Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Yes, I agree, it isn't anger yet.... and that was my point.  Let's nip this in the bud as the frustrations were piling up.   Perhaps Jazzpen is doing the best he can with what he has so far and putting him on the defensive serves nothing. In all fairness, the Casseopeans aren't that easy to understand either.  We all have insights from on high that we can share - especially in this day and age where the veils are thinning. 

Perhaps what is frustrating is the idea that this is another soapbox.  After all, those at NR probably wouldn't take it lightly if someone came in and started preaching hellfire and brimstone. Perhaps this remotely sounded like that.

Wandering1 thanks for those two links.

Enlightenment happens!  Attachment to the ego-self leads one into delusion; but faith in one's Buddha nature leads one to enlightenment.

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Jazzpen wrote:

>>I am able to see now what is meant by the 'one'. When a group of beings, whether it be 2or3 or a couple of billion, come together in a united desire for freedom, under the protection of the love vibration, then they form one consciousness. In a very real sense they are One, yet they retain their individual forms which, to me, is having the best of both Worlds, so to speak. As One they protect and care for each other.>>

Thanks, Jazzpen, you describe your revelations beautifully, and the following should really make you happy:

http://www.newsforthesoul.com/icke-may9-2005.htm
This is David Icke at his best; he's talking of his new book which covers the mechanics of the Matrix....it's so brilliant, I almost cried as if I already knew it! 

I, too, feel blessed to have witnessed this 'time' of awakening, and feel privileged to share thoughts with like-minds as yourselves.  Yes, slowly, we seem to be returning to The One...

Divinity
======

138 (edited by Jazzpen 2005-05-18 20:15:22)

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Divinity'
           I wrote my departure post last night and its going up after this one to you
   To me, being human on a doer level is of the highest value. In a very true sense it is the least that ones such as us here together on the forum can do, I believe. I have said what I came here to say and I can't justify it to myself staying on any longer.

   It doesn't mean that I am quitting, it only means I am branching out. Not that I need to speak to you of these things since you know them to be true as much as I. I do love being able to. So this is hardly goodbye is it since we will come together again, soon no doubt. It is, after all, a small child of Reality that we hold in our hearts, as yet. A very beautiful one.
                                    Jazzpen

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

OK, Jazzpen, sometimes words just can't convey how we feel so I will send you an etheric hug and wish you well on your way.   I, too, remember the beauty and I can feel it so close, now, with every connection we make with each other.  It's such a strong bond of love, without silly attachment or soppy emotions.  It's love in its purest form.


Having listened to David Icke talk of the matrix, I feel packets of DNA firing off inside me!  I have also concluded that it's o.k. not to feel human, not to 'do' ...it's o.k. just to be.  Because while I'm listening to the space between my thoughts, I'm actually witnessing or observing my conscious awareness in action.   Where I am now is the point I've been waiting for,  for SO long ........and I know I couldn't have reached that point without the sheer and utter strength of what's behind the matrix, and that's Unity Consciousness.

Be free and happy,
love,

Divinity
-------

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Jazzpen wrote:

Let us imagine, just for a moment, that planet Earth is, and has been for many millenia, used as a place for the farming of human beings. We can relate to this because we ourselves breed and rear cows, pigs, etc to eat.


Why are you offering us to use our imagination?

  Supposing several of the planets in our solar system were likewise used as farms, in a far distant past, one by one, until each became so denuded of energy resources that they had to be abandoned and pushed out of the way.

So what happend to these energy sources that caused them to denude? How we're they used up. What were these energy sources?

   Earth, let us imagine, has almost reached its use-by-date, and so all the factions who have 'shares' in planet farm Earth are preparing for the final and last harvest, due to take place 122112.

Too much imagining, supposing, and again imagining. It's obvious you're trying to build up to a climax with the "oh what's going to happend next" in order to capture the readers attention by using mysticism.

   Let us suppose that the farmers have become so expert in the breeding, gene manipulation, and over-all control of humans that we remain completely ignorant to what is going on. We can relate to this also because is not the sheep in the paddock placidly eating grass totally ignorant to the fact that it is soon to be slaughtered, stripped of its skin, sliced, diced, packaged, sold and eaten?

   We say, oh but the sheep has no soul, it is not conscious like we are etc etc little knowing that on another level we are no different.

Wow so mind expanding I would have never looked at it as if WE were the experiment. First off tell me what "THE breeding" is, breeding of what. please don't tell me human/alien hybrids I can just go read David Icke for that. Do we really say the sheep has no soul, who says the sheep has no soul? So we are no different from the sheep because the farmers are assuming that we are not conscious. But if the farmers were really watching/observing us and seeing that we are doing the same thing they are to us that we are doing to sheep then maybe they would think for a moment maybe the humans are conscious but then are we, the farmers, really conscious? Are we, the farmers, being "farmed"/manipulated too?!? OMG

   Let us imagine that much of the disheaval going on in certain areas of the world is owing to the fact that the 'shareholders' are making their preparations to shift to the next planet, the one that has been undergoing incubation for the past few miilenia, Venus. Each wants to be first off the block following 122112 because whoever gets there first will be the next 'Landlord'. This time round it was the Pleiadians who ruled the roost, so to speak. The Orion faction don't intend to get to Venus second and they are playing a dirty tricks campaign in an attempt to slow down the Pleiadian faction in their own preparations for a quick departure.

Again, more imagining. I don't keep up with what goes on around the world too much so let me know what this disheaval is and how it is related to the 'shareholders' preparations. Which preparation are you talking about? OOHHH you say the one that has been incubating for the past few milenia OOOHH that one I though you meant the other.... yeah Okay now we're on the same page LMAO

   Departure is set for the period around 122112. A portal will be opened that will allow the Predators to depart Earth and enter Venus. A temporary energized time-line will be available using geometrical calculations made for them by the original Maya who were among the races of human beings who inhabited Mars before it too had been raped, polluted and drained of all its natural energy resources.

So far we have 'farmers' , 'shareholders' and now 'predators'. One question here is why are the Maya opening a portal for the predators? If the maya were among US human beings why are the Maya allowing the guys who F'd up the planet to leave to go eF up another planet? So that leads me to ask whose side are the Maya on. Whose side are the predators on? Who ARE the predators? Who are the "original" maya anyways did you throw that word of description in there to give yourself some more leeway for more BS? I especially like the first word you used to describe what happend to MARS it was 'RAPED' sounds fear injecting I guess this is what is going to happend to Earth.

   In return, the Maya were brought to Earth by the Pleiadians and were allowed to live in peace for a long period until the Maya came to see that they were living in a world of illusion. They came to see that all the human races were actually being controlled, deceived and manipulated, and for the most horrendous of reasons.

How did the Maya come to see that they were living in a world of illusion surely you can elaborate the story behind that since you seem to know so much background information on all of this other "stuff". The Earth wasn't very populated then so HOW were the maya able to see that *ALL* the human races were controlled too?

   This was then that the Maya turned to the sun because they had nothing else they could turn to. They alone were living with the most awful knowledge imaginable concerning their fellow humans.

   They decided that since it was obvious that the sun sustained all of life maybe they could atune themselves into that life-sustaining energy and learn how to us it to protect them.

   It is no coincidence that almost all of the ancient civilizations 'worshipped' the sun. What else did they have? What other hope was there for them once they had learnt the terrible truth of their lives.

I think there is A LOT more to life than the sun so it's not all that depressing as you make it sound. Also, the Egyptians worshiped the sun because they thought it wouldn't rise the next day if they didn't worship it. The sun is still rising and now and almost NO civilizations worship the sun as of today. The sun is one of many stars in the universe so why worship one particular star? It is true that the sun is vital for life on earth but my question is, what is vital for allowing even the stars and the planets to be here? What is that greater force, is it not God, the One, the universal mind?

   The sun. The Maya approach to the sun was simply to extend their hearts out to it. It wasn't hard to see that the sun had forever been the true benefactor of human kind. Maybe in their hour of greatest need the sun would save them.

   They atuned their heart-beat vibrations to the rays of the sun and allowed their deepest desires and fears to travel back into the heart of the sun itself.

   There are those who work on behalf of the predators with absolutely no conscience at all, being aware as they are of what is actually going on. There will be a select few travelling to Venus as guests of the various predator factions in reward for their loyalty. The bulk of the humans destined to initiate future 'herds' on Venus will be defence-trained mentality types, both men and women. They will do as they are told without question as they are trained to do. They will be the 'root stock' of future Venetians.

   Just imagine that.

   Nothing will survive upon Earth. By the time the Predators have 'cleaned up', Earth will be as barren and ugly as Pluto and will have been pushed away from the sun to make way for incoming Venus. Earth will take up orbit somewhere in the dead wastes of outer space.

   I say it once again: The sun is the only true friend we have.

Well, that's your opinion. If this is going to be a persuasive essay here don't place opinions in it.

   The sun holds the key that will save anyone who sincerely wants to be saved. Choose now: Predator reality or Human reality.

And now to sound really desperate you try making us CHOOSE, not tomorrow not next week but NOW!!! and i dont even know what those stupid choices mean. What's the key of the sun that is going to save us anyways?


   All the Maya, through me, are here to help you. Trust us. We mean you no harm. We too are humans. We might exist on another dimension to you but we have not forgotten you at this time of your greatest need.

If you too are humans then why are you again on december 21st 2012 allowing the predators to escape through their "Energized time-line portal" Are you friend or foe mister maya?

   Feel outward with your hearts, you will feel our presense there with you. Fear not for we are all united in courage. Our own courage is also yours.

          reach out! to the sight of the sun
          and the sun will reach out
          at the sight of you

THAT IS SO CORNY
   
It is better to risk perishing in the sight of the sun than it is to die at the blade of the knife.

Okay I'm done ridiculing this person. I know exactly what his reply would be if he does reply. "Your words speak as your actions for we will no longer be with you in your heart I am just a messenger focus on the message."

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Sorry about that not too good with the quoting lol just do your best to pick out what I wrote and what jazz wrote

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Sad..... so sad.

Enlightenment happens!  Attachment to the ego-self leads one into delusion; but faith in one's Buddha nature leads one to enlightenment.

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Why the need to ridicule at all? There's no need to judge here. People's words and actions will speak for themselves. "By their fruits you shall know them." Is it not easy enough to just ignore if you don't find resonance within another's words?

Speaking of the sun, I can see how it would be an extremely benevolent entity, metaphysically speaking. Metaphysical concepts are reflected quite literally in our physical realm. Just as a black hole can be seen as a representation of STS, with an inward flow towards self and absorption of light; a star can be seen as a representation of STO, pouring outward light and heat. The light and heat produced by burning hydrogen and other gases are life-giving forces that keep billions of entities alive. Just as our planet entity Earth/Gaia/Terra is our home and provides for us, Sol provides for us in basic ways that we often take for granted. I for one am very thankful for that, although I wouldn't go as for as worshipping the sun as a god. But just for a moment you can see how the sun is a source of love and light.

144 (edited by wandering1 2005-05-20 23:01:56)

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

seeker wrote:

Why the need to ridicule at all? There's no need to judge here. People's words and actions will speak for themselves.

I agree.

seeker wrote:

Is it not easy enough to just ignore if you don't find resonance within another's words?

In some cases, yes.

However, leaving the specifics of this particular example aside, I suggest that with regard to this forum and similar forums, if we tend to remain silent and ignore material that we don't find resonance with, then there is a strong possibility for disinformation and partial truths to cloud and obscure the process of uncovering accurate perceptions of the situations facing us.

Therefore, I think that there is a place for openly stating one's opinions and asking relevant questions, rather than ignoring and looking away.

145

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

seeker wrote:

Speaking of the sun, I can see how it would be an extremely benevolent entity, metaphysically speaking. Metaphysical concepts are reflected quite literally in our physical realm. Just as a black hole can be seen as a representation of STS, with an inward flow towards self and absorption of light; a star can be seen as a representation of STO, pouring outward light and heat. The light and heat produced by burning hydrogen and other gases are life-giving forces that keep billions of entities alive. Just as our planet entity Earth/Gaia/Terra is our home and provides for us, Sol provides for us in basic ways that we often take for granted. I for one am very thankful for that, although I wouldn't go as for as worshipping the sun as a god. But just for a moment you can see how the sun is a source of love and light.

OK...a few years ago I wrote a poem/song called Star of the Sea, and Jazzpen's ideas and your reflections above reminded me of it.  So, while I am not one to share my poetry at the drop of a hat, here 'tis:

STAR OF THE SEA

Star of the sea,
shining on me,
you show my way.
I pray to be
one with you,
bright and true.

Star of the Sea,
embracing me
with love and light,
hear my plea
this lonely night,
help me see,
set me free.

Star of the sea,
you call to me
when cold winds blow,
when clouds obscure
your sparkling glow,
help me endure,

help me know you are there,
guiding me,
every day, everywhere,
bright star of mystery,
star of the sea.

When waters churn
threatening to overturn,

help me know you are there,
guiding me,
every day, everywhere,
bright star of mystery,
star of the sea,
bright star of mystery,
star of the sea.

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

You're right it's not the nicest thing to do to ridicule someone, it's not something I do normally. But I don't like when someone comes on here thinking they can take advantage of the matephysical topics on this website. It's not so much the information or story that bothered me but the attitude this person came on here with.  Most of us here are smart and wise enough to sense BS I just felt I would exploit it a little more.

147 (edited by wandering1 2005-05-20 23:47:07)

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

What word is similar to ridicule?  How about ridiculous?  Of course, I suggest that we treat each other well.

I say we heal this situation.  Heal as in "holy" or to make whole.

I suggest that is already is healed.

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

I consider the Sun to be absolutely wonderful. In fact, I've been writing a paper on what's including ancient sun-worship. And I really try not to see a conflict here. I think it's OK to adore the sun. You really don't have to worship it though. I doubt the Sun will save my ass. But those warm days in the spring, sun's shining, birds singing, trees're getting green and yatta yatta...well, that's the music of the spheres if you ask me:) The sun can inspire you to feel warmth inside instead of focusing on the heat outside, but that doesn't mean you should pray to it. The Sun is just as desctructive as it is vital to life. That's just how it (nature) works. The ancients knew about this, and it's encoded in the 666. E.g., the babylonians worshipped Nergal, who represented the sun and death at the same time, and the phoenicians worshipped Moloch, and sacrificed humans to him. Maybe the same principle is behind the mayan sacrifices, to reveal the darks side and the bright side of the sun. In ancient Greece, the gorgon represented the destructive side of the sun. 


The point is, that in gematria, the 666 number of the sun always should be balanced with the other side of the spectrum, sometimes expressed as 1080, representing the Abyss. 'Cause equally important as the Sun is the Earth and the darkness! (I didn't say evil, I said darkness) This beautiful pearl floating in KosMos, that for so many reasons seems to be in a really bad shape. I wonder how much of the New Age "Ohh, our Earth is in a really bad shape, but she will just take a cosmic shower to get rid of the dirt (i.e. the eeevil aliens/guys) and she'll step out of the shower and say 'hey, look at me, all clean and shiny again!' "
I know that if I were the Earth, I would probably be pissed by now...


It is sometimes a very hard thing to balance between scarying people and "enlightening" them. Saying that "all is fine" on Earth right now would be, in my opinion, basically a lie. That doesn't mean we're all in a doomsday big shit to come-scenario, either. I really do not believe that the 2012 will be that a big thing. Doesn't mean that the years to come aren't important; on the opoosite! But these are important YEARS, not just A year when everything will turn inside out, turn to Ze-Ro or inverted or whatever.   

In fact, I'm so boooored with that date. Damn! All the new age-crap I'm been reading about this silly date just... oh, well. Never mind. But this thing could just as well be someone who's trying to massprogram every "seeker" out there and lock on to a specific date, for a certain reason. I guess we'll have to wait and see for ourselves. There are soo many theories about this, and probably a few might be true, but most of 'em are surely crap. It's nice if we are indeed aligning towards the Centre of the galaxy or whatever, which we can prove astronomically I guess, but does that mean everyone will just wake up feeling warmth in their hearts one morning in december 2012? Sorry, but I doubt it. For all the nice Harmonic convergence and all this global mediation stuff... How far has that taken us? Praying to Jesus and the space bros' won't save our environment, or reform the educational system or make our food stuffed with less chemicals...   

I think the mayans knew alot. No doubt about it. But so did the ancient egyptians and sumerians and even the greeks and a lot of other folks, who probably didn't care about that date. And, whose knowledge is gone nowadays, along with the people. 
It doesn't really matter. The thing is, knowledge alone isn't gonna solve it this time around. We knew alot back in the atlantean days, and yay, that turned out reeeally great, didnt' it? wink

And though the messianic stuff tastes really sour, I respect anyone who has a message to give to others, that they feel is important. Doesn't mean I agree with everything, but that's not the important thing here. The important thing is: were do we agree? What can unify us? 

I would like to modify the:
"Feel outward with your hearts, you will feel our presense there with you. Fear not for we are all united in courage. Our own courage is also yours.

...to:
Feel with Your hearts; You will feel the Presense there with You. Fear not for we are all united in Truth and Love. That truth and love is for ever Yours!




Well, some thoughts...

take care everyone! smile

/Solar Sphynxie

"...Manjushri said: 'I think that when you can[not] speak of any event, when you neither indicate nor know anything, [and] pass beyond questions and answers, this is to enter gate of oneness. Sir, now please tell us how a bodhisattva enters the gate of oneness.'
And Vimalakirti kept silent, and did not say a word..."

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Not all cultures worship the sun as a benevolent protector. Consider the outlook of a nomadic desert people, and see the things they have to say about their sun-deities.

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Here is a post I received from ECETI.  It has some relevant info regarding the Sun.

There are many who believe we are it, alone on the surface at the
whim of nature to do as she wishes. The collective consciousness and
nature interact, one affects the other. This has been demonstrated
on Coast to Coast with the mass mind experiments creating rain and
diverting hurricanes. One thing people forget is every time we have
gone to war we have experienced some of the most severe storms in
history. There is a definite connection between the collective peace
of mind and weather. There are many stories of great masters of
every culture calming storms, it was their peace of mind amplified
and sent forth that created the effect. There is a science to this
yet it is a book in itself.

Edgar Cayce once said there is a direct connection with the sun and
human consciousness. When the sun goes ballistic with coronal mass
ejections and flares the weather follows suit. Could the chaos and
unrest of humanity be connected to the unrest of the sun? If
everything is connected and we live in a sea of consciousness a
unified field this all makes sense. If we limit ourselves to test
tubes and beakers it is far out. Einstein said there is nothing
faster than the speed of light. This is incorrect, thought travels
much faster than the speed of light and it is the next step up in
the vibrational continuum.

What does this have to do with those on the interior? They also live
in this unified field. They share the same air, water and feel the
vibrations of the surface dwellers. Atlantis and Lemuria were not
legends they were history. What is left of two great civilizations
moved into the interior during the cataclysms and joined an already
existing race of beings which were much more advanced. They
continued in their evolution enhanced by the spiritually and
technologically advanced race which granted them sanctuary. Since
these times other races have joined those in the interior from
different star nations. Many of the UFOs or advanced craft are
coming from the interior. They are scout ships often surveying the
damage of the surface dwellers.

When I was working with the Tibetan Foundation we were doing out of
body travels. For those who do not believe in out of body there is a
wonderful picture on my website in my bio showing me actually
leaving my body, www.eceti.org   We took a trip to the inner Earth.
I was met by a very small man along side of which were giants, ten
to 12 feet tall. I thought in my mind what a cute little guy. This
was met with a projection of his mind which gave me an instant
headache bringing great humility. I realized he was in charge. He
had a message. He was very firm and intense concerning the message.
He said they were very concerned to the point of taking action with
the surface dwellers. Our atomic testing and wars have fractured the
crust. The energy released in such an explosion has to be sent back
through the crust in order to sustain the Earth. It is like a
drinking glass or window.   If you hit it with the same force over
and over it will eventually shatter due to stored energy. This one
of the sources of the earthquakes we are experiencing.

The Earth is also overheating and expanding due to the sun cycle and
the green house effect. He was also very concerned with what we are
doing to our water, particularly the oceans. The streams, rivers,
lakes and oceans on the surface are connected to those in the
interior. We also share the same air. What we are doing on the
surface is impacting their world and they are very upset. They have
met with our government which is very aware of them and it was to no
avail I know our group was not the only ones that have had this
experience. Top officials have had physical meetings on the same
subject. There is much more to the Admiral Byrd story and his
journey than has ever been told. This will all be made known in the
very near future. Our off world visitors will also make themselves
known. Despite our attempts to poison, rape and destroy life on the
surface they are still trying to help us in the days to come. There
will be an exodus to safe areas; communities will spring up that
want to live a more spiritual wholesome way of life in harmony with
nature coming together inspired by dreams, feelings and an inner
knowing. The Earth will go through a transition, those who follow
their inner guidance and flow with the inspiration will fare well.
There is much more to the story. Stay tuned
James Gilliland www.eceti.org.

As to Jazzpen and others, my feelings were that poor Jazzpen had some info to communicate but just didn't have the right approach.  We could have all been fine with it I think, but when he came across as "we'd better listen to him or else", that is where the frustrations started.  Then he was not able to tell us what we asked, and he was put on the defensive.   No one likes being told, and some like it less than others.  I for one was interested in the thread and was able to set aside those things that didn't resonate for me.  I thought maybe they would later, or not.  Oh well, there will be more like Jazzpen I'm sure.

Enlightenment happens!  Attachment to the ego-self leads one into delusion; but faith in one's Buddha nature leads one to enlightenment.