16 Reply by Auendove (edited by Auendove 2004-04-01 10:09:28)

  • From: terra incognita
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Conspiracies = Distractions = Smoke-Screens = Control

Sedna writes:

I would like to know specifically what responses TV situations and responses can evoke in people.

and,

It's not the mostly inane subject matter of TV that is the main problem, I think, but there is also something in the psychology and symbolism of it....


Consider this--

If 9/11 had of happened before the advent of TV would there have resulted the same profound and sustained charge of emotional human reactions that ensued?  For those glued to their TV sets at that time, for all the seeing and replaying of the "episode," there were such "Ever Ready" currents of rushing emotions like rage and deep sorrow, thoughts of false security and mortality, terror and fear (in a channeling session I once heard it said that Bush experienced "primal fear" as never before following 9/11), emotions some believe to be the mainstay of the 4D STS diet, or at least a coveted side dish... like a baked potato fully loaded with "the works."  Of course, we do have the choice to be couch potatoes, or not, don't we?  It's enough to deal with our own unique emotional issues as they naturally arise from the subconscious, without an "inane" tool further complicating that process.  Especially if it's to an end that satisfies STS hunger.

And this--

Are "real" life family situations often aired on sitcom television?  TV families most often resolve their issues, even big issues, in one half-hour.  This is written with a healthy level of tongue-in-cheek irony--Well!  Isn't that special, I wonder when my family is ever going to be that "good?"  What is commonly represented on TV as the average family and family trials, is definitely not how family trials play out in the home court.

And as for TV as a psychological message delivery system?  The systems message does not represent the human body image honestly, proportionate to the population.  What one observes on TV, especially in commercials, and what one encounters when they walk out their front door into the public domain are two very different populations.  One is usually aesthetically pleasing, ergo "the beautiful people," and therefore limiting, and the other is "just average," a horn of plenty of all the body types/images of our species in the world at large. 

And SednaSphere--for all that we are educated and experienced, you and me--young children are not, and are in their formidable, foundling years.  The ideals of body image perpetuated through TV forms ideas in their growing consciousnesses of how they conceptualize their fitting in or not fitting into the human landscape.  For the love of my species, the little ones and the big ones, I heartfully write--No one soul on this Earth should have to worry about fitting in... really, it's more than enough to Just~Be, enough to come to life and walk the land without reservation for one's appearance therein. 

--V

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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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17 Reply by BlackBox (edited by BlackBox 2004-04-01 10:22:09)

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Good points Auendove, but I have a few reactions to it:

1.) 9/11 on T.V. -> I ask myself why I respond so coldly to it compared to others. Why is it my sister cries when she sees it but when I see it, the biggest reaction is a little shock that arrives due to external consideration of families losing their fathers, mothers, etc.

But I always have the occurences of the other side of the world in my mind. The hundreds and thousands of people with no faces to those over here in the Western-world. So many are dying, why should I be emotionally distorted due to 3,000+ dead from the WTC? What makes it so much more significant?

How many Iranians died in the earthquake recently? In the area, almost the entire society there was destroyed. I didn't really get effected by that too much either, even though I had concerns that came again, from external consideration.

These kind of self-observations of me being colder than others, makes me sometimes think I'm a psychopath, heh, but there must be a more suitable psychological explanation for it.

Now in regards to Television as you describe it, I think you may over-explain a few things as T.V. is how it is, with the big boobs and big cars because those things sell. It's all about money and making money by gaining attention. This simple fact is very important and very influential upon everything else.

  • From: terra incognita
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Conspiracies = Distractions = Smoke-Screens = Control

Black Box,

You write--


Now in regards to Television as you describe it, I think you may over-explain a few things as T.V. is how it is, with the big boobs and big cars because those things sell. It's all about money and making money by gaining attention. This simple fact is very important and very influential upon everything else.

Yes, TV is a multi-faceted control system created just for its time, it was designed that way, believe it or not.  Whether we're talking about the manipulation of one's perception of body image or consummerism/capitalism, TV programming has a little some-something to say about everything, and really, how much of it is in the populations best interest?  TV is far from benign.  But this is the way I look at it, even if I do watch TV.  I really enjoy watching movies myself, popcorn and all.

You write--

These kind of self-observations of me being colder than others, makes me sometimes think I'm a psychopath, heh, but there must be a more suitable psychological explanation for it.

Maybe rather then looking upon yourself as "cold," unless that's truly what you are in and of yourself, maybe you have honed the skill of detaching from what Operation Terra's Heavenly Hosts call "The God Game." In their manner of speaking, their philosophy, the be-ing cold/detached is actually more psychologically healthy, especially for those more sensitive to others' pain.  From that perspective they utilize the euphemism "Let Go and Let God," let go of the perception that one, such as you or I, have to do something about what's playing out in the world at large, then let "God" take care of the details.  But then again, this is just another way of looking at your subject matter, I'm not attempting to indocrinate you into any one way of thinking.

And lastly, you wrote in another post on this thread, and I'd like to add--I was hedging as to whether or not to post this for concern I may hurt your feelings, but after reading your above post I don't any longer think that will be an issue, you seem to be fairly well insulated, and my point is not to hurt your feelings:


Awareness allows one to use it as a toy just like so many other things.


I must respond to this line with candor, and I truly apologize for being such a nudge here, but this isn't going to stop me from saying what I want to say... just please know my intention is not to offend, but rather to share another point of view concerncing awareness.

I inherently find this sentence slightful to the levity that is awareness, at least awareness in balance.  I personally find the "devil may care" position you take concerning awareness unwitting, as I do your confidence.  Let's watch TV until the cows come home Black Box, I don't care, there is some TV programming I myself watch, I'm no better than you... HA!  Point in case--I freely admit that I enjoy soap operas, what most think is the worst TV has to offer!  I don't pay attention to them everyday, in fact my TV hasn't yet been turned on today.  Even so, following your lead in animating awareness, this is where the big "BUT," comes in, speaking as one adult to another:

Would a rational Awareness be "allowing" it's "charge" to play with a toy notorious for its manipulative ability, without mentioning as much?  Would a reasonable Awareness toss you a TV, knowing it's going to muck you all up, and not tell you it's dangerous to play with?   It would be like a parent offering their children a book of fairytales, without telling them it's make-believe, then telling them to go figure out life from there, on their own. 

It is not Awareness that allows one to play with TV as if a toy, it's one's own free will that allows for this.  TV is a successful tool of distraction... a distraction from rational awareness.  Whether it pleases us or not is a product of our own design.

--V

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol
  • From: terra incognita
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Conspiracies = Distractions = Smoke-Screens = Control

ermolai,

You write--

From my experience, it does affect the unconscious in a strong way, even if all your attention is focused on understanding the manipulations (which can't be done all the time anyway). The unconscious stores information 8 times faster than the conscious mind can analyze them (your mind sees only 4 images/second on a 24 images/second movie).


Check this out this excerpt from In the Absence of the Sacred by Jerry Mander.  He also wrote the best selling book, Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television, though I don't have a copy of that book. 

"Most people think of TV viewing as passive--which it is--while video games and computers are interactive.  But the hyperactivity of TV imagery, while pacifying the brain, simultaneously speeds up the nervous system.  TV makes us both dumb and speedy.  In the end, television viewing just prepares us for the appropriate mental state for video games and computer fixation.  And together, the technologies combine to produce a generation of people too sped up to attune themselves to slower, natural, primordial rhythms.

Video games.  Television.  Computers.  Walkmans.  Kids carring those big radios down the street.  And the street.  And the assembly line.  And the freeway.  They are all part of an acceleration process that spins our lives faster and faster, making it seem more exciting when actually it is only hyperactive.

Interesting, huh? 


On a much lighter note--Your signature includes this quote:

"The texture of the fabric of socially shared hallucinations is what we call reality, and our collusive madness is what we call sanity."

Try this one on for size, it's one of my favorites wink--

"Earth is the Insane Asylum of the Universe."--R. Lewis

--V

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
------
If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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Thanks for the reply Auendove.

(rolls up his sleeves)

Would a rational Awareness be "allowing" it's "charge" to play with a toy notorious for its manipulative ability, without mentioning as much?  Would a reasonable Awareness toss you a TV, knowing it's going to muck you all up, and not tell you it's dangerous to play with?   It would be like a parent offering their children a book of fairytales, without telling them it's make-believe, then telling them to go figure out life from there, on their own.

The most important word used in the beginning of that paragraph was "rational". It's a funny word if you really think about it. What is the objective of individual short-wave existence? Life? Now rational "awareness" may lead some to think to be smart on what to look at and where not to put themselves...in situations that would lead to harm, etc etc as reasons why this is so. What I mean is that my regard for all of this has a different holistic approach. I'm a very young, ambitious man, learning the blunt truths of group-channelling which is the equivalent of speaking to the Gods for people in the past, that I look at the world a different way:

I see the different characters, the different Mikes and Joes and Nimas and Alis, and the Lisas and Whitneys and Kimberlys, and grow up in a world where we have "movie-magic"...I look at the world as a very interesting and "fun" learning experience. I completely am losing worries of anything that creates anticipation or the act of "expecting". Their going away and simply doing that which where my passion a.k.a. intuition tells me, and everything seems to fall in place to one's ends a la STS environment.

We have Disney Lands and Universal Studios. We have Ibiza and Capri Islands. We feast and feast as we are intended (not including everyone, just generalizing on humanity). Their all distractions. Yes. But how should a sheep live its life?

Rebelling? Finding new ways to turn over the elites and all that bullshit? Please. Death would occur as playing outside the boundaries of the system is unacceptable for any force of sheep. The fence is there and the shotguns are ready. It's not even questionable in my opinion.

We either believe the world is where we find ourselves at to ESCAPE like some or to be aware of the universal lessons and learn the realities of truth and the unveiled subjective smoke-screen society we live in. Full of subjectivity to our programmings and to our nerves and ultimately against each other.

You either live as a character or a soul-character-utilizer, if that makes sense at all. In other words you either live the program as a character, which is simply a program on-top of a program. OR you can utilize character-archetypes and live the world strategically as your own chess game.

Play Stuie in the Family Guy. Escape from whatever limitations which are micro-programs in your head that are keeping you from taking charge and sailing life with your intuition as driver, so to speak. Learn and Experience and Learn some more...I mean, just do what you have to do and learn the many truths and elaborate on experiencing those truths through further existence. I know this is word-salad but can someone answer me why we educated scholars continue to act subjective upon our programming and impressions when the objective world allows true freedom via free-will via utilization of knowledge.

Sorry for my rambling, but it's a touchy issue at this moment in time. smile

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Excellent insights everyone! BlackBox, that's right. We use our own intuition in how we do things. There's nothing saying a person can't dodge bullets if they realize they don't have to. It's kind of a zen question, and I meant it that way. Now, you are a threat to my dynasty of deep realizations, and so YOU'RE FIRED! Now get out of here!





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Re: Conspiracies = Distractions = Smoke-Screens = Control

Auendove wrote:

Check this out this excerpt from In the Absence of the Sacred by Jerry Mander.  He also wrote the best selling book, Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television, though I don't have a copy of that book. 

"Most people think of TV viewing as passive--which it is--while video games and computers are interactive.  But the hyperactivity of TV imagery, while pacifying the brain, simultaneously speeds up the nervous system.  TV makes us both dumb and speedy.  In the end, television viewing just prepares us for the appropriate mental state for video games and computer fixation.  And together, the technologies combine to produce a generation of people too sped up to attune themselves to slower, natural, primordial rhythms.

Video games.  Television.  Computers.  Walkmans.  Kids carring those big radios down the street.  And the street.  And the assembly line.  And the freeway.  They are all part of an acceleration process that spins our lives faster and faster, making it seem more exciting when actually it is only hyperactive.

Interesting, huh?

Yes I'm aware of the effect of computers, I'm quite addicted to them because there is so many things I can do/learn with them. I wouldn't say that TV prepared me for it because I watched very few TV in my childhood/teenagehood. However computers do make me "live in my head" and "speed up", there is a whole range of emotions which just can't be processed if I stay too long in front of the screen, which is why lately I go as much as possible outside in nature to ground myself and let go of these emotions.

You may be interested in reading this text which is totally on topic:

http://reclaimyourmind.org/emotions.htm

Regarding your comment on how "family life" in TV has nothing to do with reality, I agree but I would add that many people who watch too much TV end up copying what they watch, and thus "reality" starts aligning with the fake "reality" shown on TV. People don't really respond to the situation at hand, rather they relive what they have seen. Total behaviour control. And if you, as a person who does not watch TV, handles the situation differently, then fingers get pointed at you.

Another thing which really disturbs me is how 50% of everything on TV seems to be about "good cops" (in all their forms) fighting "bad guys". This is so strong that most people believe 100% that the law/state/police is on their side to protect them, while when you have a first-hand experience with the system, it becomes clear that things are much uglier.

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One thing I noticed about computer's effect on me is to lower my attention span for things like books.

With the internet and search engines, very little effort is required to find information, and every page I come across has links to lead me off elsewhere.

If I get carried away surfing, it's very much like being in a dream, going from one scene to another and letting the things that distract me take me to yet another scene.

So when I need to read a book, unless I have reacclimated to "slower" living, I find the steady and slow pace very noticeable and distracting.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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24 Reply by BlackBox (edited by BlackBox 2004-04-02 10:21:07)

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You wont think like that on the subject, Monty, after I'm done with you. None of you will!!! MuHahahahaha (sinister laugh)

Not when you're reading at 10,000 words per minute (or 100,000) and treating physical texts like Johnny-Five!!!

20-bucks (farmer's bet) on whoever can tell me what movie I am referring to...("Johnny-Five") I'll be impressed if you T.V.-haters know it!! smile

25 Reply by Auendove (edited by Auendove 2004-04-02 13:16:12)

  • From: terra incognita
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Conspiracies = Distractions = Smoke-Screens = Control

emorlai,

Yeah, I wonder if Jerry Mander has a computer.

And then I thought, "Hey V, you're in front of your computer so much yourself your eyes are going to lose their color!"

And then I thought, "Gack! That's reeeally gross!" smile

Ha! Ha!  Doh!  Sorry. I've been ROTFLMAO all day for any reason I can find. This is the direct result of reading Montalk's joke first thing this morning.;)  Ahem, anyway--

Another thing which really disturbs me is how 50% of everything on TV seems to be about "good cops" (in all their forms) fighting "bad guys". This is so strong that most people believe 100% that the law/state/police is on their side to protect them, while when you have a first-hand experience with the system, it becomes clear that things are much uglier

.

Now, and I'm not joking, it may be a little chilly here in Florida today (67 degrees now), the doors and windows are open, the wind is breezin' through the place, I'm in shorts and t-shirt... and I had not yet had a shiver one until I read this.  There is something of what you write here that chills me to the bone, and beyond.  It makes me to wonder where in Europe you live, but that is not a personal question, and I'm not asking you to say.  Rather it's a rhetorical question in response to my "energetic" reaction to it. 

If you lived in the US I don't think I would've thought twice about this.  This is the way of Justice in the US.  We, or I am so very aware of the ugliness, so much so that I rarely expect "American Justice" to be righteous in its form.  And this in direct opposition to what I see in TV programming--cop shows or news shows, it makes no difference.

And it's not as if I don't already intellectually know about what you speak of, but for some reason I was caught off gaurd in my energy field by this.  Could it be because I've been ROTFLMAO all day and the truth of what you say snapped me back into all seriousness?  Once more a rhetorical question.  I've never been arrested but I've known people that have... they don't have anything good to say about it either.

Excellent, excellent additional points about TV family life, thanks for broadening my understanding.

I did take a look at your web page, a quick look at the papers on healing, I will return later to finish with the rest of the content.

Tah! Tah!

--V

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
------
If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol
  • From: sw tz rl nd
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Conspiracies = Distractions = Smoke-Screens = Control

Auendove wrote:

Another thing which really disturbs me is how 50% of everything on TV seems to be about "good cops" (in all their forms) fighting "bad guys". This is so strong that most people believe 100% that the law/state/police is on their side to protect them, while when you have a first-hand experience with the system, it becomes clear that things are much uglier

.

Now, and I'm not joking, it may be a little chilly here in Florida today (67 degrees now), the doors and windows are open, the wind is breezin' through the place, I'm in shorts and t-shirt... and I had not yet had a shiver one until I read this.  There is something of what you write here that chills me to the bone, and beyond.  It makes me to wonder where in Europe you live, but that is not a personal question, and I'm not asking you to say.  Rather it's a rhetorical question in response to my "energetic" reaction to it. 

If you lived in the US I don't think I would've thought twice about this.  This is the way of Justice in the US.  We, or I am so very aware of the ugliness, so much so that I rarely expect "American Justice" to be righteous in its form.  And this in direct opposition to what I see in TV programming--cop shows or news shows, it makes no difference.

i live in one of the supposedly most "democratic" country in the world smile but it's all in the surface. it works well because people are obedient and disciplined, good consumers, good workers, good machines. they have learnt to be so. however when people try to cross the line and challenge the status quo, you see the true face of the system... and it's ugly.

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  • From: "Over the Hills and Far Away"
  • Registered: 2004-05-03

Re: Conspiracies = Distractions = Smoke-Screens = Control

Hi All,
If any of you have access to CBC (Canada, hey!). There is something worth watching on the 5th of May. 8pm. Explosive stuff (apparently) on...911. It's called Counterspin...except unexpected pulling off of course.

"He simply said: Laianela"