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Topic: Anyone know about this guy?

Hi,

I would like to ask for some help and assistance :-D

I ame across this announcement on rense.com this evening:

There Is No 'War On Terror' - Rael Press Release
Raelian Movement
5-18-4
http://www.rense.com/general53/nowow.htm

.........so to cut a long story short I followed links and went to the Rael Website and see that this guy Rael is an ex journalist, French and that a few years ago has a first contact with Aliens and thereafter continued to channel them.

From what I could see, the essence of the Alien messages is contained in these few words:

With an atheistic education nobody believes in any kind of life after death, and then everybody tries to make this life, the only one we are sure to have, better for everybody.

Below is his latest seminar offering, the last few lines of which, nearly left me heaving and and dry retching:

Welcome to the seminars“You are being offered the most extraordinary opportunity – to have the experience of a lifetime - by coming to the seminars. This year, I will probably still be there. I can never be sure that I will be there next year, nor in the years to come. So, this may be your last chance to attend. Perhaps you have dreamed of attending a seminar given by Jesus, Buddha, or Mohammed. Well it's too late. With me, it is still possible… but not for long.“?
Raël.

Now, I am glad I just scanned a few pages of his material and did not start the book first.

1)Is anyone familiar with Rael and his organisation?

2)What are the Rael organisation particularly noted for - any notoriety?

3)Has anyone read the book or taken a deeper look at the material, and if so what were your conclusions?


Thankyou in advance for your answers :-D

Warm regards

JT

Amusingly, when I scanned back over my text before posting it, I came across this spelling mistake:

"to cut a long story short I followed linksss and went to the Rael Website"

I equated this too : a) Link - as in connection b) sss      as in a reptilian kind of hisss. (shudder)

Now, I am not the sort of person that is on the lookout for a lot of symbolism, except that which I am most aware of and is strikingly clear to me but when I saw this I have to admit it raised a smile! lol

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Oh boy......................The Raelians.   Yup, there are definately people here who are familiar with who these guys are.   They're a cult, for starters, and they're the ones who claimed to have cloned the first human child.   I'll leave it to the others to further elaborate because I'm sure they could better than I.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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I went to a Raelian meeting once in college, for the sheer entertainment of it. The meting was intended to introduce non-raelians to the movement (cult). It was basically a seminar that began with a video on UFOs - various convincing footage intended to present a case that aliens are real.

Then came another video introducing Rael, giving a recounting of his meeting with aliens that changed his life forever. There was a drawing of what he remembered of the encounter - several beings walking down a ramp from a saucer shaped spaceship. They all looked like tall grays except had long hair and a goatee - so basically a cross between Jesus and a gray.  Funny thing is the friend I brought to the meeting had long hair and a goatee, and all the raelians there were drawn to him after the meeting as though they thought he was one. 

The rest of the video summed up the raelian philosophy. Basically, they are atheists and do not believe in a soul, that we are nothing more than the sum of our genetics and memories, and that after death, our consciousnes disintegrates into nothingness. Only through cloning can we become immortal, because by cloning we are making duplicates of our genetics and (through some mechanism) our memories, and if that's all we are, then we can survive death through our clones.

If you recall, a while ago there was a cloning scandal about a female doctor who intended to clone humans, and then the later claim that a baby clone had indeed been born. This doctor was a Raelian and this was part of the Raelians' pet project. Fits right in with their philosophy.

Regarding aliens, the Raelians believe that aliens created all life on earth through genetic engineering. Example they use is a butterfly whose intricate geometry could ONLY have been designed intelligently in a lab, or so they claim. Who created these aliens? I'm not sure if they answer that. Anyway, Raelians are expecting these aliens to return, to give us the gift of immortality and rule over us since they are, after all, our creators. Toward this end, the Raelians are collecting money to build  a Space Embassy in Israel, a spaceport and welcoming (command) center for the aliens when they make open contact. These aliens they call the Elohim. 

It's a nice cult for people who are atheist, scientific, and materialistic, but who cannot deny the evidence of alien intelligence. Their ignorance of spirituality makes them easy targets for this sort of trap. It's an extreme variation of the Sitchin view of creation, which seems to be part of a disinformation campaign to soften up the world to the idea of alien saviours.

Anyone else had experience with the Raelians?

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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All I know is that the moment I saw the drawings of the "Alien" by the Rael - I knew these guys were kooks.

And i just want to add that I don't care who or what created me or HumanKind - I submit my will to no-body.

"It's hard to advance freedom in a country that has been strangled by tyranny." - G.W. Bush 04/13/2004

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Hi,

And thanks for the informative posts so far - really interesting material!

I just noticed this, it may be common knowledge but though I would point it out:

The word Reptilian contains the word Raelian and that both words contain the word alien

Obviously he has a sense of humour as well.

Regards

JT

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I first heard of their movement in Quebec. I thought they focused on french-speaking colonies.

When I visited the site (after reading JT's post) I was stunned to see the picture of the Elohim look exactly like Steven Spielbergs animated movie. I forget what the name of the movie was called (I think "America" was in the name...) but it a T.V. Series. But the way Rael has designed his hair, as well as the picture in the main page, is exactly the same way it was depicted in Spielbergs series.

Also, kind of odd to see that look very common along the lines of the ancient oriental warriors. I'm speaking of the style depicted in the movie "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon". The hair in particular of the males.

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JT wrote:

  I just noticed this, it may be common knowledge but though I would point it out:

The word Reptilian contains the word Raelian


No, "reptilian" only contains one a.  But close enough, I suppose.  I'm sure they're driven by the same thing, anyway.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Anything which promotes a guru (the press releases talks about "His Holiness RAEL", uppercase included) is good for the dustbin IMO. I don't need to submit to anyone's authority to find the truth.

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Speaking of hidden words, JT you once quoted Michael Topper who referenced the Hilarion material. Later he commented that the book title "Hilarion" had the letters L and A connected at the base. He took this as a clue and realized that qabbalistically (or maybe it was numerologically?) L and A sum to the letter "O".  So with the code deciphered, "Hilarion" actually spells "Hi Orion".

Maybe Raelian refers to reptilian even without that extra "a". However, there's no doubt about "raelien" sounding like "Ra - alien" - perhaps subliminally hinting at aliens being our creator gods (Ra = egyptian god) and saviours? The terms "elohim" is a biblical reference to God's little helpers who created mankind, and since they are depicted as Jesus-grays, the notion of "saviours" is implanted. Interesting how the entire Raelian movement, right down to their name, hints at their ultimate agenda.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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http://www.geocities.com/goanagrams/fla … hdict.html

This is an anagram generator. Type in a word or phrase, and it'll give you a list of words and phrases that contain those letters. I played with some common channeling names and came up with interesting coincidences:

Tobias = I Boast = So Bait
Arkon = Koran
St Germain = Arming Set = Mastering = Agent's Rim = Emigrant
Sananda = Nasa DNA

and so on...

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Funny you bring up Saint Germaine, Tom.

The woman who got me starting up the Nesara thread told me that she knew that St.Germaine was at the head of the Nesara "project". She said it in a negative connotation.

Probably doubtful, but the "what if" interests me.

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Then that automatically gives it away. St Germain is perceived as an ascended master and is often channelled in the New Age community, but if you analyze the channelled material that comes through it's all the same and smacks of either a government or hyperdimensional disinformation campaign (or both). It's identical to other sources like the various Archangels, Sananda, and Ashtar. Check it out for yourself if you're curious, the similarity among them is uncanny and all contain common logical fallacies and spiritual diversions, as though they were arms of the same octopus. BB, So far I haven't heard a reliable thing coming from that woman who got you starting up the Nesara thread...

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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montalk wrote:

   BB, So far I haven't heard a reliable thing coming from that woman who got you starting up the Nesara thread...

I'm with you here.   You can't expect much reliability from someone who claims:  "...to have been a high-priestess of Poseidon, Atlantis in her past life, in charge of protecting and using the Crystal Skull now known as the Mayan Skull........She says this will lead to first-contact..........."

Sorry, but my GOD.   Holy cow.   Yeah, she may  "speak vividly and passionately........" which causes BB to give her "the benefit of the doubt", but that's exactly WHY you should be suspicious.......BECAUSE she's so passionately spewing all this stuff about high priestesses of Poseidon, etc. etc. blah blah blah.  Crazy people speak passionately.     Sane, wise people are quiet.  It's called body language and speech analysis.   It's not so much WHAT people say but HOW they say it.  I wish more people were better at reading others, a lot of deception and trickery at the hands of crazy people and / or malicious people could be avoided.   

Yes, as you can tell, I have ZERO patience with New Agers.  They're maddening.   And their followers tend to often times be a tad gullible.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Montalk wrote:

Then that automatically gives it away. St Germain is perceived as an ascended master and is often channelled in the New Age community, but if you analyze the channelled material that comes through it's all the same and smacks of either a government or hyperdimensional disinformation campaign (or both). It's identical to other sources like the various Archangels, Sananda, and Ashtar. Check it out for yourself if you're curious, the similarity among them is uncanny and all contain common logical fallacies and spiritual diversions, as though they were arms of the same octopus. BB, So far I haven't heard a reliable thing coming from that woman who got you starting up the Nesara thread...

Sounds correct. I often have conflicted with the ideas of St.Germaine being a higher-being to that of him being used as an alias for COINTELPRO / Intended Disinformation.

You're right Tom, thanks. We should start a thread on verified sources or names or events, etc, of disinformation. It would allow our ongoing life-research to go smoother if we can point things like this out for new-comers. (Ie. St.Germaine = Disinformation) smile Or maybe a section of your website.

lyra wrote:

Crazy people speak passionately. Sane, wise people are quiet.

I do not judge nor separate people in that manner, lyra. I think wise people know when to act quiet and when to speak passionately. That is what makes them wise.

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Speaking passionately is good, but I think claiming to be a great priestess is not wise (even if this is true), this is just the ego talking and needing recognition. Why does it matter who she was in a past life? What counts is who she is right now... Her being should talk louder than her words.