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i think the main thing about anakin transforming to dark side so easily was to show two things:

1) the whole "blinded by love" idea

2) his frustration with the Jedi lack of trust in him

these 2 were repeadetly exemplified in this and the previous installment.

also, i heard a rumor that samuel l jackson has "BMF" engraved on his lightsaber in episode III, tho i wasnt aware of this rumor when i saw the movie, i couldnt confirm this. maybe someone else can.

and lyra, u said u didnt watch clone wars? well u missed out on some good stuff! this clone wars one also came out IN SYNCHRONISATION with the entire "human cloning, lamb-cloning" stuff in real life...

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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**Spoliers**

Maybe it's just me - but I felt Anakins transformation was pretty believable.  The first act of aggression he did was against Mace Windu (Jackson) and after that point he had little choice but to follow along with the Chancleor.  Further attacking Windu was an act of desperation.

Also - the dark side of the "Force" when used, supposedly takes more and more control of the person as they give into their hate.  Anakins fate isn't something we could compair to everyday emotions in any way - only on a surface level.

Lyra; I highly recommened you watch Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi again (Jedi less so), but if you watch these two movies again and look closely at Luke, you will notice that he struggles with exactly the same themes as Anakin.  And regalrds of Kenobi and Yoda telling Luke to stay away from the Dark Side, nevertheless Luke still slowly falls into it.

The key difference being that Luke learns to balance between the Dark and the Light - as you said these are very interesting and relevant themes.  At the very least - take a new look at Empire Strikes Back...

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Marcus wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but I felt Anakin's transformation was pretty believable.

It's not just you. I found it believable. He was truamatized by Mace Windu's death and then the relentless onslought of Sidious was like a
page right out of the master mind control guidebook.


Lyra wrote:

And Darth Sidious.....wow!  Can anybody say "Pope Ratzinger" ??!

So funny. That's what I said to a friend " I don't know about this Pope.
I think he looks like Darth Sidious."

One thing about about Lucas is that he's able to tap into the collective
unconscious way ahead of the curve.

124 (edited by Barefoot Doc 2005-05-22 12:40:35)

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I have not seen the movie yet but hope to soon. one thing i picked up from Phantom Menace was when Anakin is talking to Qui Gon about Midi-Chloreans, at the time i thought this was a metaphor for the mitochondria that i read about in the book "the aids time bomb by Dr John West.

ANAKIN : Master, sir...I've been wondering...what are midi-chlorians?
QUI-GON : Midi - chlorians are microscopic life forms that reside within all living cells and communicates with the Force.
ANAKIN : They live inside of me?
QUI-GON : In your cells. We are symbionts with the midi - chlorians.
ANAKIN : Symbionts?
QUI-GON : Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without the
midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to you, telling you the will of the Force.
ANAKIN : They do??
QUI-GON : When you learn to quiet your mind, you will hear them speaking to you.
ANAKIN : I don't understand.
QUI-GON : With time and training, Annie...you will.

Mitochondria are the spark within the cell that seem to have an independant life of their own and reproduce like bacteria by fission.
The strange thing is how did they originate and are they infact the "god particle" responsible for all living beings. 
Dr John West  says "Microzymas (mitochondria) are the eternal and continual creaters of existence, the singular most important elements in the universe"
He goes on to speculate that they may be the only living in the universe and just grow into animals and plants and humans pathogens etc etc.

If that is true then we are truly symbiants with the midi chlorians in fact we are them. A college lecturer once told us  for every part of you that is you within yours cells there is a part that is not you, though i took no notice at that time.
I came across this web site with regard to mitochondria in connection with the star wars movie.

http://www.theforce.net/midichlorians/midi-what.asp

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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There are pictures posted on the "Pope thread" of the new pope and Darth Sidious (the Emperor) next to each other.  You'll need to scroll down.

http://noblerealms.org/forum/viewtopic. … 98&p=2

In "The Empire Strikes Back" Luke is training with Yoda in the swamp.  One of the things that Yoda says is "luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."

What are these "jedi" abilities?  Telepathy, intuition, the ability to move objects with the mind, the ability to see into the future, the ability to see the past, the ability to see places that are distant, the ability to influence other people's minds through mental suggestion, the ability to move and leap beyond what is normally possible.

Aren't all of these abilities currently present and possible?  Aren't these just the types of things that will be increasing if we really are experiencing a shift into a higher density?


The role of choice is emphasized throughout the Star Wars films.  I think that choice plays a fundamental role. 

Here on this planet in this period, as events continue to speed up and heat up, how will we choose?  I think that deception will play an even bigger part.  I bet we will be presented with a series of false choices.  Perhaps not clear choices between the "light" side and the "dark" side, but instead we may be encouraged to pick the so-called lesser of two evils.

It may be important to step back and consider other choices that may not be so immediately obvious.

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Looks like an interesting movie...

http://images.apple.com/movies/wb/the_i … t_m480.mov

The trailer does it better justice than anything I can write - I would like to hear peoples comments on this though...

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Human cloning.  "They don't want you to know what you are."

The grand experiment.

So what are we?  Besides aspects of the oneness, is understanding that humans are used as energy sources for other beings just one level of understanding?

Is there something else that we are missing in our understanding of the experiment?

Yes, time and space and events can be manipulated.  But what else?  Is there a set of missing pieces to the puzzle?

As we have discussed, maybe movies like this - The Island - are released for dual purposes.  Maybe there is a STO faction that is moving to have more information released in order to increase awareness and there is a STS faction that can't resist the temptation to reveal their plans while at the same time implicitly getting "buy in" from the public through the satisfaction of free will constraints.

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Yes, wandering!

thats what i always thought. "positive" forces influence the making of the movies for pupose of warning/information, while "negative" forces influence the making of the movies so that the public accepts their fate etc...

doesnt that put STO / STS forces side by side, working "together" ?

tricky that question is.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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zonabi wrote:

thats what i always thought. "positive" forces influence the making of the movies for pupose of warning/information, while "negative" forces influence the making of the movies so that the public accepts their fate etc...

doesnt that put STO / STS forces side by side, working "together" ?

Yes, I think that in some cases STO and STS forces are working side by side.  The differences might be subtle, and I don't think that the people or entities generally wear nametags which state their affiliation.

zonabi wrote:

tricky that question is.

Do I detect a bit of Yoda slipping through?  :-)

I think that STO and STS are useful for shorthand and I think that they do describe aspects of our reality.

In addition, I think that there is an integrative approach that can be called "Service to All" or STA.  In fact, Zonabi, I remember you mentioning this topic of service to all.

I think that STO and STS may still be rooted in polarity.  Another perspective may be to take a "nondual" approach where a person's behavior emerges from the oneness and is not trapped in polarity.

This can get a bit slippery, but I think it is a valid concept.  There is no fighting or trying to do anything.  What a person does just happens naturally.  Self-serving entitites are accepted as are other entities that serve others.  All combinations in between are accepted as well.

Similar to a Taoist or perhaps a Zen approach.

Practically, the rest of the world seems to have the effect of attempting to bring a person to the lowest common level.  So the challenge is there until a person is fully able to transcend and live from an acceptance of the oneness.

In Star Wars I-III, the Jedi Council was so focused on the light side that they were unable to clearly see the dark forces right in their midst.

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One interesting thing about Star Wars III was Palpatine explaining how in an effort to be a well rounded person of power one must study not only the light/Jedi use of the force but also the dark/Sith way, as though Jedi and Sith methods were two incomplete halves of a complete whole. I think that is a clever logical fallacy and a common spiritual trap since by definition STO is balance/wholeness and STS is imbalance/imcompletion, and to become a student of both is to taint a balanced wholistic approach with an imbalanced and corrupted element. It's like saying "For a well rounded diet one must include not only the healthy foods but also the worst of the junk foods, otherwise one's diet is incomplete." 

Anyone catch the parallels between Revenge of the Sith and the Templar persecution in the 1300s? Both Jedi and Templars were gnostic knights, both were fighting in distant territory prior to the start of persecution. There is some similarity between the Jedis' relation to the early Palpatine and his predecessors and the Templars' loyalty to the Pope, and funny that the late Palpatine looked identical to Ratzinger (both have nine letters, but that doesn't mean anything...). After the Jedis were nearly wiped out, Yoda agreed that they must disappear and basically initiate a plan until eventually the time was right for their return and a return to balance. Likewise the Templars went underground and according to many sources (like Foucault's Pendulum) initiated a long term plan to eventually overthrow the forces of corruption. Lastly, Anakin was rejected from becoming a Jedi Master and this played a part in his carrying out the eventual persecution of the Jedis, and likewise it was Prince Philip the Fair who once tried becoming a Templar but was rejected and later brought about their persecution. (Anakin and Philip both have six letters, but that doesn't mean anything...)

[As for STA, doesn't that mean serving all by serving self? For instance: removing yourself from the games played between "lightsiders and darksiders" and just focusing on your own evolution which, via the Law of One, in some way benefits everyone's evolution.

STA would make perfect sense if the definition of STO and STS were similar to the Jedi/Sith duality Palpatine talked about or the definition Matrix V gave regarding the entertaining polarity between light and dark.

If you go by the Cass/Ra definition of STO, however, STO already qualifies as service-to-all since STO is beyond playing games and serves both self and others by serving self through serving others. If an STS being properly asks, STO gives, showing that pure STO does not take part in the duality.

I think the whole "battle between STO and STS" factions may actually involve entities who are neither 100% STO or 100% STS and are in training to become purely one or the other, but the training involves testing themselves through what we perceive as battles over balance and freewill vs deception and control.

Perhaps it's the halfway STO-wannabes-who-are-still-STS (myself included) who get involved in the polarity games because they serve a purpose in polarizing one completely toward balance (STO) or completely toward imbalance (STS). But that would illustrate shortcomings of incomplete polarization rather than of any particular Path itself.

Except for Yoda and the discarnate Obi Wan and Quigon, the Jedis seemed for the most part to be incomplete STO candidates still in training -- Yoda was wiser than the rest, so even among Jedi Masters there is difference in purity. I think that explains why they did not see evil in their midst, and why they're always running around slicing things up. That says more about their personal shortcomings and allegiance to the Republic than imperfections in the Jedi Way itself.]

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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wandering1 wrote:
zonabi wrote:

thats what i always thought. "positive" forces influence the making of the movies for pupose of warning/information, while "negative" forces influence the making of the movies so that the public accepts their fate etc...

doesnt that put STO / STS forces side by side, working "together" ?

Yes, I think that in some cases STO and STS forces are working side by side.  The differences might be subtle, and I don't think that the people or entities generally wear nametags which state their affiliation.

zonabi wrote:

tricky that question is.

Do I detect a bit of Yoda slipping through?  :-)

I think that STO and STS are useful for shorthand and I think that they do describe aspects of our reality.

In addition, I think that there is an integrative approach that can be called "Service to All" or STA.  In fact, Zonabi, I remember you mentioning this topic of service to all.

I think that STO and STS may still be rooted in polarity.  Another perspective may be to take a "nondual" approach where a person's behavior emerges from the oneness and is not trapped in polarity.

This can get a bit slippery, but I think it is a valid concept.  There is no fighting or trying to do anything.  What a person does just happens naturally.  Self-serving entitites are accepted as are other entities that serve others.  All combinations in between are accepted as well.

Similar to a Taoist or perhaps a Zen approach.

Practically, the rest of the world seems to have the effect of attempting to bring a person to the lowest common level.  So the challenge is there until a person is fully able to transcend and live from an acceptance of the oneness.

In Star Wars I-III, the Jedi Council was so focused on the light side that they were unable to clearly see the dark forces right in their midst.

I haven't seen episode III yet, so I may be way off but judging from the I-II it sounds like the light side suffers from serious hubris and becomes limited like the STS in how they can only see the options that they're aware of.

Other than that, your thoughts on STA do resonate with me a lot. I think that the long term view is that everything is STA, just some are more aware of it than others. If one could go with the idea that if the STO/STS interactions were equivalent to computer software, then STA would be like the hardware. A major difference between STO and STS is that while the STS try to cheat this system, the STO exists exclusively within it's parameters. It's amusing, because in the short run it's much easier to acquire power by going the STS route over the STO one, but eventually everything catches up with you and once you pass that specific threshold, the reverse is true.

If to streach out on where I'm going, it's to say that there's a level beyond the competition for resources that is characterized by what we define as STS interactions. Either that or it's a level where the STS collectively recognizes that it has reached the extreme limit of it's development, is still lacking what they seek, and must find some other way to exist. I think it's at this time that STA makes it's move to integrate STS who will eventually choose the path towards STO by harnessing their energy into STA.

Still another way to look at STA would be that it comprises of all the things that aren't self-aware yet. Rocks, Rivers, Trees, Insects, Fish, Bacteria, Planets, Stars. Everything.

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You make some interesting points about episode 3 Tom. Palpatine has always made my skin crawl, especially when in the previous film where he says "I love democracy" with his aristocratic english accent.

One quote from episode 3 that resounds in my head was where Padme says something along the lines of "and they all applause as they willingly give up their liberty" as Palpatine presents his solution to the problem.

Also, I recently rented Resident Evil. In my readings over the years I have become aware of many occult and secret societies' symbols, there are of course the ones you see every day, and there are the ones which you could just about make a hobby out of spotting in films.
At first I assumed that there must be alot of directors, scriptwriters and production designers who belonged to 'special clubs' and this was how these details made it into films. I have worked in the film industry, and I know that virtually EVERY seen in a film is there intentionally - however it has occurred to me that the intention may not always come from the artists, it perhaps comes through them from the collective subconscious or elsewhere. [ I have a friend who recently chose a logo for a new company which is an illuminati-related symbol, however he is not one of them. I feel this illustrates my thought about these things coming out unintentionally simply because people are bombarded with symbolisms they do not know the true meanings of.]

Anyway, back to Resident Evil. It describes perfectly the Dulce Base scenario. The first time I saw the film a couple of years ago I was terrified that such a place might exist, until I remembered that far worse places actually exist.

I watched the special features and wondered if the production designer knew that he had designed a beautiful marble bathroom with a black and white masonic tile layout, in a roman mansion with a large dome roof at one end?
Maybe, maybe not, but whoever chose mar1lyn man5on to score the unbelievably dark soundtrack must have been up to something.

Thanks for listening to my rant. I feel better now!  =]

"Would it help if I got out and pushed?"

"It might..."

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Oops, above that should read ...virtually EVERY DETAIL seen...

"Would it help if I got out and pushed?"

"It might..."

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Still another way to look at STA would be that it comprises of all the things that aren't self-aware yet. Rocks, Rivers, Trees, Insects, Fish, Bacteria, Planets, Stars. Everything.

exactly. service to ALL things in the universe and beyond.

if u ask me, this whole light vs. dark stuff is getting quite old to me. maybe its because we've gone thru it so many times, life after life after life , that im growing tired of it.

i feel that theres got to be some kind of intergration formula that resolves this issue.

but then i think, "well, is this how the universe is supposed to be? opposing forces constantly conflicting?" and for a second i believe that maybe it is supposed to be like that.

but believing and feeling are quite different, and your feelings are always right.

if the first level of "the game" was to break apart and multiply into possibilities, then the last level ought to be to come together and re-integrate back into a more complete whole. (meaning with the experience of all the possibilities)

hmmmm, ive strayed from the topic. tsk tsk

z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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I've printed this before in this forum but I think Story Waters makes a good statement about STO/STS in his book The Messiah Seed, which is definitely worth purchasing in my opinion.

Messiah Seed 52
All

Messiah, know that the mass shared dream can only be realized by your own realization and living of your soul dream. This is the case, no matter what your soul dream is, even if on the surface it appears that your dream is at odds with the mass. Realize that your dream fits perfectly into the mass dream. As you start to live your dream, so you will start to see its part in the overall harmony and motion of the All. You are harmonious with the All, whether you can see it or not.

Know that even those that appear to be purely of service to themselves are being of service to the All. The distinction of service to Self and service to others is an illusion. All service is service to the All. All action is an action for the All. All love is love for the All. All hate is hate for the All. All all is for the All.

To see this is to see that you are free and in a state of limitlessness. To see this is to be without restriction. To see this is to be free from fear. It is to know that all action is right action. Let go of the 'what ifs' for they are hypothetical projections and not reality. Look at your now. Look at the choices on your plate in this moment and know that you can make whatever decisions you want. Realize that, whatever you decide, will be perfect for All and not just for you. Embrace this freedom and know that, even if at this point you are not yet ready to act, then that is right action also.

Realize that just as the deepest desires stem from the desire for limitlessness, so the root of all fear is fear of freedom. In limitlessness there is no plan, no God to rule over you; no necessity for consistency and no direction that is best to follow. There is only your will, and from your will you form all that you experience. Trust your Self to give your Self love and know that all will be loved by that love; all will be freer as a result of your freedom.

http://www.limitlessness.com/seed/index.cfm

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