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To the question, "What is your favorite conspiracy movie?"  I reply: JFK.

I don't mind writing about the basic plot outline because if you don't yet know it, I suggest that you might enjoy learning about it.

The movie focuses on a conspiracy to assassinate JFK which involved more than a "lone gunman."  The movies covers various groups who might want to have killed JFK and then how it was very unlikely that a lone gunman acting without help could have fired all the shots which ended up killing JFK.

The movie was based on two books and one of them was the book "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs.  I met Jim Marrs at a conference and my impression of him is that his is smart, funny, and has integrity. 

A deeper issue which I don't think that the movie addresses directly is not whether more than one person shot at JFK.  A deeper issue relates to: If more than one person shot at JFK, then that information and perspective was systematically covered up by people at the highest levels of government over a period of decades.  In fact, that cover up exists to the present day. 

What does it mean if certain people (I'm not saying everyone), but certain people in the FBI, the Department of Justice, and other government branches covered this up?  I think it means that there is corruption at the highest levels of government.  Which should not be a surprise to students of history and political science.

So, anyway, I liked this movie.

2 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-05-22 19:14:04)

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Hi wandering1,

I'm currently making my way through Jim Marrs' excellent book, "Rule By Secrecy."   So far I've been very impressed with him, he's intelligent, a fantastic writer, and you learn a lot when you read his books.   I definately recommend everybody take a look at "Rule By Secrecy".

As far as JFK goes, this was definately covered in Rule By Secrecy, since it's one of the biggest conspiracy coverups in modern history.   There's so much going on with this topic, where does one even begin......I just know there's absolutely no way in hell that the story is what they told everybody it is.   I haven't seen the movie JFK, I've only read about it from sources such as David Icke, Jim Marrs, and others.

Some things I've learned about this whole deal, and which seem correct to me:

-  One reason JFK was offed because he was against US involvement in Vietnam and was in the process of getting us out of there.   The Powers That be wanted us in.    So, "conflict of interest", you could say. 

-  He was also a threat to the Federal Reserve, and was going to do away with that as well.   The Powers That Be wanted a Federal Reserve and wanted to devalue the dollar over the long haul, paving the way for what's to come in terms of a cashless society.   So, "conflict of interest" you could say.    The year after his assassination, 1964, was the last year we were on the Silver Standard.   The Feds did away with it and by 1965, our money was backed by absolutely nothing, and has been in that state ever since.    Exactly the way they intended.   

-  Lee Harvey Oswald may have pulled a trigger, but he wasn't the only one.   Apparantly, JFK's driver turned around and shot him in the head as well, to help insure he would die.  Thing is, this part is cut out of the video we have all seen of his assasination.   The video supposedly "jumps" this scene, and you're supposed to be able to see the editing involved.   I can't verify it, but it sounds intriging enough to investigate if anybody out there has access to the assassination video somehow.

-  If Lee Harvey Oswald was involved as one of the gunmen, it's in my belief that he was mindcontrolled, a "Manchurian Candidate", if you will.   Same with Sirhan Sirhan, assaassin of RFK.    In Jim Keith's interesting book, "Encyclodpedia of Mind Control" he has a chapter devoted to Sirhan Sirhan, and lists all the symptoms he had of being a mind control manchurian candidate.  (Jim Keith is an excellent writer on the subject of mind control, implants, and the like, and has written another good book called "Mind Control, World Control."   He has since been killed.)


All I can say is that NO political assassination is EVER just the act of a lone gunman gone beserk with an agenda.  Hell no.  Ronald Reagan............assassination attempt by John Hinkly Jr..............friend of the Bush family, whose brother had actually eaten dinner the night before the assassination over at the Bush's.   Bush was VP and was supposed to be the real president, and had to ride Reagan's coattails into the White House because he wouldn't have won on his own.   So they used a popular actor and former governor to get him in, then tried to off him so Bush, the real intended president, could step up.   You could almost say it was like the hand of God that came down that day and prevented the bullet from being one inch closer to Reagan's heart.   Wasn't meant to be for ol' Bush.  Not in the cards.  But he supposedly was the real person behind the presidency for those 8 years, not Reagan, so he got his way in the end anyway.

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Re: JFK

Yes, I think that planning to get the US out of Vietnam and bypassing the Federal Reserve by issuing cash through the US Treasury were two of the major reasons that some people wanted to get rid of JFK.

I'm sure there are several other reasons as well. 

One reason which I cannot reference or verify but I nevertheless find interesting is that JFK apparently learned of the ET/UFO coverup and he stated his intentions to let the American people know about it.

A bunch of people were around Jim Marrs at a conference after he have a talk and he was signing books.  I heard him say that first they try to go after your information, but in his case he had researched his various books so well that they could not find fault there.

Then he said that they try to attack your character.  He said that he had lived a pretty clean life so they couldn't find much there to attack.

Finally, he said, they just try to ignore you and hope that you don't get much media attention.

Of course, there are more negative options out there, but hopefully those are only used in the most extreme of situations.  I think that the harmful effect of attacks can be minimized by living with wisdom and spiritual resilience.

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James Shelby Downard had an interesting take on JFK's assassination entitled "King Kill 33". A google search will bring it up. I won't make any statement about his treatise, rather you read it and decide whether Downard is nuts or not.

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Another interesting thing I just remembered regarding JFK's assassination (aaron's mention of "33" reminded me...)  concerns the ritual circumstances with his death which David Icke talked about in "The Biggest Secret".  Everything from the date (11 / 22 - master esoteric numbers) the pyramid shape of Dealy plaza, to the "eternal flame" on his grave, which is a major Illuminati symbol (can also be found in the the Amoco oil logo, the Statue of Liberty, the *Columbia* pictures logo, and more.......)  There's more stuff, I'll have to look it up when I get home and have access to the book.   But when you read what Icke says, it becomes apparant that even the date / time / location of the assassination was carefully chosen to double as sacrificial symbolism.

Some may think that this all has no real relevance to us, or our modern times, but I think it does, for this reason:    When you have the knowledge of esoteric / occult / Masonic - Illuminati symbolisms then you see and notice more around you in life than would the average person.   Suddenly, that gas station logo on the corner isn't just a triangle or a flame or a star in circle -  no, now they're pyramids, eternal flames and pentagrams.   Takes on a whole new meaning.   So with that in mind, one can now look closer at some of the political / every day events taking place around us, notice the occultic / esoteric / Masonic symbolisms surrounding the events, and thus see through the official story.

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Hi,

What do you think is the purpose of the symbology?

Is it because this is supposed to be a "Freewill" universe and thus the "powers that be" are obliged to announce their intentions???, albeit in a covert manner which could also be argued as being overt because it is in plain sight.

or

Is it because the symbology activates certain inherent processess within our subconcious that the surface mind is not aware of?

If so what are those processes or what could they be?

Are there any other theories and thoughts on the purpose of this symbology?

Warm regards

JT

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Hi JT,

I think both of your ideas have validity.  I think they have to announce what they're doing, this way, should we continue to accept their presense in this reality and their actions, well, that's our decision.   They've made it perfectly clear what they're up to, so it's nobody's fault but our own when we fail to see it and turn the other way and allow them to continue treating us the way they are.

Also, I think the "people" responsible for the warring, money control, political manuevers, assassinations, etc. have that reptilian element going on.   With the reptilian element comes the need for ritual.   Everything they do smacks of ritual and symbolism, to the point of obsessiveness in the matter.   It's actually quite fascinating when you take a closer look and see the level to which they take it.   NASA uses tons of symbolisms in their space flights, from numbers to symbols to latitude/longitude landing locations, etc.   It's fascinating, like I said.

And then there's the whole "Matrix Control System" program grid reality element going on, where, due to the nature of the illusion we live in, events seem to "line up", and multiple layers of symbolism can be detected within events.   

A good website to further explore this whole concept is www.goroadachi.com.   For those who are not familiar with Goro's work, he runs a website devoted to sleuthing out the symbolisms embedded within the events that happen in our reality.   Also the work of David Icke and his "Symbolisms Archive" located on his website is a good place to go.  www.davidicke.com

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