the world is deliberate and strategic. Formerly, the idea was that free energy devices were suppressed because they would bring down the oil cartels. But if oil itself is being restricted despite the oil cartels being able to make more money in the long run if it flowed freely, then there is something beyond their own vested interests for profit keeping this build up to an energy crunch going.

What would deliberate energy starvation lead to...

Transportation remarks:

In the case of oil - gasoline, there are some environment issues in dense populated countries.
Also: issues on traffic and preventing full highways.

These are positive aspects of deliberate energy starvation, I know.

collapsing of the world economy?

I don't think so.

Well, one good thing that will come out of this is increased demand for alternative energy technology. Maybe things will get chaotic/desperate enough that the suppression of free energy devices crumbles.

Yes, but we got wind mills here, idiotic devices ! damaging the sight and landscape. And solar cells also are a not so intelligent solution.

There are some threads on the free energy section of this forum regarding possibilities. Practical ideas: biodiesel, solar energy, LED lighting, etc... or more exotic things like free energy devices if one can build them without getting killed.

Yes, right.

But we also have discovered another conspiracy here:

The forced artifical behaviour of inefficient energy consumption in many ways:

- Living-working traffic
- Kerosine untaxed (Aeroplane traffic)
- Transportation of cattle
- Artificial container traffic for tax/customs reasons
- Inefficient building and water usage
- Traffic planning idiocracies
- Heating up almost empty big buildings.
- The promoting of driving in cars instead of clean save public transportations
- and above all: the forced usage of inefficient heavy materials and organization-rules in industry, buildings and production processes by law and habits.

The big conspiracy with energy is:

Keep People Busy, Busy and Busy, so they have less TIME to THINK CLEARLY  for themselves, while consuming more and more "old" energy resources.

Then people become more stressed and will produce more negative energies which STSs and OPs can tap from.

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Stumbled across a (lengthy) but interesting article this morning pertaining to the non-biological origins of petroleum, and debunking the "Peak Oil" claim.

Don't tell Goro about it though.  wink  Although really, I'm not still bitter that he called me mentally disturbed for even reading and considering such possibilities.   haha  j/k 

Anyway, it's lengthy like I said, but might be worth the read for anybody who's interested in this topic.  It goes through, piece by piece, what the "evidence" has been so far in favor of biological, non-renewable origins of oil and either debunks or contradicts them, based on scientific evidence. 

While it's good to be informed and to not be duped by lies, in the end I have to admit, I do question what good it's going to do.   Can anything even be changed???  Does passing along information which can lead to knowledge even make a dent in what TPTB are doing to the population with their manipulated oil / gas hikes?   I don't know.  But I'm going to do it anyway.  Who knows what can come of something.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/317075.shtml

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ermolai wrote:

Oil is largely responsible for the ozone depletion though, and thus if we keep on using it as much as we do now, we'll soon all be fried. Or is this another lie?

I just wanted to add that I read somewhere that it's actually the Jumbo Jet aircraft which is largely (moreso than automobiles) responsible for the ozone problem, but then again I would also imagine that HAARP would have a lot to do with it as well.

And also I read that oil is actually the 'life blood' of the planet. And that seemed somehow accurate to me. So, Lyra, would this fit with your findings of it not being a fossil fuel? I thought it might.

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Xenopope wrote:

And also I read that oil is actually the 'life blood' of the planet. And that seemed somehow accurate to me. So, Lyra, would this fit with your findings of it not being a fossil fuel? I thought it might.

Well, my findings originallly were based on good old fashioned doubt.  A case of, "WHAT??  That doesn't sound right...."   As a kid, whenever I'd hear that "Oil comes from dinosaurs!" I just wouldn't / couldn't believe it.   It was something they threw at us, but I wouldn't let it stick to me. "Umm....no.  I don't think so."   And I never parroted it either.   My conclusion was it doesn't come from "dinosaurs", but I don't know where it does come from, so, I'm just not going to say (or parrot) anything on the matter.  It will just have to be a mystery on the backburner.   

Then articles began surfacing over the past couple of years that challenged the status quo on oil, and even though I don't know if they're any more correct on the matter, it's just a relief to finally see people contradicting what we've all been taught.  So for that reason, I've been posting them.  We need to see an alternate viewpoint for consideration.

Oil as the life blood of the planet....I don't know, but that's an interesting idea.  In one of the articles I read, they were saying oil originates from almost near the earth's core.   So I suppose that would fit in a way. 

I don't know.....I just think it's cool to read up on this stuff, get the ideas memorized in our heads, and this way the next time we encounter somebody parroting the same old same old about oil and gas, believing hook line and sinker what we've all been taught, we can tell them what we know.  Come back at them with something they weren't expecting.  If you do it correctly, you can pique people's interest rather than turn them off.   I know a lot of people here at NR have had bad experiences with the general population when they spout an alternative idea, but it's probably because they're using the wrong approach.   Sound sane, confident, charismatic and slightly amused and watch the response you'll get instead.   smile

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lyra wrote:

If you do it correctly, you can pique people's interest rather than turn them off.

This has the potential for being fine tuned into such a useful 'social art'. I've thought of that before, too and would suggest that anyone having the above mentioned problems would take this into consideration.

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Atlantis wrote:

But we also have discovered another conspiracy here:

The forced artifical behaviour of inefficient energy consumption in many ways:

- Living-working traffic
- Kerosine untaxed (Aeroplane traffic)
- Transportation of cattle
- Artificial container traffic for tax/customs reasons
- Inefficient building and water usage
- Traffic planning idiocracies
- Heating up almost empty big buildings.
- The promoting of driving in cars instead of clean save public transportations
- and above all: the forced usage of inefficient heavy materials and organization-rules in industry, buildings and production processes by law and habits.

The big conspiracy with energy is:

Keep People Busy, Busy and Busy, so they have less TIME to THINK CLEARLY  for themselves, while consuming more and more "old" energy resources.

Then people become more stressed and will produce more negative energies which STSs and OPs can tap from.

This makes sense. Conditioning consciousness to patterns of behavior and thinking. Nothing more. In that case a world energy shortage would lead to more fear and panic and the host of other negative, reactionary emotions that lead one to believing in a finite universe. Keep 'em in 3D if you can! Then humans can't claim their own personal power and draw in. The negative manifestation implodes on itself, drawing in destruction from outer space. Meteor shower, among other things, anyone? But on a positive, many are shocked to awaken, draw on expanded knowledge of infinite resources, and move on to a new earth (maybe)

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I think the Peak Oil thing is just a scam, bit like diamonds, if they released them as fast as they could mine them, they would be practically worthless. Don't know how reliable this is, but I read that there is more oil in Alaska and to the east of the Falklands than the entire Middle East.

As for pollution from oil use, thats a far more urgent problem. You Americans will have to drive smaller cars.

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i found a neat article on this years ago - following a track of links from J. Rense.
it was about the scam of peak oil. this piece said there was plenty of oil...in deeper regions (this jibes with all the above).
the russians have developed very deep drilling technologies. because of this, they will be in a good position down the road...
it also mentioned that the US learned of the technology - and decided they did'nt "want" it (forgot exact the wording).