16 (edited by BlackBox 2004-05-18 15:21:40)

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ermolai wrote:

Speaking passionately is good, but I think claiming to be a great priestess is not wise (even if this is true), this is just the ego talking and needing recognition. Why does it matter who she was in a past life? What counts is who she is right now... Her being should talk louder than her words.

True enough ermolai. I doubt if she is even as spiritually evolved as Pee-wee Herman. To proclaim something and not being it is probably a sign of fallacy and disinformation. Furthermore she speaks of grace coming to paradise without any effort. She thinks it'll arrive from a U.S. law being implemented by congress no-less! wink

BUT! Hearing from people like this at least gives us clues on the next-moves of COINTELPRO and the disinformation networks. We should never ignore the hysterical new-age followers. Befriend all and discern between all. Some lead the way to truth, some lead the way to disinformation, etc. If we watch all paths, we can better understand our own.

I'm going to ask her to give me detailed explainations in regards to the Crystal Skull she speaks of.

Oh, and Tom, funny you mention Sananda, because she said she spoke to him/her (?) and it told her that Nesara was "for real". I thought you'd find that amusing.

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BlackBox wrote:

   I think wise people know when to act quiet and when to speak passionately. That is what makes them wise.

You're probably right with this one.   But......it depends on the way in which they're speaking passionately.   Goes back to that body language / speech analysis thing.  Are they speaking with big bug eyes, talking rapidly and keyed up?   If so....probably "crazy" passionate!    Stay away!

BlackBox wrote:

   I do not judge nor separate people in that manner, lyra.

Sure you do.  Like I mentioned on another post, you HAVE to in this 3rd density zoo we're in, because we're all dumped here and forced to navigate our way around.   People would like us to believe that "judging people is wrong".   Sorry, it's not.  And actually............I don't consider it "judging."   A better, more accurate word would be **assessing.**    You are assessing that person.  Like I told JT in another thread, don't pretend you don't do this.   You do it all the time.     But there's nothing wrong with it, we ALL do it.    You HAVE to in this reality.   It's not wise to not do this.  How else are you going to determine a friend?   An enemy?......Someone off their rocker?......Someone worth listening to?    It's also known as **discernment.**    Assessment, discernment.....judgement.....whatever you want to call it.  It's not a bad thing, and it's definately necessary in this reality to figure out what you're dealing with and up against, and who's worth keeping around and who's not, and what's good and what's bad, etc. etc. etc.

And when it comes to New Agers, I'm sorry, but people really should utilize this.  There's a lot of wackos out there, and that's just what it is.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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18 (edited by BlackBox 2004-05-18 16:47:10)

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Lyra,

I was responding to you stating this:

lyra wrote:

Crazy people speak passionately. Sane, wise people are quiet.

This sounded absurd to me, so I responded with this:

BlackBox wrote:

I do not judge nor separate people in that manner, lyra. I think wise people know when to act quiet and when to speak passionately. That is what makes them wise.

I did not say I do not judge. Discernment is judging through objective awareness.

It would be senseless to not judge. But through awareness rather than assumption is what I'm pointing out.

Your original statement was using a big assumption that somehow allows generalization.

19 (edited by lyra 2004-05-18 17:40:09)

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"But through awareness rather than assumption is what I'm pointing out.

Your original statement was using a big assumption that somehow allows generalization."



To clarify why I said what I said, it was also based on the description of your New Age friend.   She sounds a little "out there."   Then.....to top it off you mentioned her "speaking passionately."   For me, it was a matter of putting two and two together.  "Speaking passionately" taken by itself does not a crazy person make.  But add in that little description of her.........doesn't sound very promising.   So, that's where I got that from, just to clarify.  So yes, while it may seem like an "absurd generalization", it was based on putting multiple things together.  I do realize that not all crazy people speak passionately, and not all sane people are quiet, so yup, that was a generalization.   But overall I have noticed a pattern with people in life, and the ones who are making up wild tales or are deluded tend to speak a little more flamboyantly than those who are not.   Just an observation.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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What is, Lyra, What it is. Way to go.

21 (edited by JT 2004-05-18 23:03:18)

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Hi,

Thought I would drop in my thoughts on judgement here as I see it as relevant:

I think the whole issue of judgement is a very fine line to tread,  - we live in a dualistic reality, thus value judgements.

We do all have preferences, wishes and desires and the ability to "assess" as Lyra has written.

My understanding is that judgement is mostly first about self (ego), which is then "projected" onto others, "projection" being mainly a defence mechanism of ego.

Nothing wrong with ego, BUT plenty disturbing with ego that dominates the individual which is not what it is supposed to do, and this is where the fine line is.

When higher faculties are enlivened, ego starts to fade away and thus judgement starts to fade away. This leads to a more unified way of seeing events and thus people in ones life. It is not a process of logically not-judging, it simply happens and is a blessing.

Regards

JT

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Yes the ego naturally projects on others the parts it doesn't like about itself. It does not necessary "make up" these things, it could merely focus on them. Consciousness is attention IMO. If you start seeing everyone as STS, be aware that you may be focusing on the STS part of that person and ignoring the STO parts (few people nowadays have chosen their polarity), because your ego wants to feel right. If we have the right attitude, others can be of great help to uncover and integrate our own shadow.