Topic: Comparing "1984" to today

Hey all,

I'm sure that many here have read the George Orwell (Eric Blair) classic, "1984."  Like Jen mentioned on another thread recently, (paraphrasing)  it's surprising, and lucky in a way, that despite everything that's going on today we still have access to material like this.  I guess TPTB figure that hardly anybody is reading it anymore anyway, and those who do probably believe it's only fiction.

Since this book hasn't made it onto "Oprah's Book Club" list yet, (cough, gag, choke) I thought I'd take a moment to highlight some parts of the book that accurately mirror much of what we see around us today. I just know that I've been finding myself repeatedly mumbling to myself lately that "We are in '1984' !"  So, why not pull it off my shelf, dust it off, and review it again to see.  The following list runs the gambit from the obvious ("Big Brother Is Watching You") to the more subtle material buried throughout the novel.   It isn't all inclusive, but it's the highlights.  Feel free to add on whatever you feel is relevant, or anything I may have missed.  And if you haven't read the book yet and don't own it....well, what are you waiting for??  Go get yourself a copy today!  smile



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Victory Mansions - Where Winston Smith lives.  I liked how it's this big soaring name full of positive connotations in order to try to mask the truth.   Look around and start noticing the use of misleading positive words and descriptions in our culture to contradict stuff that is ugly and oppressive, (or just to manipulate us in general, usually to stir up patriotism).  There is also "Victory Gin" and "Victory Cigarettes."

Big Brother is Watching You! - In the book, Big Brother is the controlling force behind society, and it is always watching, all the time.   Surveillance is the name of the game in "1984."  Notice this starting to creep up on us now?  Not only in America, but most notably in England, which apparently is now the most-watched nation in the world, with over 300 cameras filming the streets of London alone.

The Party  The government who runs everything on behalf of Big Brother.  They are the "elite", and are given more freedoms and privileges then the general population, known as the Proles. The difference between both groups is like night and day.

The Proles  The general population who do not work for the government / Big Brother.  The party believes that "The proles are not human beings."  "In reality very little was known about the proles.  It was not necessary to know much.   So long as they continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance."  "Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer, and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds.  To keep them in control was not difficult...it was not desirable that the proles should have strong political feelings.   All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism which could be appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them accept longer working hours or shorter rations."  Winston mistakenly believes at first that "If there is hope, it lies in the proles", because he assumes that they have been subjected to less propaganda brainwashing then the Party members, living apart as they do in their own section of the city, in squalor.  He soon realizes how wrong he is.  The proles can't carry on an intelligent conversation or hold a focused thought to save their life.  Their life has become a sea of drinking, fighting, The Lottery, and meaningless daily minutae.  "They remembered a million useless things, a quarrel with a workmate, a hunt for a lost bicycle pump, the expression on a long-dead sister's face, the swirls of dust on a morning seventy years ago; but all the relevant facts were outside the range of their vision."  This is what the general population has already become.   

Music, books, porn  In the world of "1984", music, books and porn are all computer generated.   "The tune had been haunting London for weeks past.  It was one of the countless similar songs published for the benefit of the proles by a sub-section of the Music Department.  The words of these songs were composed without any human intervention whatever on an instrument known as a versificator."   Sound familiar?  How many of these songs have we heard, with bland, unoriginal lyrics, the top 40 pop song or love ballad of the moment that may as well have been computer generated for all its supposed originality and uniqueness.   Keep this in mind next time you turn on the radio.  I don't even listen to it anymore.  It went the way of the TV for me.     

The telescreen Part propaganda spouting "television", part monitoring system, which can't ever be shut off, or you'll go to jail.  On a related note, be on the lookout for more and more public places that now have TV's blaring all the time. It's becoming "All Propaganda, All the Time."

War is Peace- Freedom is Slavery -Ignorance is Strength  Also known as "New Speak." What used to be up is now down, what was right is now wrong, and so on.  The not-so-subtle twisting and manipulation of the language to re-program the population.  The War on Terror is necessary for our safety.  The Patriot Act is freedom, not oppression.  Just listen to any politician or government puppet talking on TV.  All the ways in which things are twisted around.  "Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thoughts?  In the end we shall make thought-crime literally impossible, because there will be no words which to express it."

Two Minutes Hate / Emmanuel Goldstein  Oh, I loved this one.  In the book, an image of the sworn enemy of the people, Emmanuel Goldstein, is shown on a screen while Party members stop what they're doing and expel rage and hate at the image for two minutes.  "...the sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically." The kicker of it all is the fact that nobody has ever actually seen Goldstein.  The people just trust that he exists and exert all their hate towards an image on a screen that they've been told is evil.  For Emmanual Goldstein, substitute Osama bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein.

The Wars with Eurasia and Eastasia  Loved this one too – in the novel, Winston's country Oceania is forever engaged in a never ending war between either Eurasia or Eastasia. And it switches from week to week, depending on what TPTB dictate.  The people switch allegiances at the drop of a hat, based on who they're told is the enemy this week.   For Eastasia and Eurasia, substitute Iraq, Afghanistan, and the upcoming Iran, Syria, North Korea, and who knows who else.  "Once when he happened in some connection to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening.   The rocket bombs which fell on London were probably fired b the Government of Oceania itself, "just to keep people frightened."

Snitching and Turning people in  In the world of "1984", party members are always keeping close tabs on each other (and being monitored by Big Brother) for any signs of a "Thought Crime," ie, a Party member who may begin thinking independently, questioning things, or being insubordinate in any way.  Sadly, things are actually progressing to this in the U.S.   TPTB tried to implement a pathetic program called "TIPS" shortly after 9/11, you probably remember that, whereby postal workers and other delivery employees would monitor – and report – any "suspicious activity" they witnessed in the homes and people they encountered.   Luckily, it was rejected, although expect to see it re-emerge in a more covert format. TPTB will always have their way in the end, no matter what the people say.  In fact, now we also have this:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ju … poster.htm 

and:

http://www.rense.com/general28/mcarthy.htm   


Comrade Ogilvy A hero who had died in battle, a "humble, rank-and-file Party member whose life and death be held up as an example worthy to be followed."  And who also never existed.  He's an invented figment of the imagination to manipulate the people.  "It was true that there was no such person as Comrade Ogilvy, but a few lines of print and a couple of faked photographs would soon bring him into existence." "It struck him as curious that you could create dead men but not living ones."  Makes you wonder....how many of the characters paraded in front of us on the tellie are really who we're told they are, hmmm?

Quacking Man  "...his spectacles caught the light and presented to Winston two blank discs instead of eyes. What was slightly horrible was that from the stream of sound that poured out of his mouth, it was almost impossible to distinguish a single word.  Just once Winston caught a phrase – 'complete and final elimination of Goldsteinism' – jerked out very rapidly and, as it seemed, all in one piece, like a line of type cast solid.  For the rest it was just a noise, a quack-quack-quack-quacking....As he watched the eyeless face and the jaw moving rapidly up and down, Winston had a curious feeling that this was not a real human being but some kind of a dummy.  It was not the man's brain that was speaking; it was his larynx....it was noise uttered in unconsciousness, like the quacking of a duck."We've all encountered something like this, and we'll have more and more of it as time goes on.

Anyway, those are the highlights, the stuff that I see around me every day which happened to be in the book.  I don't present this in an effort to depress anybody.  Rather, it's to liberate I guess.  For those who have read it but continue to live the illusion because of family members, close friends, and work, making themselves purposely forget....still watching television, still voting, still reading the newspaper on their lunch hours.   And for those who haven't read it yet so will benefit from this being brought to their attention. 

Once you're awakening, it's hard to go about your day to day business without seeing this stuff.  At the bank, at the bookstore, in newspapers lying around on cafe tables, at work with the TV and coworkers glued to the tube in a daze, everywhere I'm reminded of "1984".   

I can only wonder what happens when one finally reaches that point where they truly do not believe anything about what we're being told about this country, government, politics, world, reality.  Truly believing it's all faked, an illusion, a manipulation, a game, not real.  Turning your back on it all and walking off into the sunset, slipping away, through reality's fingers, cracks, holes, whispering "bye..." on the way out.  I imagine that TPTB would label you "mentally ill" and have you committed for losing touch with reality.   Kind of interesting, huh?



Now, the areas where Orwell was a little off, but not that far...


Control marriages / remove pleasure from sex:   "[the Party's] real, undeclared purpose was to remove all pleasure from the sexual act.  Not love so much as eroticism was the enemy, inside marriage as well as outside it.  All marriages between Party members had to be approved by a committee appointed for the purpose, and – though the principle was never clearly stated – permission was always refused if the couple concerned gave the impression of being physically attracted to one another...sexual intercourse was to be looked on as a slightly disgusting minor operation, like having an enema."    We don't have this going on today, however.........what we DO have is something related to it -  the perversion of the sex act, and the breakdown and destabilization of the family.   Huge divorce rates, kids winding up as dysfunctional and ineffectual members of society, declining birth rates in developed Western nations, notably the States, as kids from dysfunctional families grow up and in turn refrain from reproducing,   It's now the norm to find unmarried, childless 30+ year olds who are in a sense, grown kids themselves.  In the "olden days" people had fears about becoming an "old maid."  It was every parent's nightmare that they wouldn't be able to marry off their daughter(s).  "What are we going to do???  Guenevievre needs a husband!!  Who's available???"   Now their daughters (and sons) are running for the hills from marriage and kids.   "A Brave New World" talks about the Nazi concept of Eugenics, or population control.  TPTB have attained this, albeit in a different manner from what was suggested in either novel.  They've succeeded via feminism, divorce, drugs, and the increasingly demonic nature of the media and images we're inundated with on a daily basis.  Porn has gotten harder and more demonic, its images readily accessible with the ‘net; spam porns run rampant in people's inboxes, with pedophilia and beastiality mentioned nonchalantly in the subject lines.... So, goal accomplished, different road taken from anything that Orwell envisioned. 



For further reading / viewing, I recommend the following:

"A Brave New World" – Aldous Huxley
"Equilibrium" – movie, starring Christian Bale, Taye Diggs, Emily Watson; c. 2003 – A hybrid of both "Brave New World" and "1984."

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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(ps - please disregard any typos in the above post - I couldn't get this thing to post at all for the longest time, and after finally getting it posted I'm not able to get in and make any edits to fix the typos....)

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Thank you, lyra.  You are doing a great service by making people aware of the
implications of this book.  Many people have missed this one and it's good that
you're bringing it to people's attention. 
TP

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seriously, i dont know how i could have gone this far and not read this book yet.

will do! thanks lyra!!

oooh, now this will help me brush up on my spanish wink
(ignore that last comment if you dont understand)

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Great stuff as always, lyra!

I, too, read "1984" recently and really was blown away by how much Orwell nailed modern society. "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and "No Child Left Behind" pretty much sum up the concept of Newspeak.

Then I read "Brave New World," and, again, I was stunned by the similarities to what's currently happening: sex-as-a-physical activity, completely without love; rampant drug use; the officially-sanctioned practice of cheefully looking down our collective noses on members of social classes "lower" than ours.

I read both books for the first time, after reading in so many "conspiracy" forums how both "1984" and "Brave New World" each mirror modern society in their own, distinctive, ways. I felt I owed it to myself to become acquainted with both books.

Then, when I followed up and researched the authors of these books, I was amazed to discover that both Orwell and Huxley were intimately involved in the New World Order!!!

So, the question must be asked: If Orwell and Huxley were indeed part of the Illuminati, then why would they lay out their plans like they did in their respective books? Was it a conditioning tool? A cruel inside joke? A warning? A call to arms for the NWO? Or just a matter of getting the devil getting his karma out there for all to see?

I don't know, but one thing is for sure: TPTB wanted badly for people in the Baby Boomer generation to read and discuss, both books. By the time my generation came around (I graduated high school in 1984), neither book was required reading -- but to Boomers, both books were ubiquitous in high school English classes, I'm told.

So TPTB were definitely pushing these authors' ideas on young minds. I wonder why?

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i honestly think that it is double sided sword, the reason why they put these things out there.

on one side (the positive side i guess) it is a warning, but on the other side (negative i guess) it is programming or instilling the plans for the peoples (unconscious) approval.

take a look at "the protocols of zion" , a supposed illuminati agenda that was put out some time ago

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Tom Paine wrote:

Thank you, lyra.  You are doing a great service by making people aware of the
implications of this book.  Many people have missed this one and it's good that
you're bringing it to people's attention. 
TP

Thanks!   smile  I was hoping it wouldn't be a case of redundantly "preaching to the choir", but I figured, like you said, that people may have missed it, you know, like zonabi here.    big_smile  Okay zonabi, you confused me with the Spanish thing, I'll have to think about that and see if I can figure it out.  smile


lordza wrote:

So, the question must be asked: If Orwell and Huxley were indeed part of the Illuminati, then why would they lay out their plans like they did in their respective books? Was it a conditioning tool? A cruel inside joke? A warning? A call to arms for the NWO? Or just a matter of getting the devil getting his karma out there for all to see?

Hmmm...good questions!   I really don't know, but I thought the same thing.   "A Brave New World" has many symbolisms pertaining to Freemasonry, which most people won't catch if they don't know.   T's (the masonic T-square) the number 33, the ritual with drugs and sex on the 33rd floor of the great T building, etc. etc., and other secret society stuff.    And the rumor is that Orwell / Blair is related to Tony Blair, although as Alushe once pointed out, it hasn't been proven.   So who knows.   But these guys were obviously in the know, so what does that say about the fact that they openly put their stuff out there?   And it's so funny that you specfiically mentioned the fact that these books were required reading for Boomer generation......................but not anymore.   I had thought the very same thing as I created my post!   Was like, hmm.....wasn't this standard fare for highschool students during my parent's day??   I don't think the schools are pushing it anymore....wonder why?   Why then, but not now? 

So, seems you picked out the same thing.  And it could be any of your theories I think.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Great work Lyra thanks!

One point I want to make about the CCTV in London - you mention there are 300 cameras in London, that is a tad incorrect.  I have been trying to find out how many there actually are - but I think it is probably around 1000 or maybe even multiple thousands.

A few years ago the Government introduced a new scheme into London.  They decided that there was far too much traffic going into London, and so came up with a plan called "Congestion Charging".

700 cameras now monitor 21 square km of central London.  These cameras are aimed at the roadways, as each car drives by to camera records the license plate.  This information is then fed back to a central computer system, which correlates the license plate to the vehicle owners address.  A bill is then generated and sent out to the owner charging them for the usage of the road.

Of course this scheme is also looking out for know criminals and terrorists "for our safety".

Myself, I live in a small town south of London.  When I leave my front door, and head towards town center, I only have to take about 30 steps before I will appear on the closest camera.  My walk into town will continue toward, underneath and past this camera along a stretch of about 150 meters.  I then turn a corner.  Whereby I will appear on yet another camera.  This is the High Street, the main road in town.

[edit] - Gah, looks like only half the post made it to the boards sad  it was at least twice this length.

Basically the jist of it was that a person traveling less than half a mile across town appears on 7 different cameras...and these are only the visable ones I have no idea how many hidden ones there are.

The point I made was that such survialance as this was going on in a small town.  The large ones must be terrible.

This doesn't seem to phase anyone at all though...they are more than happy to carry on their lives with this.  Someone here questioned a while ago in a different thread why people don't do anything about this.  Maybe it has a degree to do with programming and conditioning.  But it has a lot to do with their TV, their sports, their bear, their sex.  As long as this can all carry on uniteruppted they don't seem to care what happens in the world.

Interrupt all this or take it away - and I reckon we would have an instant revolution...

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Take a look at this scheme they've got going in Chicago

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.05/crime.html

"But Chicago has evolved. A pilot network of 30 cameras keeps watch over the West Side, capturing images that have been used in more than 200 investigations. It's the first step on the way to a 2,250-camera system. And the electronic eyes are merely the most visible part of a strategy to completely remake police work in Chicago. A massive set of databases now collects and collates the minutiae of law enforcement - everything from mug shots to chains of evidence. Installed in patrol cars, it turns every PC in every station house into a node on a crime-fighting network. At headquarters, superintendents and commanders use it to pore over patterns of criminal behavior, figuring out how to deploy swarms of cops."

Yikes!

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Quite right, Marcus. Even though I don't live in the uk anymore (I quit when Thatcher came in) I am realising more and more the people are generally saying, ''OOOh! Not good!'' versus those who are still believing 911 and everything that goes with the government for their 'own protection'' crap!  Two points. First of all, I apologise to any Aussies here on the forum, but when I lived there, for 7 years, I was absolutely paranoid as an 'alien' in their country. There were special days, let's say 'Operation Blue'', where you could call anonasmosly ...(Sorry! Can't spell!) and 'dob anybody in for say, smoking marajuana. Or another 'op' where you could dob in an illegal alien that day. I saw many people get their rocks off this way and really **** with peoples lives. That's before I knew about the agenda. But even then it didn't feel right. Isn't Australia another grand experiment??? Point 2. The Blair gov want to introduce pay for every mile crap, shades of Ohio, no? But get this! Every car will be tracked from a satellite. So they know your every move. Now, that's big brother!!!! And a teeny bit frightening. As Lyra said in another thread, when will the people revolt??? Or simply say NO! The spanish proved it here when they ousted Aznar cos he told lies re the madrid bombing, 4 days before the election!!!!God, knows if the present one has an agenda!!! But, if we create are own reality, all is well, is it not?

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It's amazing isn't it. All this electronic surveillance, video cameras everywhere, anyone can be photographed 5 ways from Sunday simply by walking into their local inconvenience store. YET still not a single, clear, decent video clip from 9/11 of a plane hitting the Pentagon!!!

Remind me again why I don't believe a single "official" word regarding Sept. 11, 2001.

Btw, I once read that Orwell originally wanted to name his most famous novel as 1948, but was concerned that it wouldn't be published and/or that the authorities (Big Brothers of his time) would come down hard on him; hence it became 1984, was presented as futuristic, sci-fi. And, the rest, as they say, is "history" repeating itself...

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Marcus wrote:

Great work Lyra thanks!

One point I want to make about the CCTV in London - you mention there are 300 cameras in London, that is a tad incorrect.  I have been trying to find out how many there actually are - but I think it is probably around 1000 or maybe even multiple thousands.

Yeah yeah, I realized that after I posted it, remembered that the statistic was that a person walking around the streets of London would appear on camera at least 300 times;  not that there are 300 cameras filming London.  (read that on the David Icke headlines page....)  Unfortunately, I couldn't go back in and edit the post at all (as the followup post indicated;  I was locked out with no edits allowed)  and I didn't think I should post another post just to clarify the statistic.   But I admit, it still nagged at me.  Oh well!   smile   Thanks though for clarifying, I knew someone from England would know the real stats on this from first hand experience, so that's appreciated.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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(Possible spoiler warning, so if you haven't read 1984 you may not want to read this post)

Lyra what a great post, I really appreciated also the section you wrote about human relationships in the world of 1984, especially how sex was not supposed to be pleasurable.  I think Orwell was really a genius, way ahead of his time, and in fact this aspect of 1984 to me as always been the most haunting.  I have always read 1984 as essentially a love story.  The reason the Party is able to so fully rule over the subjects of Oceania is because they have so successfully separated and atomized each member of the human race from the other.  Winston's memories of his mom are fleeting, and he is little more than a replaceable cog in the party organs.   Yet driving the story is his relationship with Julia (that's her name, IIRC) and the truly open and unfiltered love and communion he was able to achieve with her.  I remember from the book that Winston's adventure really begins when he receives the anonymous note "I love you", and then later realizes it was from Julia; and then after making love to her, Orwell notes that the the pure love he felt was itself a political act, a statement of defiance to the party. 

The message I took away from 1984 was that it is this restriction of this natural ability to love that allows the powerful to exploit the people.  The destruction of nurturing social bonds and community spaces that let people connect with each other are necessary preconditions towards the construction of criminal and colonial state.  Building a saner world means recognizing the lack of love in today's social systems, and also realizing that more love would help things tremendously as well.  "What we need is love" -- bob marley

Your focus determines your reality -- Qui Gon Jinn

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Thanks for your post, SS Elephant.
The love story had faded from my memory since I read the book a long time ago, and
have been focusing on the other aspects which are creeping in around us.
Family ties can ensnare people and prevent them from finding their true selves and
their true calling, unless their true calling is to be fruitful and multiply, like yeast buds.
But the substitution of sex for love is dragging down the frequency of anyone who
travels that road.  And it was only in the past few years that I came to be able to
differentiate between what is called love and what real love is.
Funny you should mention the Bob Marley lyrics, because all day yesterday I was
playing Todd Rundgren's Love Is The Answer in my head.  Todd's version of that
is the only really good one IMO.
TP

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My son was reading "1984" for school when he was arrested. Ironic.

Monica