1 Topic by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-04-02 21:26:23)

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Topic: 2004 to 2012 trends

Hello everyone,
I am interested in the broad picture of what people see happening over the next few years.  First, I will start from the persepctive of "official science" and say that there is abundant evidence concerning human population growth and human demands on local, regional, and global ecosystems that lead to fraying of these systems.  Due to this fraying, there is a real possibility of rapid environmental/social/economic deterioration in the next few decades and possibly within the next few years.

So this possibility is not just based on "intuitive" personal insights.  That being said, I am interested in information and perspective that we can get from intuitive insights as I see real limitations in what can be predicted based on rational thinking and modeling alone.

I heard Sean David Morton on the Jan. 31, 2004 edition of Coast to Coast.  For those of you who do not know about Coast to Coast it is a radio show hosted by Art Bell and George Noory which I consider to be an interesting resource.  The link is www.coasttocoastam.com and for $6.95 a month you can access the past three months of shows via the internet.

So Sean David Morton is known as an intuitive who has apparently had a successful track record predicting such things as earthquakes and stock market trends.  He said that he expects the stock market to take a dip in Sep/Oct 2004 and then as an overall trend continue a bull run-up through the summer of 2005 which is followed by a major downturn in Sep/Oct 2005 which is connected to a major economic downturn during the same period. 

So these are my questions:
Do people know what we can expect in the next few years?

Are there sources, such as interpreting regional, global, solar system, and galactic cycles that can give us insight into what we can expect during the upcoming period?

Does anyone know anything in specific about Sean David Morton?  His web site is http://www.delphiassociates.org/   Is he credible?  Has his "successful prediction rate" really been as good as some people seem to claim?

Any input will be appreciated.

Many thanks,
John

2 Reply by IlikeIcke

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

I would expect an economic downturn soon, but you don't have to be an "intuitive" to make such claims, rather just study your current economic systems and trends, as well as the fact that a cashless society is on board. 

As for the "official science," for every negative report you can find, there's about five positive ones. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.  These are all just predictions.

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

I agree that nobody really knows what is going to happen, it is all just predictions.  Also,
I do not consider it a blazing discovery when I say that there is possibility for a significant economic downturn within the next few years.  What I am trying to do is see if it is possible to develop some of the more likely overall scenarios.

It may even be possible to flesh out possible scenarios and perhaps even tie them to  specific timelines. 

So I see a few overall possibilities for ways to look into what might happen in the future:
1. Nobody knows what is going to happen so there is not point in trying.
2. We can build models and scenarios based on strictly rational thinking which is based in rock solid proof.
3. We can build models and scenarios which include intuitive insights.
4. We can build models and scenarios which integrate rational thinking backed up by evidence with nuances and perspectives available from intuitive insight.

Personally, I like possibility #4, and I do understand and respect that not everyone shares that perspective.

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

The matrix will start to break down... and everything will be presented in its true form.  Here's a good example:

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/2002091452/www.wired.com/news/images/full/lego-car_f.jpg

                                                 ^_^

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

Okay, I say you CAN know what will happen, you can predict as has been done by famous people for many years. By researching and discrerning the truth you can find out!

One prediction I would DEFINITELY consider as being actively planned by those in control (NWO etc.) would be that of the rumored coming NWO takeover of the Uninted States. A SERIOUS consideration would be the general consensus that there are PREPARED CONCENTRATION CAMPS amassed HERE IN OUR STATES equiped with the 'infamous 100,000+ CHAINED RAILCARS' presumed to be in waiting.

Anyone familiar?

I am as is Void.
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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

I'm familiar.  You mention "chained railcars".  Is that railcars with chains to chain the people inside them?  Like might be used to transport prisoners?  Or does it refer to something else?

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

Yes, Wandering, you're on the right TRACK

haha . . . ok

Seriously, you will know the matrix is breaking down when NATO, UN, and foreign troops are called on to enforce MARTIAL LAW in America. My information is that this takeover is IMMENENT.

9-11 The Road to Tyranny (by Alex Jones) already covered 'Operation Urban Warrior' in Oakland, California where US military trained in integration with foreign troops WHILE PRACTICING TO HERD US CITIZENS INTO 'CAMPS'. The military/police loud speaker is clearly heard saying 'please [continue] so that we may process you into the camp faster' etc.

I've also read about the planned sweeps rounding up weapons, etc.

Wandering, do you know anyone personally who can vouch for the existence of the camps or railcars? You will find lists of locations online . . .

I am as is Void.

8 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-09-03 21:48:05)

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

I have already seen pictures online of what may be camps.  I do not know of anyone personally, but I don't think that is really a contested issue about whether these camps exist.  After all, all you really need is empty buildings.  In Arizona, you don't even need that as part of the prison system that is currently in use is called "Tent City."

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

So when the Matrix breaks down, everything turns into Lego blocks? Very interesting, I always liked Lego as a kid.

On a more serious note, there are some pictures of an Austin FEMA Facility on the c0balt forum (c0balt focuses more on the "land of the living area" of conspiracies, i.e. the less bizarre stuff). The Austin FEMA Facility is probably just one of many FEMA's "vacation spots".

10 Reply by Xenopope (edited by Xenopope 2004-09-04 12:39:17)

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

Vacation spots?! OH boy. I won't touch that one!

with all I've read about the D.U.M.B.s (Deep Underground Military Bases) that are literally SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT THE GLOBE LIKE SAND and now with the FEMA 'camps', it's just too much.

The general consensus is that these camps will be used to nullify the few left over who would be resistant to a NWO takeover. This would ammount to some ~15 million Americans. But I thought, with the underground network of cities underground, couldn't they just herd folks underground, never to be seen from again?

I'm not a 'doom-and-gloomer', but I would not deny the existence of these camps expecially in light of what the Nazi Germans did to their 'nemesis'. The NWO elite are publicly admitted to view most of the worlds population as cattle and plan a global depopulation plan.

Maybe one of the most profound things that will happen (when the matrix breaks down) is that we will regain a genetic memory of where we are from, our true spiritual nature, and where we are going. I hear that this 'DNA trigger' will occur sometime during the time leading up to 2012.

I am as is Void.

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

Dear Friends
kind regards
I feel that Wandering1's subject thread was abandoned too quickly.
I think that we need to discuss this subject a bit more.
The UK Government has announced that they will soon bring in new laws to arrest and imprison people on suspicion of terrorism.
Furthermore a UK version of the C.I.A is being launched.
That sounds a bit dodgy and yet confirms what conspiracy theorists have said.
The USA has become a police state, the middle east war isn't ending and the War in Iraq looks like its never going to end.
The possibility of a nuclear war between the U.S.A and Iran/Russia and China probably happen sooner or later.
The possibility of millions or billions being killed is enormous and its not exclusive to the third World countries it even includes the U.S.A and the E.U.
The U.S.A is apparently destined to be sunk and perhaps the E.U will either rise as a Superpower or fall with them.
Yet on the other hand a global transformation is set to occur in 2012 in which human consciousness evolves and we receive DNA changes.
I think that this column should be continually updated with information as things related to this thread subject is happening almost daily.
Anymore views on what will occur between now and 2012 would be interesting to hear.
yours thankfully
John

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

Extreme weather.  Fuel shortages.  Civil war in the US.  NWO.

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

Why do so many people think something big is going to happen in 2012?

One thing about the New World Order is that they obviously don't have a plan to simply wipe out the population as they could easily have done that on a much grander scale already. So I don't think we're ever going to have a nuclear way. If there are people planning for a NWO then I think the only logical explanation is that they want a world where it is more easy to control people and stop them realising their spiritual nature. And the signs I see say that's not going to happen - more and more people are realising.

14 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-12-01 00:33:37)

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

Adam wrote:

Why do so many people think something big is going to happen in 2012?

One thing about the New World Order is that they obviously don't have a plan to simply wipe out the population as they could easily have done that on a much grander scale already.

For me, it's partially intuitive and partially based on research.  According to some sources, the Mayan and Incan people placed importance on 2012.  I know people who have worked with shamans in Ecuador and Peru over several decades and these people have mentioned a "higher vibration" that is underway.

As far as the idea of that the NWO is not going to wipe out a lot of people because they would have done so already, I refer you to World War I and World War II.  In terms of wiping out even greater numbers of people and putting in place more overt control systems, I suggest that the NWO/Illuminati/Negative Alien agenda may be heavily centered around a possible upcoming shift. 

In order words, they are waiting to implement major parts of their plan until the final years before the shift.  They are acting on a time schedule that they see as being to their advantage.  If many people are expecting "business and life as usual" then they will likely be caught unaware when major changes occur.  There are references in various sources to the final 7 years before the culmination of the shift as a period of upheaval or tribulation.

If you are really interested, I suggest the C's transcripts, as well as the following books: Bringers of the Dawn, The Mayan Factor, and Are We Living in the End Times?

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Re: 2004 to 2012 trends

Adam wrote:

Why do so many people think something big is going to happen in 2012?


Adam,

The calendar of the Mayan native Americans ends on December 21, 2012 and marks the time of a rare celestial alignment.  That's the origin of all the talk about 2012.  For more details, just Google for "mayan 2012" or something like that and you'll find plenty of information.

wandering1 wrote:

There are references in various sources to the final 7 years before the culmination of the shift as a period of upheaval or tribulation.

2012 - 7 = 2005.  Interesting as it looks like 2005 may be the year where the US will kick it's military operations into higher gear with the new draft. That fits.