1 (edited by Cipher 2005-02-24 06:08:12)

Topic: My six-year old son's heart problem

Over the Christmas holidays my son was diagnosed with supraventricular tachycardia (SVT). Basically this means rapid heart beat.  When his body gets stressed (running / especially when overheated) his heart rate goes up from 100 beats per minute to over 250 beats per minute. 

After a couple of hospital visits (one time they stopped his heart with a drug so it would re-start in its correct rhythm) - and visits to a child cardiologist, he is now on a beta-blocker to suppress this symptom.

The 'experts' say there is no apparent cause and that most children grow out of it over about two years. 

We know the beta-blocker (which apparently has fewer side effects than if he took, say, one aspirin a day) is only masking the symptom, as he forgot to take it one morning and had an SVT episode that afternoon. 

He does have a couple of exercises he can do which usually work - that squeeze the heart muscle and it goes back to 100 b/m).  But just before he went on the medication (we originally chose to moniter his progress rather than immediately put him on a drug), he was suffering from 2 SVTs a day every two or so days.  That's no way for a child of six to live. So we opted that he went on the drug.

However my husband and I are convinced you don't get a symptom without a cause.  I'm thinking of taking him to a kinesiologist who is open to various natural and spiritual therapies - but I haven't yet as he's just settling into his new grade at school and I'm working overtime for three weeks.

Meanwhile, I've been doing a bit of my own research - and coincidentally wink, I came across a couple of articles on Stuart Wilde's site that have made me ponder.  The articles are about transdimensional spiders that attach to the back of the heart chakra and feed off energy. 

Could this be why he's got a heart problem?  I massaged his back the other day and the two acupuncture points that SW mentions hurt him (nowhere else on his back).

SW says he's seen children with these 'spiders' when their mothers have had them.  Women are supposedly open to TD attack if they sit unprotected on the floor and do yoga. One symptom is that they get cancer/uterus problems.

I had a full hysterectomy in 2000 because of a large cyst in that area. I also had a low-level melanoma taken off my back on the left side of my heart chakra corresponding with the acupuncture point SW mentioned. (Previously, I've put it down to unresolved resentment and anger that I haven't processed, that caused these to grow).  But I've also got a couple of other personal insights that fit SW's picture. I also used to practise yoga and slept on a mattress on the floor for several (my ascetic) years.

According to SW, gouls don't like chamomile in the blood. 

The articles can be reached from the following link: http://www.stuartwilde.com/Misc/search.asp - then seach for the word 'spider' and you get 4 links.

I've already mentioned in other posts on this site about my son's warts - he's now on colloidal silver. And his nighttime 'dreams'. 

I'm just wondering if anyone here has any insights / experience / ideas as to cause or cure.  Do you think chamomile tea/baths or even the colloidal silver would work.  I wonder if colloidal silver might work - that a silver bullet can supposedly kill a vampire has got to have its origins - even coincidentally - in some fact hasn't it?

I know Stuart Wilde's suggestions are indeed 'wild', but there's a bell ringing in my head that I don't want to acknowledge - but I am open to if it means I can find a cause/cure for my boy hmm.  I'm also open to more mundane/logical causes/cures.  Basically, I want to get to the truth and all can be righted from that. 

I'd really appreciate your feedback on this one.  Thanks everyone. smile

"And your truth will set you free!" Cipher

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift.  The rational mind is a faithful servant.  We have created a society which honours the servant but has forgotten the gift." Albert Einstein

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

You could seek and acupuncturist or a healing tough practitioner, both will tell you about energy flow. At the same time this can be something congenital and your boy could very well grow out of it, they grow out of poorly functioning valves, holes in the heart, asthma, allergies amongst other things.

So I don't know if it would be something to be actively pursuing or just learn patience or anything else. I usually tell parents they need to seek at the very least to ease their own mind.

Tough go though, it's hard to see kids not being able to enjoy creation in their naturally active and inquizative capacity.

Peace,
Teddy

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3 (edited by lyra 2005-02-24 10:02:39)

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

Cipher wrote:

   SW says he's seen children with these 'spiders' when their mothers have had them.  Women are supposedly open to TD attack if they sit unprotected on the floor and do yoga. One symptom is that they get cancer/uterus problems.

Hi Cipher --   I do know what you're talking about in regards to the Stuart / Yoga / sitting & sleeping on the floor claim.   That's one of those claims that I always wondered about, whether it had actual validity.  It just seemed so 'far out" there when I first read it that I was like, Oh come on!   That can't be true.     Especially for us here on this end, since we're kinda "anti-furniture" and try to live lightly, with not too many possessions if possible.....Means, we were sitting on the floor...a lot!    Just a lot of floor contact.   In the end we nervously relented and bought some chairs and stuff to keep us off the floor, doing so with nervous, shifty eyes.  big_smile   big_smile    I think it's because we've read enough Stuart stuff which does have validity that we figured, well, it couldn't hurt.  Let's just get some chairs and stay off the floor, hahn??   hehe   

On a more serious note though, I'm still not so sure about his anti-yoga stance as of yet...he's VERY anti-yoga and makes a lot of anti-health claims about it.      There was a thread relating to this awhile back here at NR if you're interested in reading up on people's opinions on this.   In a nutshell, here are my thoughts on Stuart's anti-yoga thing: (for the record, I don't do yoga)

-  Is it posssible that there are other factors to consider for why yoga practioners have health issues?   Anybody who'd religiously practice yoga is also guaranteed to have other "things" that they're doing, other excersises........and most especially, *diet changes.*   Most yoga people have tweaked their diet and eat differently from the average person..vegetarian, even vegan.  Lotta soy, lotta supposedly "healthy" stuff which may not be healthy at all.    So, that's one factor to consider.

-  If the yoga / floor / ghouls thing is correct, then wouldn't ALL people who practice yoga have issues?  Female and male?    If his claim is correct, then ALL yoga women should develop internal cancer, and all men should as well, in whatever form it manifests with a male.  (prostate, etc.)    Unfortunately, I doubt anybody out there has ever done research to put together actual figures of how many yoga people have developed myserious cancers and other sicknesses.   Would be interesting to know though...

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Stuie fan, so I'm not trying to debunk him or put him down.   But like I said, I did wonder about the validity of the floor thing.   

   


Cipher wrote:

  I'm just wondering if anyone here has any insights / experience / ideas as to cause or cure.  Do you think chamomile tea/baths or even the colloidal silver would work.  I wonder if colloidal silver might work - that a silver bullet can supposedly kill a vampire has got to have its origins - even coincidentally - in some fact hasn't it?

Actually, it was werewolves, but that's okay.  wink   big_smile   Garlic rids the vamps.   Well, about chamomile, all I can say is, it doesn't hurt to try, right?   And about colloidal silver, what is the dose that you're giving your son?  Colloidal is something you don't want to overdo and overuse.   Keep in mind, it works just like an anti-biotic, in the sense that it kills the bad stuff............as well as the good. I know that if I ever use it I make sure to supplement with probiotics to replenish anything good that may have been killed off.  The intestines need the "good flora" to help digest food, and over the long haul, antibiotics deplete that.   So just a head's up on that.    Also, where are you getting your colloidal?   Is it store bought?    If so, then you probably won't have to worry.  Store bought probably means slightly lesser potentcy than homemade, and means you're probably only administering several drops at a time.   When we make it homemade, I just chug it!    big_smile big_smile 

In all seriousness, I don't know if colloidal would be effective for either a heart condition, or ghouls.  Silver again was not used to rid vampires, so if you're going on folklore, then it's based on error.  I don't have any health advise to give, other than to question the floor / cancer link, and to question whether you should be giving your son colloidal.   It seems that you definitely do have some coincidences which indeed match up with stuff Stuart says, but again, I just don't know.   Question everything, look at all possibilities.    And if the prescribed medication for your son does work to rid the attacks, then it seems to me that he should stay on that in the meantime......?    I'm not one to advocate pharmaceuticals, but this is more serious than most issues, because it involves the heart.   I don't think it's masking the problem at all, like you say.  I think it's staving off attacks which sound life-or-death.   Until you can get to the bottom of what's causing this issue, whether it be physical or metaphysical, I think the first priority should be to at least make sure the attacks aren't happening, which the prescribed medicine seem to be effectively doing.

Just some thoughts....

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Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

Hi Cipher,

I've been battling high blood pressure for about 5 years.  Sometimes I go on beta-blockers and other times I've tried all the usual holistic approaches ... acupunture, touch, herbs et al. 

Recently after months of no meds, my blood pressure sky rocketed and I was forced to go back on beta blockers or ... risk a heart attack or stroke.  So, although I'm not a fan of medication neither am I fond of the idea of dying over a "principle".  Seems silly.

However, my plan is and has been to somehow get to the source.  Until I'm able to do that I keep reading/researching. Recently I found Dr. Dean Ornish's book on "Reversing Heart Disease".  Neither me nor your son would technically be considered having heart disease but I felt it was worth reading.

AMAZING!!  I've completely changed my vegetarian diet to a vegan diet and the results are incredible, for me.  Even with the beta blockers if I eat the "wrong" stuff my BP goes up.  So, I'm very hopeful that by following this program for as long as it takes, I'll get off the beta blockers and keep my BP low.  You might want to check out the book.

Also, I have no idea whether this works all the time or anything but a friend of mine a few years ago was getting SVT episodes.  A well known chiropractor who was also her friend was there during an episode.  He put his thumbs in her eyes (closed) and pushed hard (obviously not too hard) and it almost instantly brought her heart beat down and in rhythm.  She would do it to herself when she'd get an episode.  Eventually she stopped having them.

Hope this helps.  Also, I've always found that as long as what I'm taking doesn't interfere with each other ... try everything that seems right to you.

Christine B.

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

Don't know if this will help.

http://www.curezone.com/foods/oliveleaf.html

normalizes arrhythimias (irregular heartbeat)

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

T-Ren wrote:

You could seek and acupuncturist or a healing tough practitioner, both will tell you about energy flow. At the same time this can be something congenital and your boy could very well grow out of it, they grow out of poorly functioning valves, holes in the heart, asthma, allergies amongst other things.

So I don't know if it would be something to be actively pursuing or just learn patience or anything else. I usually tell parents they need to seek at the very least to ease their own mind.

Tough go though, it's hard to see kids not being able to enjoy creation in their naturally active and inquizative capacity.

Thanks T-Ren, I will be looking at the alternative practitioners.  Luke had all the tests possible and they can't find anything physically wrong, so that's a good thing.  That's what leads me to believe it is something that can be 'fixed'.  And yeah, patience isn't one of my strongest points.  roll

Lyra wrote:

In the end we nervously relented and bought some chairs and stuff to keep us off the floor, doing so with nervous, shifty eyes.  big_smile   big_smile    I think it's because we've read enough Stuart stuff which does have validity that we figured, well, it couldn't hurt.  Let's just get some chairs and stay off the floor, hahn??   hehe

Haha, I can just picture the shifty eyes, checking out the corners as you nervously slide your butts onto the ground .... lol  Funny thing is, we had a bunk bed with a desk underneath made about a year ago, so he's as far off the ground for sleeping as you can get.  He's all right as long as there aren't any TDs that slip through ceilings lol

Lyra wrote:

Actually, it was werewolves, but that's okay.  wink   big_smile   Garlic rids the vamps.

Garlic, yes.  But I understood that other ways to fight vampires included (as you say), garlic and wolfbay, holy water, crucifixes, sunlight, wooden stakes, and silver bullets - which as you say are also used on werewolves.

Lyra wrote:

Well, about chamomile, all I can say is, it doesn't hurt to try, right?   And about colloidal silver, what is the dose that you're giving your son?  Colloidal is something you don't want to overdo and overuse.   Keep in mind, it works just like an anti-biotic, in the sense that it kills the bad stuff............as well as the good. I know that if I ever use it I make sure to supplement with probiotics to replenish anything good that may have been killed off.  The intestines need the "good flora" to help digest food, and over the long haul, antibiotics deplete that.   So just a head's up on that.    Also, where are you getting your colloidal?   Is it store bought?    If so, then you probably won't have to worry.  Store bought probably means slightly lesser potentcy than homemade, and means you're probably only administering several drops at a time.   When we make it homemade, I just chug it!    big_smile big_smile

I wondered about chamomile tea bag in his bath - there's no way he's going to drink it!  Maybe I could rub garlic/chamomile into his back. 

With the Colloidal silver, montalk suggested an ounce a day (homemade) to get rid of his warts (he's got heaps).  But I bought my CS and didn't know how the strengths differed, so I'm taking the label's advice of 2 x 1/4 of a teaspoon per day.  I figured, if he's already on it, it might also work for the other things.  I wouldn't put him on any more (chug-wise!!) in case he turns blue. big_smile  He has yogurt each day for lunch, so hopefully that will keep his good internal flora going.

Lyra wrote:

And if the prescribed medication for your son does work to rid the attacks, then it seems to me that he should stay on that in the meantime......?    I'm not one to advocate pharmaceuticals, but this is more serious than most issues, because it involves the heart.   I don't think it's masking the problem at all, like you say.  I think it's staving off attacks which sound life-or-death.   Until you can get to the bottom of what's causing this issue, whether it be physical or metaphysical, I think the first priority should be to at least make sure the attacks aren't happening, which the prescribed medicine seem to be effectively doing.

Just some thoughts....

Yes Lyra, absolutely.  We're keeping him on his medication until/unless the doctor tells us otherwise.  I just want to do everything else I can in the meantime, so that when he does come off it, he doesn't revert - or have another symptom because of something we're suppressing.  At the very least, I don't want his heart muscle to get tired out - its got to last his lifetime! - so yes, we'll keep him on the medication.

And I do appreciate your thoughts smile

Christine B. wrote:

I've completely changed my vegetarian diet to a vegan diet and the results are incredible, for me.  Even with the beta blockers if I eat the "wrong" stuff my BP goes up.  So, I'm very hopeful that by following this program for as long as it takes, I'll get off the beta blockers and keep my BP low.  You might want to check out the book.

Also, I have no idea whether this works all the time or anything but a friend of mine a few years ago was getting SVT episodes.  A well known chiropractor who was also her friend was there during an episode.  He put his thumbs in her eyes (closed) and pushed hard (obviously not too hard) and it almost instantly brought her heart beat down and in rhythm.  She would do it to herself when she'd get an episode.  Eventually she stopped having them.

Thanks for sharing that Christine B., I'm glad you've found something that is helping the BP.  I'll look out for that book. 

He has got a couple of 'exercises' that can revert the SVT, but the episodes were becoming too frequent for us to let him keep having them and that's why we opted for the drug.  He was tired all the time (heart over worked) and basically couldn't really run around with his friends.  But thanks for that anyway, its always good to have a few 'tools' up your sleeve. It's good to hear she stopped having them.  Hopefully Luke will grow out of them too. 

Soloflecks wrote:

Don't know if this will help.http://www.curezone.com/foods/oliveleaf.html
normalizes arrhythimias (irregular heartbeat)

Thanks for that Soloflecks, I didn't know it worked for heart beats although I've used it before for colds viruses.  It was my first thought for the warts but then I came across the Colloidal Silver and thought I'd try that first as it sounds amazing.  But once the CS bottle is finished I'll definitely get a bottle of olive leaf extract (we don't have the tablets in our health food shop) if the CS doesn't do the trick. 

Thanks everyone smile for your suggestions, I've taken them on board and will let you know on this post of any breakthroughs.  Thanks again.

"And your truth will set you free!" Cipher

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift.  The rational mind is a faithful servant.  We have created a society which honours the servant but has forgotten the gift." Albert Einstein

7 (edited by Brad462 2005-05-25 22:21:23)

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

Hi Cipher i just recently got diagnosed with the same thing your boy has.  So hows your boy doing? did the collodial silver thing work?

I went to a endochrinologist and they tested my pituitary gland and found that my body isnt producing enough growth hormone .  So they are thinking my pituitary gland is bad or maybe (Hope Not!) i Have a cyst in my brain or tumor.

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

Brad462, sorry to hear you've got SVT.   At least, you're on the road to finding out the cause of it.  I also hope that it isn't anything for you to worry about. 

The colloidal silver didn't work for the SVT, nor did it help him get rid of the warts that he has on his body. 

Because of the frequency of the SVT episodes, we decided to put him on a simple beta-blocker, which, unlike a lot of drugs, has practically no side-effects and doesn't damage any other part of the body while treating the sypmtoms. 

Mind you, it only masks the symptoms - if he over exercises, he still gets a (much milder) SVT episode.  But at least his quality of life is pretty much as it should be for a six-year old boy!

I'm funding myself to learn kinseiology at the moment.  Its a fantastic diagnostic tool and can determine underlying causes - as well as assist in the releasing of long held emotional/subconscious issues that might cause physical problems.  I've found it has been great for myself along the way, and hope I can use it for my son.

Failing that, I'll take him along to the kinesiologist that treated me!

Maybe that's an option you might consider Brad462, as you might find an underlying cause for the SVT - or lack of growth hormone etc. 

Are they giving you any brain MRI scans or anything to rule out everything?  Please keep posting with your own experience of this, and I will too, if and when I get any further information.

Cipher.

"And your truth will set you free!" Cipher

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift.  The rational mind is a faithful servant.  We have created a society which honours the servant but has forgotten the gift." Albert Einstein

9 (edited by Saracen 2005-05-26 07:56:10)

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

Hello Cipher,

First on the list, Lyra was half right. Silver bullets were for werewolves however folklore holds that vampires are AFRAID of silver. This may tie in with their hatred of mirrors because many mirrors were made with a silver backing.

Regardless, colloidal silver won't do squat for warts. Most warts have a viral cause and colloidal silver is used to kill or control anerobic bacteria. Two different animals there. You might try a crushed aspirin mixed with the white sap from milkweed or dandelion. Put some on a bandaid and put it over the wart for 7 days or so at least.

Now, on to the SVT. Ugghh, this makes me nervous, treating children is a tricky business. First off it would help to know more about his diet. Does he drink diet pop? If so get him off the stuff immediately. This stuff kills perfectly healthy professional athletes then ephedra derivatives get the blame. Damn poison in a can. My mother-in-law drinks tons of this stuff and also has SVT.

Is he thin? If so it may be a side effect of hyperthyroidism or anemia. Low blood sugar will also cause heart irregularities. You might try bugleweed and broccoli for hyperthyroid and just keep him fed with small snacks of good food every 2-3 hours for anemia. Make him eat it, children shouldn't dictate their diet to the parents, of course this doesn't apply to "bad food". My dad always tried to make me eat the fat from my steak/roast beef, etc....He had to have his carotid arteries opened when he was older and died not knowing who anyone was because of "alzheimers". Hmmm....

Finally, the de facto heart tonic herb is Hawthorn. Again, be very careful with this stuff when it comes to small children. I take it all the time for my weak heart and haven't had a bit of problem with it.

Good luck and please be careful.

P.S. If you give him olive leaf extract make sure it doesn't have alcohol in it. This will just aggravate the SVT.

Saracen

"We will not go quietly into the night, We will not give up without a fight...."

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

Hi i can only add a little to other suggestions made on here which are really good IMO.
With regard to the hawthorn use it in a 1x potencty by
diluting 1 part of tincture to 10 parts of water, just make enough for a day so it wont go off. This will contain negligable alchol and can be given at least 5 dops 3 times daily in a very small safe dose.
Alternativley buy it from a homeopathic pharmacy as 1Xx potencyand add the drops to warm water and leave for a while so all the alcohol evapourates.

Breathing look at their breathing and try to make him breathe from the abdomen most people only breathe with the top third of the lungs.

As Saracen says take as  many toxins out the diet as possible and consider detoxing toxins and heavy metals. see the post on fluoride removal for remedies to do this and throughly research dosages.

Make sure he is well hydrated with pure water and consider a supplemnt such as spirulina for its wealth of nutrition and trace elements Co enzyme Q10 is another important enzyme for heart function as are EFAs from the likes of hemp seed oil or Flax seed oil.

Consider zapping rather than colloidal silver, there have never been any reported damage by zapping, i recomend the don croft zapperstyle  as its the most convinient to wear, best pice i have seen is here http://www.orgonise-africa.net/category … tegoryID=2

Many ailments are caused by toxins and parasites including heart problems colloidal silver will probably not remove them all on its own.

Visit a recommended Homeopath who will take the full case history and can prescibe not only acute remedies but remedies based on cause from physical/emotional or miasmatic  aspects.

Be postive around your son, let him know he will get better.

All the best and do let us know how you get on.

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Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

Hi cipher absouletly ill keep you posted smile , I get my MRI done tuesday so not much i can say till then...

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

Thank you everyone, I'm overwhelmed by your replies.  I'm working on it myself - thanks also to those who've e-mailed me ... I'm digesting what you've given me.

I'm also doing a Theta DNA Healing course so I may be more effective myself in looking at the cause and working with Universe to effect a healing.  Will keep you all posted.  Thank you so much for your concern, that is truly appreciated.

Brad462 - how did you go with your test?

"And your truth will set you free!" Cipher

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift.  The rational mind is a faithful servant.  We have created a society which honours the servant but has forgotten the gift." Albert Einstein

Re: My six-year old son's heart problem

So sorry to hear about your son Cipher, and you too Brad  sad

Maybe, visualization to heal the natural pacemaker sites of the heart to work properly, is a pacemaker indicated?  Does he have Marfans syndrome?

Alternative healing methods can and do work many a times, maybe a Native American healer?

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Cayenne pepper in combination with the hawthorn and CoQ 10 is very good. It is good with any supplement or herb. Cayenne acts as an incredible catalyst for nutrients and herbal formulas. Had a dog with congestive heart failure and an irregular heart beat. Healed his heart. There is a lot of info about both cayenne and hawthorn that is amazing. But, cayenne will stop a heart attack in three minutes. It normalizes blood pressure. Hence it also stops hemorraging and external bleeding. Cayenne is most effective when made as tea alone or with other herbs. But, can also be taken with food.
Read any info on cayenne from Dr. Christopher or Dr. Richard Anderson. My wife and I take the cayenne with tea in the morn. About an eighth of a teaspoon. Warms you up helps clear the mind fog and really energizes the physical heart as well as the chakra. You can definitely feel it. I realize it can be intense, but you quickly build a tolerance encouraging higher doses. It is very safe and considering your mentioned alternatives (Cipher) it could be worth a little discomfort. If your child just will not or cannot take it in tea or even in juice, then maybe with food in capsule form. Anyway, my two cents.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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Hey, Barefoot Doc (and all you lovely interested people) - just to let you know that after 6 or so weeks on Co enzyme Q10 plus Colloidal Minerals (daily), Luke's health is getting stronger.

I started him on the above after a pre-summer heat wave triggered his SVT (through the beta-blocker) and not only has he not had SVT again despite humid 38 degrees for what feels like WEEKS cool but also he isn't complaing of being tired and his energy level has obviously increased.  His teacher remarked at the end of term that he had not complained of feeling tired for a month (coinciding with his taking the supplements), which was good third party feedback (and she didn't know he was taking them).

As a bonus, all of his warts (that he had for about 2 years covering most of his limbs and some of his torso), have all disappeared (almost overnight)!

Thought that this was worth posting.

I'm now continuing him on the Q10 and Colloidal minerals.  I'm also considering reducing/stopping his beta-blocker for a couple of days, to see if his heart is settled now. 

Thanks guys. big_smile

Brad462 - how are you getting along?

Cipher

"And your truth will set you free!" Cipher

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift.  The rational mind is a faithful servant.  We have created a society which honours the servant but has forgotten the gift." Albert Einstein