Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

shooting star wrote:

Jazzpen, how do you know what you know? Since when did you know that you are part of the Mayans? What experiences drove you to this conclusion?

I second this.  Again, if there is no more time for secrets then I can imagine that you will not have any issue with directly addressing these questions.

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Divinity wrote:

Week after week, I have been meeting - through various synchronicities - happy, middle-aged men who are married, compassionate, worldly, gentle, people.....three recently on separate occasions:  people who were charity or freedom workers, who have actually physically improved lives in third-world countries.  They were all units of 'love' and unity rather than dogma/separation.   Question is, what are they teaching me?

Perhaps that it is actually possible to live and work well within the Matrix and make a good difference? Could be that the universe is nudging you to become more open to this, because your nurturing and loving spirit is much needed here.

Love,
Jen

93 (edited by Jazzpen 2005-05-15 18:39:34)

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Divinity,
               Yes, I refer to the actuall energy control system which manufactures an illusion reality that we are trapped in. The matrix itself was constructed and is held in place by what I call the Predators. That seems to me to be the most apt term for them.

   Please don't opt out, at least, not yet. Stay, until you are able to make your free choice about escaping the predators forever. The way for us all is about to dawn.

   The matrix has tried every way possible to trap me. At times it succeeded, albiet briefly, for it is indeed extremely clever and cunning. It knows the human condition inside out. It susses out an individual's weakest area and attacks it through manipulation, fear, deception - any means it can to debase the soul and enforce control.

   Whatever it touches upon it corrupts and debases spiritually. Sex is a case in point. It always amuses me that so many 'enlightened' people believe that these crass predator beings are from a higher spiritual dimension than we. But this is what one must cope with.

I have a Predator reality identity just as we all do except to a large degree I am free of its clutches. Nevertheless I must survive and the Matrix has become so all-encompassing that some connection is necessary. I don't mind, it no longer bothers me. I can usually spot an incoming attack before it hits.

  I suspect we all need you to be with us, particularly so when one reflects upon the human challenge ahead.

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Gibble Tronic,  So you want to play at 'saviour' and warn everyone away fron the 'evil' Maya. That again, is your free choice. We hear you loud and clear.

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shooting star, we see
                        then we know

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Impatiens,
                  we hear you loud and clear.

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Barefoot Doc,
                         
                     Your questions were answered. Thanks for your notice.

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wandering1,
                    I am simply the messenger. If you need something to focus on then
I suggest you look at the message.
                 
                     How do I know what I know? I know because I have the eyes to see.

                     How do I know I am Maya? In the same way that you know you are an Earth-bound human being.

                     What experiences drove me to make these conclusions? You, or shooting star, might like to rephrase that, as it is it makes little cogent sense to me.

99 (edited by wandering1 2005-05-15 23:24:48)

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Jazzpen wrote:

I am simply the messenger. If you need something to focus on then
I suggest you look at the message.

Ok.  Your core message appears to be one of fear-inducing doom.  Most of humanity is going to be eaten by Reptilian aliens. 

In my opinion, your other main message is something about the sun being a key to saving ourselves.

You do write well about the matrix and about humans being farmed.  These topics have been written about by many other people as well and they do not seem to be the unique part of your message.

Although you have shared some information about this, you seem to continue to be reluctant to share specific information about your background and how to came to have the ideas that you have.

Montalk pointed out that you could have been manipulated, and I think it is a healthy sign that you are at least willing to consider that possibility.

Jazzpen wrote:

I too am learning and I feel bad about the way I have been bungling my way through this. I have no experience of acting out the stern, serious, dire, type but how else am I going to rattle people awake.

This also, may be a very healthy admission. 


Barefoot Doc wrote:

posted a few previous interesting threads to make out how "wise" they were and try to impress then dropped the big one in which was planned all along.

Whether intentional or not, I think this is how the message was delivered. 

Jazzpen wrote:

What experiences drove me to make these conclusions? You, or shooting star, might like to rephrase that, as it is it makes little cogent sense to me.

Another evasive statement.  You claim to be one of the only Mayans on this planet and to be tapped into a Mayan ancestor consciousness, but then when asked a simple question about why you think this, you claim to not be able to understand the question.

You approach seems to be that when people don't agree with you, or simply want to get more information, you are prone to evade the question, offer a very general and vague answer, or exclaim that they have chosen "Predator Reality."

I still cannot tell whether you are sincere and trying to shed some light and look for solutions or whether something more negative is happening here.  In my opinion, your overall evasive style is not helping your case.

Are you able to imagine how it might appear as grandiose and questionable to other people to have someone state that they are one of the only Mayans on the planet and they are connected with the ancestor consciousness, and that's really all they can say about it?

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One mistake that I have made is to dwell too long in the negativity; got too close, too absorbed in the the negative agenda; trying to understand, to figure out what could be done. 

I have also had some really nasty visions.  In June 2002 I saw a city being destroyed by a nuclear-like weapon.   I instinctively responded by going 'up' and begging whoever would listen to stop this.  My political science brain went through all the likely consequences of such an action.  After several hours of this requesting help, I suddenly got the feeling that the incident would be stopped.  I have done this several times, I believe.  At first I wasn't even sure any of it was real, but then a couple days later it was announced that someone had been caught with a dirty bomb. 

I recently went back and researched some of the news at the time.  Turns out that this was announced on June 10 2002, which puts it the day before 6/11, and nine months after 9/11.  The guy they caught was actually caught a month before, and he has neveither been tried nor released.  If we consider that the elite get their news in code from the media, it looks like there is a real possibility that my vision and my subsequent feeling that it would be stopped was real.  But I don't know for sure.  There have been others as well, like the Seattle vision http://www.stuartwilde.com/Visions/SW_v … attle.htm, which was talked about here.  That timeI 'looked' and 'saw' people trying to run away and serious mayhem.  I did the same thing I did before, this time also requesting help from the residents and also sending calming energy to the region.  I did some calculations recently and the date would have been on 11/6 and 1131 days from 9/11.  Not proof, but suspicious. 

But the point is, if your vision and your information is correct, there still may be a lot more that can be done at this level and others.  I am still learning too.  But it would help a lot if you could reveal more about your sources.  Do you have documents you could upload, books ? Describe more about your Mayan contacts? I presume you have done a geneology search?  What you are describing calls for a lot more investigation.  If you have already done this, it would help to share it.   What if the 'solution' you have been presented with is another trap?

Kathy

Never Give Up!

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Mayan culture is fasinating apart from the human sacrifice.

Maybe JP is referring to a time before about Mayan enlightenment and the human sacrifices came later.
As JP is touch with the Maya consciousness perhaps they can shed some light  on this issue.
I don't believe all i read about history so would welcome any info.


http://www.crystalinks.com/mayangods.html

http://www.hanksville.org/yucatan/sacrifice.html

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Ok, jazzpen, in clear English. When did you first 'HAVE THE EYES TO SEE', that you came from the Mayans? WHEN did you begin to experience the flow of information? WHAT makes you different to everybody else?... Simple questions. AND ONES THAT HAVE TO BE ANSWERED IF YOU WISH TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS!! Get rid of the mystery! And bring on the honesty! AND THEN WE MIGHT START LISTENING! X

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Thank you Jen, I see that,  but my present circumstances preclude me from doing such great charitable deeds as these men have achieved over decades...I'm sure they are all within me, a creation, because they describe the very things I would like to have done with my life.  Instead of philosophising, these guys actually lived and worked at making the world a better place.  I suppose they epitomise the type of human I would consider to be 'A1', and have renewed my faith in the human spirit.

Hi Jazz - funny, I don't see Predators or Beings in charge of the Matrix;  I see it more as a force which, when you try to shrink from it, it pulls you back!!! 

When you realised and remembered about It, did your life change?  Mine did, big-time.  Up until then, I had been a love'n'lighter, all peace and mung beans.   At that time, my life had considerably improved because my inner world became enlightened.  Then I started to investigate the dark forces, which were frightening, but always was the remembering/knowing that I was eternal and infinite.  The next stage, however, is what I would call the final stage in this reality:  the knowing none of this is real.  (No, the final stage is when my body actually believes it!  When I can thrust my arm into the wall, LOL without the need for a plastercast!)

Since this awakening, I have created very little of substance in my life; it's all pretty static and peaceful, apart from the odd glitch.  I think that's because my desires have shut down.  I long for peace, freedom and tranquility for myself AND all beings here, and I know I will never witness that, although sometimes I feel the world is changing dramatically and love is driving it, from so many one-to-one interractions, charitable institutions, contemporary thinkers in governments, people becoming more self empowered and caring, nations at  least wanting to live in peace, etc.

I do not want to witness any more grief or sickness on this planet, and that goes for humans, animals and flora! 

Above all, I can't check out yet because I have people rely on me.  So, what I know I need to do is master the RULES of the Matrix:  become a driver rather than being driven, create the things I want; not react to the things that happen.   Although I have a great affinity with the future, as if my life here is obsolete, I tend to think I've had to live THIS life in order to remember where I really am.   Possibly, this is the only reason I am here and the single most important thing I've ever learned or remembered.

I hear from many people that the matrix is breaking down or as you say, the way for us is about to dawn, but how do you truly know this?  Perhaps our mass quantum thought is making this happen? 

Jazzpen wrote:
>>>The matrix has tried every way possible to trap me. At times it succeeded, albiet briefly, for it is indeed extremely clever and cunning. It knows the human condition inside out. It susses out an individual's weakest area and attacks it through manipulation, fear, deception - any means it can to debase the soul and enforce control.

   Whatever it touches upon it corrupts and debases spiritually. Sex is a case in point. It always amuses me that so many 'enlightened' people believe that these crass predator beings are from a higher spiritual dimension than we. But this is what one must cope with.>>>

This is such a good description!!!  I suppose one of the keys to unlock ourselves from the effects of the Matrix is to own and take responsibility for all our experience;  in other words, heal the weaknesses in our own subconscious so that we become inpenetrable fortresses!  I presume the Matrix is like the Bogie Man; all shadow and no teeth....you only get bitten when you feel it's possible to get bitten?!

You have a Predator identity, Jazzpen?  I suppose anybody who consumes has, to some extent.  It's so important when we learn the lesson of Allowance....to allow, permit, enable, others to be free of our judgement or will.  Within the matrix, there is no doubt that what we give out, we get back.  So to be free we have to allow freedom for others, I know that one. 

I can only be free from the clutches of the Matrix when I have rid myself of the programmes, the triggers, when my cage can't be rattled, until IT can no longer squeeze me into a corner, of poverty or lack or ill health or negativity!

Looking around, we can see how the Matrix encourages reaction and participation:  through anger, despair, outrage, sadness.  When we detach and see it for what it IS, it's easier to refuse to play.

A great friend of mine, who contributes to this forum, helped me to see this so clearly today, and for that, I thank her!

Freedom to all,
Divinity
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Sorry,  forgot to add: 

Have you noticed that the Matrix rewards those who play within its rules, and it 'punishes' those who refuse?!

All experiences welcomed,

D
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The mummies of Ancient Egypt and of other bygone civilizations are the actual bodies of humans who successfuly merged their spiritual beings into the rays of the living sun. They live still, in a reality that you cannot comprehend, far removed from the one you have now.

  Many of these spiritual beings are, paradoxically, remote, or at best they keep to their kind. This is because they achieved transformation alone or in pairs and they tend to remain that way in the spiritual realm.

   It was the Maya who discovered that an entire body of individuals united in a single desire could achieve transformation together. Many Maya were eaten by the predators but just as many escaped and this is why they live even now, as spiritual beings in the World of Maya. 

   How could love in its highest form be anything less that ecstacy? I don't just mean sexual ecstacy, there are many ways human beings can experience ecstatic love although sexual is undoubtedly the most potent. But my point is, if love lives, and of course it does, then it follows that it must live in ecstacy because they are the same.
Therefore, the love vibration is equal to the vibration of ecstacy.

   Once we come around to accepting this we are able to go further.

   Human beings who come together in a united desire to evolve spiritually are able to merge their united Being into the vibrations of the sun while experiencing states of prolonged ecstatic love, because the living sun itself IS ecstatic love.

   This is the key to the mysteries of the sun and indeed to life itself. It opens the door that allows entrance into the highest realms of spiritual existance, not to mention Eternity.

   It follows, also, that the opposite of ecstatic love, panic-stricken terror, leads one through an opposite doorway.

   Thus it is better to risk perishing in the sight of the sun than it is to die at the blade of the knife.

   Love is, and has always been, the only way to human spiritual evolution. And it shines down upon us from above. The reason we don't appreciate this is because we are not in tune with the living sun. The Matrix was created for the sole purpose of keeping us all out of tune and it has been very successful.

   Until now. Because NOW you KNOW.