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Thank you freeme,
                              No, it is not another trap, I give you my life assurance on that. I may be a bit of a bungler but the message is genuine. I understand your scepticism and everyone else's and I can only say that time will bring clarity.

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Jazzpen wrote:

Love is, and has always been, the only way to human spiritual evolution. And it shines down upon us from above. The reason we don't appreciate this is because we are not in tune with the living sun. The Matrix was created for the sole purpose of keeping us all out of tune and it has been very successful.

And is very successful in keeping us out of the sun.  The 9-5 workday, the propaganda about the sun's dangers. I like what the Pleiadians said:  "We say the sun is grand. Trust that no one made a mistake when they put the sun in the sky." big_smile

I agree it's very important to get sunshine.  I go for daily walks in nature and I sungaze as much as possible.  (No, it's not harmful, in fact it has a healing effect on the eyes). Of course, it's possible to overdo it, gotta use common sense.

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Divinty,
            You say nothing that I don't wholeheartedly endorse. I'm not a blind person stumbling about in the dark creating illusions in my head. I am doing this, this way, because it has just as much hope of getting through to many people as any other way.
   The Matrix is a web with each thread an energised line connecting everything and everyone. It is a creation, it isn't a 'thing in itself', it has to be constantly maintained and updated to operate efficiently. Within the next 7 and a bit years it is going to disolve and all those people who have chosen, in disregard of what myself and some other's are saying, to accept and work within the Matrix are going to find that suddenly they don't have a reality anymore. They will be completely lost. This is why I am doing what I am doing now, trying to prepare people for the inevitable.

   My 'AIM'  is honorable. My methods are, I admit, a little blunt and I guess a lot of those bright bulbs out there are upset that I have the hide to tresspass into their realm and would like me to go away. I am certainly seriously contemplating doing that.

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Jazzpen wrote:

Thank you freeme,
                              No, it is not another trap, I give you my life assurance on that. I may be a bit of a bungler but the message is genuine. I understand your scepticism and everyone else's and I can only say that time will bring clarity.

The truth is that you might even believe this message too. With that in mind, it's an easy thing to wager your own life, but are you truly prepared to take on real responsibility for another life? Think carefully before posting if you choose to answer this simple question.

That's why I like to say "that's true too"

What this means is that what may be true for one person may not be true for another even if they see/experience the same thing. For one who claims to be as enlightened as yourself, you should know this. 

But beyond all this, the fact remains that you still haven't provided any additional insights to some of the very legitimate questions posed by some of the others.

When words and actions are in conflict, believe actions. When actions are deliberately repeated, consider that it may be a part of a larger pattern.

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you know, i always liked staring into the sun smile

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Jen,
         Do I detect a positive note?
         I suggest you actually reach out to the sun with your deepest thoughts and feelings. Develope your own personal friendship with the sun. Allow it to be your confidante, your one certain contact that lives beyond the entrapments of the Matrix.
The sun is alive, is all-knowing, and is on our side.

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zonabi,
             I suspect that is where your inspirations originate from.

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A thought:
What about reaching out to both the Sun and the Earth at the same time?  Why limit this to the sun?

Regardless of cataclysms here, that just sounds like a fine idea to me.

Kathy

Never Give Up!

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Gibble Tronic,
                      Arn't you just the 'wise' one.

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wandering,
                Thankyou. All your points are valid. I am not perfect. I am aware that my writing comes across to some people as being negative, arrogant, crude, contradictory, secretive, what else? grandoise, questionable....but at the end of the day you don't have to read it. Its like the tele, no-one stops you from simply turning it off. If you could see your way to reacting to what I say in a positive way then you might be surprised by what you learn. As it is your perceptions are colored by your bias towards me. Forget me, I don't matter. Try it, just for a day even.

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Jazzpen wrote:

wandering,
                Thankyou. All your points are valid.

Ok.


Jazzpen wrote:

I am aware that my writing comes across to some people as being negative, arrogant, crude, contradictory, secretive, what else? grandoise, questionable

Even though I did write grandoise and questionable, the word that I am most concerned with on that list is secretive.  We deal with plenty of far-out topics on this site.  At first some of them may seem grandiose or questionable.

But through a process of open communication and sharing of experiences what may at first seem unlikely may end up being very possible.

Perhaps if you would reveal more about your experiences, you would be able to address the questions that some of the people here, including myself, are asking.

I'll make it even easier.  How long have you known that you are a Mayan?  Have you known this since birth?  Did you discover it during childhood? As an adult?  Perhaps you are a walk-in?

Jazzpen wrote:

....but at the end of the day you don't have to read it.

No I don't have to read it.  But I do have an interest in maintaining the integrity of this site.  There are few forums like this that I know of.  In fact, this is the only forum like this that I know of.

I think that it is a wonderful place for learning and discussion.  I want to keep it that way. People here  deal with plenty of unsavory topics on this site.  But it tends to be done in an open way that supports open communication.

Jazzpen wrote:

If you could see your way to reacting to what I say in a positive way then you might be surprised by what you learn.

I can see how you might perceive me as being negative.  I wonder how many other people here share that perception? 

Jazzpen wrote:

As it is your perceptions are colored by your bias towards me. Forget me, I don't matter. Try it, just for a day even.

I have a bias toward open communication.  If you are going to make bold statements, then I am simply suggesting that you back them up with something other than evasive responses.  If you were sincere, I think that you would be more direct.  I imagine that you would view this as an opportunity.

Do you feel like responding to my questions?  How about about shooting star's questions?

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Jazzpen wrote:

Jen,
         Do I detect a positive note?
         I suggest you actually reach out to the sun with your deepest thoughts and feelings. Develope your own personal friendship with the sun. Allow it to be your confidante, your one certain contact that lives beyond the entrapments of the Matrix.
The sun is alive, is all-knowing, and is on our side.

Well, I don't know if the sun is our one certain contact.  I think nature in general is very beneficial.  The Pleiadians material emphasizes the importance of spending much time in nature and I agree.  I  feel people spend way too much time indoors, and we're not meant to live like that. We need the sun, the sky, the wind, the trees, the grass, the sight and sound of the birds, and I don't think we ever outgrow our need to go outside and play.

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Jazzpen wrote:

Allow it to be your confidante, your one certain contact

Final thoughts:

Why externalize? The real sun is within.

Excuses to seek salvation outside the Self is what all rigged religions and manipulated belief systems have in common.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Jazzpen wrote:

The Matrix is very alarmed at this present time because it realises that it's power source is not replenishing it sufficiently in order to maintain control over all of us. It is being forced to expend vast resources keeping tabs on the doings of everyone that it considers potentially dangerous. It is specifically looking for one individual and because it cannot figure out who that one person is it has to presume that it could be any one of several million and so each has to be given the same degree of constant scrutiny and 'attention'..

Jazzpen, could I ask you how you know this?  Do you have guides or can you feel/see what is going on at the Matrix level?  Do you have any idea who this one person could be? 
It's interesting because this notion could have been programmed into our DNA as the 'waiting for the Saviour syndrome'; in other words, we have a knowing that arrival of the Saviour means the Matrix WILL self-destruct when it was no longer necessary?




Jazzpen wrote:

The Matrix is a web with each thread an energised line connecting everything and everyone. It is a creation, it isn't a 'thing in itself', it has to be constantly maintained and updated to operate efficiently. Within the next 7 and a bit years it is going to disolve and all those people who have chosen, in disregard of what myself and some other's are saying, to accept and work within the Matrix are going to find that suddenly they don't have a reality anymore. They will be completely lost. This is why I am doing what I am doing now, trying to prepare people for the inevitable.

   My 'AIM'  is honorable. My methods are, I admit, a little blunt and I guess a lot of those bright bulbs out there are upset that I have the hide to tresspass into their realm and would like me to go away. I am certainly seriously contemplating doing that...

Please don't go away...it's refreshing to be able to discuss this objectively.  People who are highly aware are generally highly sensitive (this forum is very advanced, spiritually).  We are never all going to agree on everything, but we should be able to toss ideas around without being offensive or taking offense.  If WE can't do this, then who, on the planet, can?  There is no chance for unity or education, if we can't accept each other.

I absolutely welcome what you are saying about reality being lost, which is why I feel privileged to have discovered the Illusion at this stage.  Maybe we can help those who don't see it as an Illusion yet, with the transition. 

You have a right to your opinion and  I'm sure Montalk wouldn't think you were stepping on anyone's toes.  So press on, yes?


Divinity
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wandering1 wrote:

Do you feel like responding to my questions?  How about about shooting star's questions?

I'd say you've got about as much chance of getting a straight answer out of Jazzpen as you have of getting eaten by a reptile on 2012. wink

Andy

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