Topic: How are we supposed to feel?

Today I received the following message.  Actually its a story which may or may not be true.  I'm not sure how to feel.  On the one hand, I could see myself cheering along with all the people on the plane.  On the other hand, all I can feel is sorrow.   More comments at the end after you have a chance to read it.

I sat in my seat of the Boeing 767 waiting for
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> > >          everyone to hurry and stow their carry-ons and grab
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> > >          a seat so we could start what I was sure to be a
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> > >          long , uneventful flight home. With the huge
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> > >          capacity and slow moving people taking their time to
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> > >          stuff luggage far too big for the overhead and never
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> > >          paying much attention to holding up the growing line
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> > >          behind them, I simply shook my head knowing that
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> > >          this flight was not starting out very well.
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> > >          I was anxious to get home to see my loved ones so I
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> > >          was focused on "my" issues and just felt like
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> > >          standing up and yelling for some of these clowns to
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> > >          get their act together. I knew I couldn't say a word
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> > >          so I just thumbed thru the "Sky Mall" magazine from
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> > >          the seat pocket in front of me. You know it's really
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> > >          getting rough when you resort to the over priced,
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> > >          useless sky mall crap to break the monotony. With
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> > >          everyone finally
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> > >          seated, we just sat there with the cabin door open
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> > >          and no one in any hurry to get us going although we
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> > >          were well past the scheduled take off time. No
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> > >          wonder the airline industry is in trouble I told
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> > >          myself. Just then, the attendant came on the
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> > >          intercom to inform us all that we were being
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> > >          delayed.
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> > >          The entire plane let out a collective groan. She
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> > >          resumed speaking to say "We are holding the aircraft
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> > >          for some very special people who are on their way to
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> > >          the plane and the delay shouldn't be more than 5
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> > >          minutes. The word came after waiting six times as
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> > >          long as we were promised that "I" was finally going
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> > >          to be on my way home. Why the hoopla over "these"
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> > >          folks? I was expecting some celebrity or sport
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> > >          figure to be the reason for the hold
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> > >          up.........Just get their butts in a seat and lets
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> > >          hit the gas I thought.
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> > >          The attendant came back on the speaker to announce
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> > >          in a loud and excited voice that we were being
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> > >          joined by several U. S. Marines returning home from
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> > >          Iraq!!! Just as they walked on board, the entire
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> > >          plane erupted into applause. The men were a bit
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> > >          taken by surprise by the 340 people cheering for
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> > >          them as they searched for their seats. They were
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> > >          having their hands shook and touched by almost
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> > >          everyone who was within an arm's distance of them as
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> > >          they passed down the aisle. One elderly woman kissed
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> > >          the hand of one of the Marines as he passed by her.
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> > >          The applause, whistles and cheering didn't stop for
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> > >          a long time.
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> > >          When we were finally airborne, "I" was not the only
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> > >          civilian checking his conscience as to the delays in
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> > >          "me" getting home, finding my easy chair, a cold
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> > >          beverage and the remote in my hand. These men had
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> > >         done for all of us and I had been complaining
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> > >          silently about "me" and "my" issues. I took for
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> > >          granted the everyday freedoms I enjoy and the
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> > >          conveniences of the American way of life I took for
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> > >          granted others paid the price for my ability to moan
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> > >          and complain about a few minutes delay to "me" those
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> > >          Heroes going home to their loved ones.
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> > >          I attempted to get my selfish outlook back in order
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> > >          and minutes before we landed I suggested to the
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> > >          attendant that she announce over the speaker a
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> > >          request for everyone to remain in their seats until
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> > >          our hero's were allowed to gather their things and
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> > >          be first off the plane. The cheers and applause
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> > >          continued until the last Marine stepped off and we
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> > >          all rose to go about our too often taken for granted
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> > >          everyday freedoms......... I felt proud of them. I
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> > >          felt it an honor and a privilege to be among the
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> > >          first to welcome them home and say Thank You for a
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> > >          job well done. I vowed that I will never forget
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> > >          that flight nor the lesson learned. I can't say it
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> > >          enough, THANK YOU to those Veterans and active
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> > >          servicemen and women who may read this and a prayer
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> > >          for those who cannot because they are no longer with
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> > >          us. GOD BLESS AMERICA! WELCOME HOME! AND THANKS
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> > >          FOR A JOB WELL DONE !!!!!
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> > >          This is a ribbon for soldiers fighting in Iraq.
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> > >          Pass it on to everyone and pray.
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> > >          Something good will happen to you tonight at 11:11
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> > >          PM. This is not a joke... Someone will either call
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> > >          you or will talk to you online and say that they
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> > >          love you. Do not break this chain.
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> > >          Send this to as many people as you can in the next
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> > >          15 minutes.
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> > >          Go.

I think if I was there I'd be cheering because they actually CAME HOME.  The poor guys have no choice in the matter as they are under orders.  As to a "job well done" - I have issues with that.  I wondered how many of the cheering people were Bushites who support Bush and his veteran cuts, so that the ones who come home on their back can't afford treatment. 

How do you all feel about this?

Enlightenment happens!  Attachment to the ego-self leads one into delusion; but faith in one's Buddha nature leads one to enlightenment.

Re: How are we supposed to feel?

I think we should make it clear that we do not support their actions.  I value them as human beings, but I cannot support what they do.  Nor do I feel compelled to offer them any comfort whatsoever in connection with their military duty.  They do have a choice albeit not a pleasant one, and even if they're duped into it or whatever, they still reap the consequences and must deal with it.

Re: How are we supposed to feel?

I am remindeed of a quote by Gurdjieff talking about soldiers
"If they woke up they would throw their guns away and go back home to their families"

There is so much conditioning that tells us to "support our soldiers" similar to emotional blackmail. I feel for them but like Soloflecks cannot support what they do in any way. By becoming a soldier you sign all rights away to ownership of your own body and mind and become a pawn of TPTB to be used as they see fit.
Still they are our brothers and sisters in light and maybe the universe has lessons for them by joining the army.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

Re: How are we supposed to feel?

First of all, this story looks completely contrived; propaganda. Secondly, I am glad you posted it. It is a good opportunity to get clear on my feelings about this kind of scenario as apart from how I may think. This kinda garbage kinda scares me because people can be so easily programmed to support obviously false premises. This war is not about our freedoms and therefore I cannot support it at all. Job well done, indeed. If you support total gov't control over our minds and the earth's resources. But, in reality most "soldiers" have no idea what they are really fighting for and the citizens have no idea what they are cheering for.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

Re: How are we supposed to feel?

But, in reality most "soldiers" have no idea what they are really fighting for and the citizens have no idea what they are cheering for.

Well said.

Enlightenment happens!  Attachment to the ego-self leads one into delusion; but faith in one's Buddha nature leads one to enlightenment.

Re: How are we supposed to feel?

It is contrived.   Another version of this was floating about several years ago right after 9/11, only that version took place in the airport, not on the plane.

Now, what was zonabi saying over in another thread about people "passing this crap along without even checking" ?   Exactly.  I don't know why, but it irks me for some reason.  Probably the obvious attempts to manipulate us I think, along with lying in general, and then people naively falling for it.   All peeves of mine.  sigh.  oh well.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: How are we supposed to feel?

Barefoot Doc wrote:

I am remindeed of a quote by Gurdjieff talking about soldiers
"If they woke up they would throw their guns away and go back home to their families"

There is so much conditioning that tells us to "support our soldiers" similar to emotional blackmail. I feel for them but like Soloflecks cannot support what they do in any way. By becoming a soldier you sign all rights away to ownership of your own body and mind and become a pawn of TPTB to be used as they see fit.
Still they are our brothers and sisters in light and maybe the universe has lessons for them by joining the army.

No doubt, so no judgement call. This kind of propaganda is a good excercise in discernment. Let's see what kinda B.S. we will fall for. I already fall for too much as it is.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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Re: How are we supposed to feel?

Isn't peace just grand, sleep in, lots of food, ganja, willing women, and free medicine. What's to fight about.  But it's somewhat obvious that some of us wouldn't lift a finger if the wolf was at the door. Academic elitism, cowardice, obese, stupid, mentally incompetent with evil issues, blame the victim on an international scale, or it's propaganda if our government says something, anything, and it's just the poor suffering truth if savage killers say anything else. Ain't nothing like being a savage killer, it's the worlds biggest rush. Sorta like an instant vacation with loud music and alcohol. And the world believes everything you say. Fear. Great stuff. Don't have to worry about reasonable men, they can be talked out of their children, and good men will usually do nothing about hate, violence, theocratic murder, pogroms, genocide and worse, cause after all the government is just lying. Bosnia was a lie wasn't it? Blasting Hindu relects with tank fire by the Taliban was just a goad. Iraqi money to Palestinian sucide bombers wasn't enough reason to hand Saddam his head. Violation of the 91 treaty wasn't anything to get so excited about. The entire region hasn't known peace in 400 years and maybe not again for another 400 years. Those people just don't like peace, do they? But the place has it's uses. Great place to practice war, imperilism and precise bombing on insurgents. They go to paradice and we get better at hitting the bulls eye. Lovely. But bloodletting is counter to enlightenment, and learning more about it is just insanity, so lets stop getting in over our heads with these people and come home and go surfing. ta

Re: How are we supposed to feel?

I guess I live under some delusion that people are "getting it" and waking up.  Then I get this kind of thing "out of the blue" from people who I thought knew what was going on. 

I wonder if this person expected me to reply and say "oh geez isn't that wonderful".  Matter of fact I DID reply but totally ignored the piece and asked a totally unrelated question. 

I didn't see the other one that Lyra mentioned after 9/11 so I didn't know about it.   

Well, I'm not surprised at the answers here....

Enlightenment happens!  Attachment to the ego-self leads one into delusion; but faith in one's Buddha nature leads one to enlightenment.

Re: How are we supposed to feel?

Sheesh wrote:

I guess I live under some delusion that people are "getting it" and waking up.  Then I get this kind of thing "out of the blue" from people who I thought knew what was going on. 

I wonder if this person expected me to reply and say "oh geez isn't that wonderful".  Matter of fact I DID reply but totally ignored the piece and asked a totally unrelated question. 

I didn't see the other one that Lyra mentioned after 9/11 so I didn't know about it.   

Well, I'm not surprised at the answers here....

Yah mon! Letter is BS. Where did it come from? My wife gets this kinda stuff all the time, or used to. She started filtering her mail for these kinda things. We were dumbfounded that the people we thought we knew actually bought this type of pseudo patriotic dung. We had alot of positive interactions with them. Makes me sad.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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Re: How are we supposed to feel?

Sheesh wrote:

I guess I live under some delusion that people are "getting it" and waking up.  Then I get this kind of thing "out of the blue" from people who I thought knew what was going on. 

I wonder if this person expected me to reply and say "oh geez isn't that wonderful".  Matter of fact I DID reply but totally ignored the piece and asked a totally unrelated question.

I think a lot of people just like to pass stuff along.  wink   Seroiusly.  Somebody talked about this before here at NR, can't remember who, but they were basically saying, paraphrase, that the more stuff they feel like passing along, the more they stop and actually don't do that....because in doing so, it becomes almost like a virus spreading around. 

Does anybody remember saying something like this??  I can't remember who it was, it's on the tip of my brain.  If this sounds familiar to anybody, pipe up!  big_smile


Sheesh wrote:

I didn't see the other one that Lyra mentioned after 9/11 so I didn't know about it.

Yeah, I can't be quite positiive, but I would swear to you I remember reading something near identical to the above email you posted, only it took place in the airport.  And I read it on Rense I think.   What tripped my memory was the part when it said, "people were cheering for them as they searched for their seats. They were having their hands shook and touched by almost everyone who was within an arm's distance of them as they passed down the aisle....."

In the version I remember which took place in the airport, the soldiers received the same level of attention - cheering, applause, stares, touches - and were humble and embarrased by the attention.  So that's what made me remember.

I swear, I think half of these heartwarming emotional jerkers that get passed around the 'net are contrived; people write them just to see them get passed around like this.  They probably have contests or something to see who can write the most emotional jerking one that can get the most circulation.  They grow into urban legend proporations and usually wind up on Snopes.com, the myth debunking website.

Anybody remember that one about Ugly the Cat?   I think somebody posted it here at NR last year.   IMO, another contrived emotional jerker that somebody wrote.  There's just no way it's true.

All I can suggest to people is to use intuition when reading these. The ones that are "off" will feel like they're just trying too damn hard.  Also, there's a lack of actual true details.   And a lack of an author's name.  And in this particular instance, we have the patriotic spin, designed to stir up positive emotions about our troops and their efforts abroad.  While I definitely don't advocate repeating the mistakes that happened with our troops after Vietnam - my dad was a Vietnam Vet, and it bothers me to think of how he had to sneak off the back of the plane in civilian clothes upon his arrival back home to avoid the war protestors camped out at the airports - (the story even choked up my MOM when she told me, and she's a heartless robot) on the other hand, there's nothing worse than manipulation with spin.  TPTB know that what we're doing in the Middle East is wrong, so don't put it past them to concoct stuff to manipulate our opinions on the matter and insert it into the grid any chance they can, which is another thing that could be going on here as well.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: How are we supposed to feel?

Lyra your absolutely right, the operative word is -concoct-. Manipulation begins in the home and ends on the negotiation table. The most dangerous form is the clever lie spread throuhout the truth. Being a heavily armed liberal is just so difficult these days. People won't let you into their homes! Its not that I understand rule, laws, and custom, it's just that breaking taboo is on the cutting edge of truth. Going out to see the splatter is not allowed. Knowing where the manipulation begins and ends is damm near impossible unless your the manipulator. The recoil of creation is messy. With so many sides to consider, so many takes on ethics, only so much planet to pulverize, it really is a wonder that any of us are still asking for the truth.

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Re: How are we supposed to feel?

Did any one notice the time of when u would hear some sort of reply, this Number ( 11:11) has shown its face again! Any ideas!?

Is this Number part of it all, as so many of you say it pops into your lives quite a number of times where i can say its something ive actually never noticed. If you still see these numbers maybe you are still not free enough in your minds to get past old ways of thinking, whats been in you since day dot.
In ways you may not notice, you are still being controlled!
Free yourselves through yourselves, its the only way!

"Life's not meant to be a struggle" Stuart Wilde
We are one and the same on a different path to the same destination

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Re: How are we supposed to feel?

More heroes to be celebrated?

http://www.counterpunch.org/cloughley07132005.html

More US War Crimes
Cold Blooded Murders in Iraq
By BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

The news about the ambassador of Iraq to the UN revealing that US Marines murdered his cousin on June 25 has been swamped by cover of the terrorist bombings in London. The scale of the atrocities cannot be compared, but the moral difference is that the bombings were carried out by demented criminals while the murder was committed by people in uniform who are supposed to be exercising, abiding by, and illustrating by personal example, the laws of democratic societies.

Ambassador Samir Sumaidaie is a Sunni Muslim and a supporter of the United States - although he might be a little less enthusiastic, now - and after he described the killing (first reported in The Times of London, and not by US media), the US military said his account "roughly corresponds to an incident involving coalition forces on that day in that general location." Then Major General Stephen T Johnson pronounced "We take these allegations seriously and will thoroughly investigate this incident to determine what happened". And a spokesman for the acting US ambassador to the UN, Anne Patterson, "expressed her heartfelt condolences" to Mr Sumaidaie.

Would there have been a statement by a two star general about the killing if the man who had been murdered wasn't cousin of a prominent person known to be a supporter of the United States? And would there have been condolences from the US ambassador to the UN if the murdered man had been an ordinary Iraqi?

In a pig's valise there would. The whole thing would have been just another incident. Only another unreported killing of an inferior "haji raghead" by military barbarians who have forgotten anything they ever knew about acting as human beings.

Nobody knows how many of these atrocities are committed, because the people killed are not cousins of the Iraqi ambassador to the UN. Bombings in London are important news, and justifiably so, because they are detestable and committed by anarchistic lunatics; but casual murders of Iraqis are treated as trivial incidents that do not merit reports (never mind condemnation) in the US media. All the Iraqis who have been murdered by US troops just disappear into nothing. It is, as the Apocrypha has it, "as if they had never been born" - except to their bereft and grieving families, naturally. And if their families are not related to an important Iraqi who has been a valuable ally of the United States they don't receive apologies and promises of thorough investigations.

Not that anything happens, anyway, after "investigations". A US Marine can murder a defenseless, wounded, semi-conscious prisoner, with the whole atrocity recorded on video to the horror of the entire world except the blood-loving maniacs of the Cheney-Bush Support Club, and be confident there will be no action taken against him. We are living in what will be known in history footnotes as the Era of Legalized Atrocities.

The weeping families of Iraq must bear their pain alone. There is no publicity for the countless stricken women whose husbands and sons have been murdered, and no expression of "condolences" by clever, elegantly dressed, high mucky-mucks from air-conditioned suites on another planet. There is little wonder the mourning families and their friends detest Americans. There is every reason, in their minds, for them to encourage others to join the guerrillas.

Here is the Ambassador's account of the murder, as reported by Associated Press:

"Mohammed [al-Sumaidaie, his cousin], an engineering student at the University of Technology in Baghdad, was visiting his family in the village of Al-Shaikh Hadid when the Marines knocked on the door, the ambassador said. The young man rushed to open the door and greeted the group of about 10 Marines and an interpreter who appeared to be Egyptian pleasantly, "happy to exercise some of his English," said [Ambassador Sumaidaie]. The Marines asked if there were any weapons, and Mohammed said there was a rifle, which only had blanks . . . He then led some of the Marines into his father's bedroom where it was kept. His father, the local headmaster, was at school. A short time later, his mother, brothers and sisters who were kept in the living room heard a thud but they were generally relaxed because they had nothing to hide, and, "they thought, [had] nothing to fear". But later a younger brother, Ali, was dragged by the hair into the corridor by a Marine and was beaten. The mother started sobbing. A Marine then went out and returned with a camera and went into the bedroom. After a while, the family went outside and waited on the porch as they were ordered, the ambassador said. More than an hour later, as the soldiers were leaving, the interpreter asked the mother in Arabic if that was her son inside. When she replied "yes", the interpreter said, "they killed him!". "The mother let [out] a deafening cry of anguish, but the Marines were smiling at each other as they were leaving," [Ambassador Sumaidaie] said. "In the bedroom, Mohammed was found dead and laying in a clotted pool of his blood. A single bullet had penetrated his neck."

"The Marines were smiling at each other as they were leaving." Great. Just another Haji raghead gone to Paradise. Kills for thrills? Who knows? All that we know is that the boy was murdered. What was the camera for? Do these people get kicks out of taking photographs of murder? Why the smiles? Above all; why the smiles?

The spokesman for the acting US ambassador to the UN, Anne Patterson, "expressed her heartfelt condolences" to Mr Sumaidaie, but it would have been better if the fragrant and tender-hearted Ms Patterson had offered condolences in person (or at least not by medium of a PR dummy) to the mother of the murdered boy. That wouldn't cross her mind, and it shows us the thinking of these inane, pompous, plastic people; if you are not important you don't deserve condolences. Grieving mothers are dross and can be ignored but ambassadors whose cousins are murdered must be given sympathy. That's the mindset of the trash who prosper on planet Cheney-Bush.

The evil suicide bombers who now kill Iraqis (and every week kill many more than were killed in London) are spin-off results of the wide insurrection against US forces whose actions following their invasion were those of conquerors rather than liberators. The illegal invasion was followed by an occupation conducted with triumphal savagery that rapidly created violent reaction. Once it became "them and us" to the US occupation force, so their brutality increased. Then more and more Iraqis began to support the guerrillas fighting against the troops who broke into their houses at midnight and behaved with sadistic cruelty and violence.

The destruction of Fallujah town was a blatant war crime. It is verging on the incredible that in the 21st Century a civilized nation would order its armed forces to reduce most of a town to rubble and deliberately create 300,000 refugees in their own country. It was malevolent vengeance that led to the obliteration of Fallujah. There are countless Marines and soldiers who believe their brutality in Iraq is justified by the 9/11 tragedies because they think they are taking righteous revenge for America being attacked.

So long as America has public figures like Representative Robin Hayes (R- NC), there will be no shortage of true believers that the war on Iraq was warranted because Saddam Hussein, according to Hayes, was "very much involved in 9/11".

Hayes was interviewed on June 29 by CNN's Carol Costello, who noted that "there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected in any way with al Qaeda". But Hayes disagreed with the entire body of evidence that shows Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with al Qaeda. No stone has been left unturned by the Cheney-Bush administration to try to obtain something - anything - that might possibly link Saddam Hussein with 9/11, but they haven't managed to do that, because there was no link whatever.

Congressman Hayes is, almost unbelievably, Vice Chairman of the Armed Services Terrorism Subcommittee. When Carol Costello stated "But there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected in any way with al Qaeda" Hayes replied;

"Ma'am, I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. There is evidence everywhere. We get access to it. Unfortunately others don't. But the evidence is very clear."

Costello: What evidence is there?

Hayes: The connection between individuals who are connected to Saddam Hussein, folks who worked for him. We've seen it time and time again. But the issues are; where are we now? Nobody disputes 9/11. They would do that again, if not prevented. Preventing 9/11 wherever it might happen in America, winning the war overseas, not bringing it here to our shores is the issue in this regard.

Costello: Are you saying that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11?

Hayes: I'm saying that Saddam Hussein - and I think you're losing track of what we are talking about here - Saddam Hussein and his people and people like him were very much involved in 9/11. Did he make a phone call [trails off. . . ]

Costello: There's no evidence of that.

Hayes: I'm sorry, you haven't looked in the right places.

Costello: I must not have. Because I know of no evidence connecting Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden or al Qaeda.

Hayes is obviously in need of therapy and counseling. But he is far from being the only American who firmly believes, contrary to all evidence, that Iraq's former leader was responsible for 9/11. Millions of Americans believe this absurdity. It is amazing that such a fool can be influential; but there are plenty of people who want to be fooled all of the time. He spreads the totally false notion, heartily endorsed by Cheney, that Iraq was an active supporter of the 9/11 attacks, so it isn't surprising that this sort of rubbish is believed by soldiers and Marines, and that their belief results in vengeful brutality and the killing of people who only want to be get on with what lives are left to them in the chaos that Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush have created in Iraq..


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News report:

"The International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) is calling on the United States to investigate three new cases of journalists killed in Iraq over the past week - all of them at the hands of American soldiers. The IFJ in a statement noted that this brings to 17 the number of journalists and media staff killed by US soldiers since the invasion of Iraq. "All of these cases need to be investigated independently because they involve reports of action by US troops," said Aidan White, IFJ General Secretary. "We expect the United States to produce credible and exhaustive reports on all of these deaths. It is the least the family, friends and colleagues of the victims expect."

No chance of that, Mr White. So far as the US is concerned, the three men killed last week were just foreign ragheads who didn't have cousins in high places. One of the journalists was killed by a single round fired by a US sniper, which was plain murder of an unarmed innocent man. But the killer will never be brought to justice. The only 'justice' in Iraq is that dispensed by the US occupation force which is specifically excluded from obedience to Iraqi and international law. Nobody knows on what terms a US soldier can kill an Iraqi civilian. The 'Rules of Engagement' are secret.

Iraq is the exemplar of Bush paranoia, where, in the words of the president of the world's most prominent democracy, "I want justice, and there's an old poster out West that says, 'Wanted; Dead or Alive'." That is Bush justice, in which presumption of innocence is irrelevant. If someone is judged to be guilty by the executioner -- then kill him. So it is understandable that his troops behave in the way they do. They are out of control.

(There is a similar disaster in Afghanistan where the slaughter of over a dozen civilians by B-52 bombers on July 1 was called "a very unfortunate situation" by the military. The spokesman said "Our military is second to none in the care that it takes to target those who are fighting against our US forces and avoid any civilian casualties or collateral damage." No "heartfelt condolences" about the women and children who were blasted to bits by six tons of bombs that landed on their tiny hamlet. But then they are just anonymous ragheads who don't have a relative who is their country's ambassador to the UN. And the bomber crew won't be losing sleep over their atrocity.)

The warped and horrible Alberto Gonzales, Attorney General to Cheney-Bush and eager advocate of torture, paid a quick visit to Baghdad on July 3 and declared; "There are still some high-level crimes, murders and kidnappings that are not being prosecuted. One reason is that the evidence is not available." He was of course referring to crimes committed by insurgents. This disgusting approximation of a human being, who considers Bush can endorse torture because he is not bound by the Geneva Conventions, ignores the fact that US occupation troops have committed crimes "that are not being prosecuted", even when there is undeniable video evidence of a deliberate murder.

As new and even worse-trained US soldiers are sent to Iraq, and as others arrive for their second and third tours, desensitized and cynical and even more murderously inclined, the situation will deteriorate further. The credibility of the occupation force is zero, and the guerrillas are gaining more recruits. There will be more murders by US troops, and more lies told about them. There will be initial refusal to acknowledge that murders have taken place, and then there will be arrogant justification of them by rabid lunatics. Shakespeare wrote that "Truth will come to light; murder cannot be hid long". But Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld and their cronies are succeeding in the aim of concealing truth and disguising cold-blooded murder.

Brian Cloughley writes on military and political affairs. He can be reached through his website www.briancloughley.com

Re: How are we supposed to feel?

I don't support the war but I'd be the first one in line to cheer and applaud troops returning home from Iraq. The fact of the matter is that these troops are defenders of America, and just because Bush sent them to Iraq doesn't change my opinion of them.