Court Strikes a Blow Against Freedom Online (Page 1 of 2)

I don't think people will put a stop to this.

Last night I went round my parents, as soon as I walked in the door, my Dad was "baiting" me about ID cards...(literally, I hadn't even had a chance to say "hello" - quite crazy).  Anyway I didn't realise what was going on initially and got drawn into his rant.

He believes that all information, data and everything a person does should be readily available on a massive database for anyone to look up.  That this should also include all members of the government and any other agencies - the idea being that once this happens people could no longer get away with corrupt behaviour.

A naive idea really - because someone has to control it all don't they?  He felt "the people" wouldn't allow it to get out of hand.  But how do you ensure this…and how do you ensure you have got “everyone”  on the database?

Anyway, this is an extreme example – but it contains a relevant point to this topic.  I suspect a lot of people will be against the idea of controlled Internet access, but ultimately they will be swamped under the "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" accusations.  After all - why does anyone need to look at strange sites like Montalk, and why would anyone want to discuss issues relating to Control Systems, or Aliens or transdimensional beings.  It's all fiction isn't it?  And if people believe it is real - well it is better if they can't spread their delusions any further.  And that is honestly how I think people will look at all this.

After all - what do the majority of people use the Internet for nowadays?  Looking for porn is probably number 1 on the list - 2nd is probably buying from online shops...and after that looking for gossip on the "super stars", reading the news, and looking for ring-tones and music and the like.

So in that list the only people that have anything to worry about are the porn searchers.

People that use the true power of the Internet, for researching and learning really are in the minority of all the millions and millions (billions?) of Internet users...

Shame - but over the course of the next 5 years - I think the Internet has had it.  It as been allowed to evolve freely until it permeated every aspect it possibly could.  Now everyone is caught up in it they have begun to spring the trap.

Same happened with Google - a small group of people developing one of the best Internet services ever devised.  Once millions of people fell into the position of relying on it - the trap was sprung, the money men came in - and the whole thing has been censored and controlled...without so much as a whimper.

The controls will get worse and worse.  But eventually people will rebel against it - it's just a matter of time, and things probably won't be much fun in the mean time...

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" I love the irrational logic that the government spouts about. If people could use latteral thinking, they could see how stupid that logic is.

Perhaps this might be some useful ammo for those useful idiots who say if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide. Simple-minded cretins! grrrrrrrrrr...

Jun. 30, 2005. 01:00
Data protection ended on 9/11, Mountie says
All intelligence shared with U.S. Safeguards fell,

Arar inquiry told

MICHELLE SHEPHARD
STAFF REPORTER

OTTAWA–In the panic after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the RCMP dropped all normal safeguards on sharing intelligence and went to extraordinary lengths to give information to U.S. authorities, a senior Mountie says.

Databases and copies of hard drives of computers seized from suspects were handed over to U.S. officials, and Canadian investigators gave presentations to joint intelligence meetings.

It was part of what the RCMP called Project Shock, a country-wide search for terrorists that allowed Canadian investigators to work hand in hand with the United States.

Information flowed freely, with no privacy or jurisdictional conditions. In police lingo, this was known as a state of "caveats are down."

It was within this climate, described yesterday for the first time by Superintendent Michel Cabana, that Maher Arar became part of an Ottawa-based terrorism investigation known as A O Canada. "We had to share all information with these agencies, without any delays," Cabana testified. "The way it was described to us is, you're working hand in hand with people now and when you're working in partnership with agencies, caveats don't apply."

It has already been revealed that the RCMP shared information with the United States concerning Arar, but yesterday's testimony revealed just how closely they were linked to the FBI and CIA at the time.

Cabana said the work was not like a criminal investigation, "where normally you know what you're looking for. In this case here we knew there was something, but we didn't know what we were looking for."

Cabana was forced to testify to the Arar inquiry about his role as the head of this investigation after his appeal to be excluded from appearing publicly was turned down by the inquiry's head, Justice Dennis O'Connor.

The inquiry is examining how Canadian officials were involved in Arar's case.

Arar, now 34, was detained during a stopover at New York's Kennedy airport as he tried to return to Canada on Sept. 26, 2002. After 12 days in custody as a suspected terrorist, he says he was sent to Syria, tortured for two weeks and held in jail for a year without charges.

While the RCMP was notified that Arar would be denied entry in the United States an hour before he even arrived in New York, once Arar was in custody, the Mounties were largely kept in the dark, Cabana said.

On Oct. 8, 2002, the RCMP was still discussing a visit to New York to question Arar along with their U.S. counterparts when the Canadian engineer was already on his way to Syria.

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Just Google Maher Arar's name and see what this poor man went through thanks to "shared intelligence" !!!

I have a friend putting together an article about how to set up or use a BBS, which will go up on the NR front page when ready. Some of you know all about them. BBS's are bulletin board systems, you use your computer modem to dial into another computer hosting some text files to download. These files can be news, articles, whatever. It was the prevalent means of information sharing prior to the internet. And it may become again if the internet gets yanked or restricted beyond hope. As long as the phone lines work, BBSs will work. So I'm entirely interested in setting one up and having people get familiar with them, so that we have a backup if needed. Thankfully our modems today are pretty fast and long distance is cheaper than it used to be.

Here's a good article on the coming internet restrictions and what can be done to try and stop this from happening.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/0 … 05238.html

Can someone please inform clearly what is the governemnts reason for wanting control over the internet?

""By upholding the FCC's March 2002 Declaratory Ruling that classified cable Internet as an unregulated "information service," ""

Oh right so everything that is unregulated must be regulated...

Those two ads are currently being shown in cinemas across the UK. Both played (with other ads sandwiched between them) before the start of Munich last week.